House passes sweeping reform bill to decriminalize marijuana

[bigheadfred]

I'm late to this thread, so there's upwards of 100 replies....

I think this is a necessary step, not because I approve of Marijuana, but because there are a lot of states that have legalized weed.  The Federal law and the laws of the "several states" are in conflict, resulting in people being prosecuted and imprisoned despite State laws to the contrary.

It's a States Rights issue, subject to the 10th Amendment.

What about interstate commerce? Fed regs?

[Cyber Liberty]

What about interstate commerce? Fed regs?

People who farm MJ in California for their "medicinal marijuana" dispensaries have been arrested and jailed, even though the dreaded weed was only distributed in California.  there was no "interstate commerce involved.

[roamer_1]

Yeah, I recall when a 'nickel bag' was a full ounce. The really, really, expensive stuff was $20, and those who bought such swore if it wasn't good enough to make them forget any idea of kicking the seller's ass, the seller would be in trouble.

But the run of the mill weed in those days smelled different and hit a person differently. People goofed off laughing for hours on it. Today's (and back then, the high priced stuff at $20/oz) "Skunk weed" (if not doped with skunk urine) was 'two hit sh*t' that pretty much that had people nodding (that didn't seem like my idea of fun).

I haven't touched any of it since long before I quit drinking, and that's been over 30 years.

I am rather happy to have grown up in the country... Of course we had the perennial temptations of drinking and wild women... Honkytonkin and tail-gating out on a bonfire somewhere... A little bit of weed and a little bit of amphetamine (a lot of my friends were the kids of truckers/loggers)... But that was about it. In the meantime, the townies had every depravity of pharmakopia at their immediate disposal. That 'gateway drug' thing is a true thing.

But that was a generation before meth hit country like a freight train.

[bigheadfred]

People who farm MJ in California for their "medicinal marijuana" dispensaries have been arrested and jailed, even though the dreaded weed was only distributed in California.  there was no "interstate commerce involved.

My Humboldt apologies. Thanks for the clarification.

[roamer_1]

I'm late to this thread, so there's upwards of 100 replies....

I think this is a necessary step, not because I approve of Marijuana, but because there are a lot of states that have legalized weed.  The Federal law and the laws of the "several states" are in conflict, resulting in people being prosecuted and imprisoned despite State laws to the contrary.

It's a States Rights issue, subject to the 10th Amendment.

That's right. But it would be better if the problem wasn't there at all, like it was before. There would be a whole lot less heartache. But writing that into law - especially federal law - has not been fortuitous.

[Cyber Liberty]

My Humboldt apologies. Thanks for the clarification.

LOL!

[Cyber Liberty]

That's right. But it would be better if the problem wasn't there at all, like it was before. There would be a whole lot less heartache. But writing that into law - especially federal law - has not been fortuitous.

Yup.  Worked as well as Prohibition, with lots more people in jail. 

[DCPatriot]

Yup.  Worked as well as Prohibition, with lots more people in jail. 

IMHO,...okay, not so "humble"... the federal government's current involvement will see MJ end up being taxed similar to gasoline.

They merely want to dip their beaks too!

[roamer_1]

Yup.  Worked as well as Prohibition, with lots more people in jail. 

It was probably this issue more than any other that taught me the value of federalism, with my more libertarian friends having won that argument outright. And thus I have moved myself even more to the Right.

[Cyber Liberty]

It was probably this issue more than any other that taught me the value of federalism, with my more libertarian friends having won that argument outright. And thus I have moved myself even more to the Right.

It also taught even more people disrespect for the law.  Just like Prohibition.  Dodging the Revinooers became a game, it even led to NASCAR.

[libertybele]

IMHO,...okay, not so "humble"... the federal government's current involvement will see MJ end up being taxed similar to gasoline.

They merely want to dip their beaks too!

Well, there's that and then there's also the fact that there are many people using medical MJ to soothe their ills and no longer use prescription drugs which in the long run could crush big pharma and all the pill pushing doctors. Lots of revenue being lost.

[DCPatriot]

Well, there's that and then there's also the fact that there are many people using medical MJ to soothe their ills and no longer use prescription drugs which in the long run could crush big pharma and all the pill pushing doctors. Lots of revenue being lost.

It's all about the 'Benjamins'!   

[roamer_1]

It also taught even more people disrespect for the law.  Just like Prohibition.  Dodging the Revinooers became a game, it even led to NASCAR.

Having a good part of that built into me, both in family and culture... I would say that's right.


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[libertybele]

It's all about the 'Benjamins'!   

Exactly!

[txradioguy]

It's all about the 'Benjamins'!   

And it's also what's driving people from Blue states to Red ones.

[bigheadfred]

Having a good part of that built into me, both in family and culture... I would say that's right.

My mom's dad was always bitchin bout the revenooers. I can tell why. Man could make clear shine.

[Smokin Joe]

I'm late to this thread, so there's upwards of 100 replies....

I think this is a necessary step, not because I approve of Marijuana, but because there are a lot of states that have legalized weed.  The Federal law and the laws of the "several states" are in conflict, resulting in people being prosecuted and imprisoned despite State laws to the contrary.

It's a States Rights issue, subject to the 10th Amendment.

Then the FDA should be reduced to testing for purity, and no substance should be Federally controlled. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say the Federal Government has the power, except to provide for standards of weight and measure. Definitely not to regulate what people take by any means. (Goodbye Federal tobacco laws, too).

Of course, the Feds tie funding to what they want, and states roll over like gutshot hyenas...

[roamer_1]

My mom's dad was always bitchin bout the revenooers. I can tell why. Man could make clear shine.

'Revenuers' is still a very legit term in my culture's lexicon. There ain't a redneck boy I know, not a one that doesn't know that term and what it means.

But them same redneck boys were standing with the bikers right behind the line of sheriff deputies when the Antifa/BLM came through here... So it ain't about lawbreaking... weird, huh?

[Smokin Joe]

It also taught even more people disrespect for the law.  Just like Prohibition.  Dodging the Revinooers became a game, it even led to NASCAR.

Where I grew up, and later, where I went to college, being said to be able to "drive like a bootlegger" was a compliment to your skill.

[Smokin Joe]

Anyone remember Paraquat?

Yep. It made California grass.

Before that (pre-paraquat) Mexican was fine enough that "Acapulco Gold" was a standard.

[bigheadfred]

And it's also what's driving people from Blue states to Red ones.

Which, for now, cabinetry is booming here. Lead times have doubled.

[bigheadfred]

Yep. It made California grass.

Before that (pre-paraquat) Mexican was fine enough that "Acapulco Gold" was a standard.

"Tops from Oaxaxa".

[libertybele]

Yep. It made California grass.

Before that (pre-paraquat) Mexican was fine enough that "Acapulco Gold" was a standard.

...hmmm ....some things tend to escape my memory, but I do remember "Acapulco Gold". 

[bigheadfred]

...hmmm ....some things tend to escape my memory, but I do remember "Acapulco Gold". 

But not the Cuervo...right? 

[Elderberry]

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-116hr3884rh/pdf/BILLS-116hr3884rh.pdf

(d)  RETROACTIVITY.—

The  amendments  made  by  this section  to  the  Controlled  Substances  Act  (21  U.S.C.  801  et  15seq.)  are  retroactive  and  shall  apply  to  any  offense  committed,  case  pending,  conviction  entered,  and,  in  the  case of  a  juvenile,  any  offense  committed,  case  pending,  or  adjudication  of  juvenile  delinquency  entered  before,  on,  or  after the date of enactment of this Act.

CANNABIS PRODUCTS.—On cannabis products, manufactured in or imported into the United States, there shall be imposed a tax equal to 5 percent of the price for which sold.

CANNABIS PRODUCT.— ‘‘ IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in paragraph (2), the term ‘cannabis product’ means any cannabis or any article which contains cannabis or any derivative thereof. ‘‘

EXCEPTION.—The term ‘cannabis product’ shall not include any medicine or drug that is a prescribed drug (as such term is defined in section 213(d)(3)).

MANUFACTURER OF CANNABIS PRODUCTS.—

‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—Any person who plants, cultivates, harvests, produces, manufactures, compounds, converts, processes, prepares, or packages any cannabis product shall be treated as a manufacturer of cannabis products (and as manufacturing such cannabis product).

EXCEPTION.—Paragraph (1) shall not apply with respect to any cannabis product which is for such person’s own personal consumption or use.