LIZ PEEK: Herschel Walker just wrote Donald Trump's political obituary

[roamer_1]

Pro-abortion, union leader who called union membership ‘One Of The Most Elemental Human Rights’ seems pretty liberal to me.  But, changed his mind later in life.   

Out of his own mouth, many times, he was never for abortion. You have bent this subject before, and you still ain't right.

And union in the 60s and 70s was not the problem that it became soon after.
So you are incorrect in that as well.

But I will note again your apparent need to tear down the old man to make your clown look good... The same old man y'all stole your very slogan from.

[Hoodat]

Every 'conservative" politician and leader who took the stage after Reagan.  Prove me wrong.

Ron Paul, Tom Osborne, Jack Kemp, Joe Hawley, Rand Paul, Malcomb Wallop, William Roth, Thad Cochran, Jesse Helms, Ted Cruz, . . .

[Right_in_Virginia]

But I will note again your apparent need to tear down the old man to make your clown look good..

I'm not tearing down anyone ----- I'm simply pointing out that some of the most committed and effective conservatives are those who are born again.

On abortion, Reagan had a born again moment, and as I've said, good for him. -------

Reagan would publicly declare that signing the 1967 Therapeutic Abortion Act was a “mistake” and that he supported overruling Roe v. Wade. Apologizing for his part liberalizing abortion laws in California helped establish Reagan’s reputation as a father of the modern anti-abortion movement—and helped him win the 1980 Presidential election.

https://time.com/6047987/peanuts-history-reagan-abortion/

[Hoodat]

I'm not tearing down anyone ----- I'm simply pointing out that some of the most committed and effective conservatives are those who are born again.

Do you think Trump will ever be born again?

[Right_in_Virginia]

Ron Paul, Tom Osborne, Jack Kemp, Joe Hawley, Rand Paul, Malcomb Wallop, William Roth, Thad Cochran, Jesse Helms, Ted Cruz, . . .

Now name an acomplishment associated with his name.

[corbe]

   That union statement was made by Reagan when he was Union leader of SAG (Screen Actors Guild), 50's.  The first thing he did as President was bust the ATC Union.  The first thing Trump did was let hellary skate prosecution.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Do you think Trump will ever be born again?

How long were you in a coma?

[Right_in_Virginia]

   That union statement was made by Reagan when he was Union leader of SAG (Screen Actors Guild), 50's.  The first thing he did as President was bust the ATC Union. 

The strength of the born again illustrated, yet again.

[Hoodat]

Now name an acomplishment associated with his name.

• Increased the national debt by $8 trillion in only four years
  
  
• Provided Planned Parenthood with a record $2 billion in taxpayer funding over four years
  
  
• Handed control of our economy over to the NIH and FDA.
  
  
• Couldn't get a wall funding bill through Congress
  
  
• Appointed the head of the GOP-Establishment as his Chief of Staff.
  

Oh, wait.  Those were Trump's accomplishments.

[corbe]

The strength of the born again illustrated, yet again.

   You misquoted me, again @Right_in_Virginia

The first thing Trump did was let hellary skate prosecution.

[Hoodat]

I'm not understanding how someone here can condemn Conservatives while at the same time trumpeting Trump as the second coming of Reagan.

[corbe]

   I'm probably going to get in trouble for this one.

[Hoodat]

   I'm probably going to get in trouble for this one.

Not with me.  Your post is spot on.

[Right_in_Virginia]

   You misquoted me, again @Right_in_Virginia

The first thing Trump did was let hellary skate prosecution.

I just removed your bitter spam ---- because even you know the DOJ is independent.  Or are you now saying all presidents should abuse their power as Biden does?

[Hoodat]

I just removed your bitter spam ---- because even you know the DOJ is independent.

Nonsense.  The Department of Justice is part of the Executive Branch, which the President heads.  He also gets to pick the Attorney General.

Or are you now saying all presidents should abuse their power as Biden does?

Enforcing the law is not an abuse of power.  No one is suggesting that Trump do what Biden does.  No one.

(See logical fallacies:  red herring)

[corbe]

 

[Right_in_Virginia]

I'm not understanding how someone here can condemn Conservatives while at the same time trumpeting Trump as the second coming of Reagan.

I'm not condemning conservatism.  I'm assessing the crop of post-Reagan self-identifying conservative leaders to be useless losers ----- unable to win because they fold to any headwind,  lost the government and adjunct agencies to socialists on their watch, and have yet to convince the American people they're capable of more than talk and worthy of their vote.

One proven exception:  Rand Paul.

As for Trump ----- I think he accomplished more in four years, vis-a-vis;  global trade, American economic security, secure borders, defunding abortion, the federal bench, stopping globalist creep, rebuilding our prestige than RR accomplished in eight.  ------ 

[Right_in_Virginia]

(See logical fallacies:  red herring)

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[Hoodat]

I'm not condemning conservatism.

Is this your post?

At some point @Hoodat  ardent conservatives are going to wake up to the fact that they are viewed as useless and have been replaced with Patriots.

I'm assessing the crop of post-Reagan self-identifying conservative leaders to be useless losers -----

Ah, so the goalposts have been moved.  So now it's not 'Conservatives', but "self-identifying conservative leaders".  Speaking of "self-identifying conservative leaders", that certainly does not include Trump since he doesn't ever self-identify as a Conservative, no matter how much his supporters insist he is one.

----- unable to win because they fold to any headwind,  lost the government and adjunct agencies to socialists on their watch, and have yet to convince the American people they're capable of more than talk and worthy of their vote.

So basically, your concern has nothing at all to do with a philosophy of running the country successfully, but instead centers on winning elections.  Democrats think the same way.

One proven exception:  Rand Paul.

He was pointed out earlier, which you chose to ignore.  So tell me what it is about Rand Paul that you consider to be exceptional in regards to Conservative governance?

As for Trump ----- I think he accomplished more in four years, vis-a-vis;  global trade, American economic security, secure borders, defunding abortion, the federal bench, stopping globalist creep, rebuilding our prestige than RR accomplished in eight.  ------

At a cost of $2 trillion in new debt per year over four years.  Printing up $8 trillion in new money to fund government is not my idea of economic security.  And $2 billion to Planned Parenthood is not my idea of defunding abortion.

[Hoodat]

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If you insist.  Your post was both a logical fallacy and BS.

[Sighlass]

At some point @Hoodat  ardent conservatives are going to wake up to the fact that they are viewed as useless and have been replaced with Patriots.

[roamer_1]

I'm not tearing down anyone ----- I'm simply pointing out that some of the most committed and effective conservatives are those who are born again.

On abortion, Reagan had a born again moment, and as I've said, good for him. -------

    Reagan would publicly declare that signing the 1967 Therapeutic Abortion Act was a “mistake” and that he supported overruling Roe v. Wade. Apologizing for his part liberalizing abortion laws in California helped establish Reagan’s reputation as a father of the modern anti-abortion movement—and helped him win the 1980 Presidential election.

    https://time.com/6047987/peanuts-history-reagan-abortion/

Again, your ignorance is showing. As I have told you before, Reagan ALWAYS was pro-life. The Therapeutic Abortion Act was designed to severely curtail abortions in California. Every abortion required a 10 doctor panel to review and approve the abortion as being medically necessary. The mistake was in not predicting that liberal doctors would use the 'panel' to rubber-stamp abortions willy-nilly.

Look it up. I ain't wrong a whit on it. And I am sick and tired of correcting you on it again and again.

REAGAN WAS ALWAYS PRO-LIFE.

[roamer_1]

I'm not understanding how someone here can condemn Conservatives while at the same time trumpeting Trump as the second coming of Reagan.

Especially when painting Reagan in a foul light in order to make the clown car look brighter. 

[Smokin Joe]

Understood @Smokin Joe   

But, stop the clock at 1988 ----- and one finds the blueprint for advancing conservatism as a national political platform where it sat untouched ---  until Donald Trump dusted it off and brought back "Make America Great Again" to patriots waiting decades for it.

Post-Reagan conservatives still think they know better.  It is why they are unsuccessful.

Reagan was moderate enough to appeal more broadly, I get that. But kindly keep in mind that if/when the political pendulum swings back from loony-land, the keepers of the flame of original Constitutional intent will be the Conservatives. That the principles embraced by Conservatives seem "extreme" is only a measure of how far this nation has strayed from that original intent, the Constitution, and Mr Franklin's Republic, which, as a nation, we have not kept.
The thought that the reason that Conservative principles seem so "extreme" is that the Media, educational system, and publishers have waged war on those principles since WWII (and even before, but more subtly) and have managed to move the perception of 'normal' so far to the left. Consider the things that are commonplace or actively spoken about in the public fora which would have brought obscenity charges in the 1960s, and you may get a feel for just how much of a change has transpired. The stake of Conservatism didn't move, the social tide went out. It will come back.

[Bigun]

Nonsense.  The Department of Justice is part of the Executive Branch, which the President heads.  He also gets to pick the Attorney General.

As long as he picks someone the senate will approve. Certainly not anyone who might upset any apple carts. @Hoodat