A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking

[Bigun]

That's a great one too.  Is that the Witherspoon who's signature appears on the Declaration of Independence?

Most certainly!

[Bigun]

Are you kidding me?   I am not saying or endorsing a vote for dims in any form or fashion.  I AM SAYING THE INSANITY OF MASSIVE TRILLION $ SPENDING SPREES MUST STOP!!!! 

Is that concept too hard for you to understand?, and why are you so supportive of Trump supporting your tiny little outlay (/s) of a $1T?
All you free spenders are alike.  Taking us off the fiscal cliff with glee.

It will NEVER stop until such time the we once again have a currency backed by something real.  Monopoly money is a great description of what we have now.

[skeeter]

Are you kidding me?   I am not saying or endorsing a vote for dims in any form or fashion.  I AM SAYING THE INSANITY OF MASSIVE TRILLION $ SPENDING SPREES MUST STOP!!!! 

Is that concept too hard for you to understand?, and why are you so supportive of Trump supporting your tiny little outlay (/s) of a $1T?
All you free spenders are alike.  Taking us off the fiscal cliff with glee.

I’ll respectfully pose to you this question - Since we all agree DC in general is responsible for this decades old over spending problem, and we all agree that the president, although he has made more of an attempt to curtail spending than most presidents, like those other presidents he ultimately folded and signed these budgets and thus shares some responsibility - what can be gained by reaming him on the subject four months before such a critical election? And what do we stand to lose?

[catfish1957]

It will NEVER stop until such time the we once again have a currency backed by something real.  Monopoly money is a great description of what we have now.

And why Gold is in the next few minutes likely to touch $1,900 /oz. for the first time in history.  It's all lining up for the cards to fall.

[catfish1957]

I’ll respectfully pose to you this question - Since we all agree DC in general is responsible for this decades old over spending problem, and we all agree that the president, although he has made more of an attempt to curtail spending than most presidents, like those other presidents he ultimately folded and signed these budgets and thus shares some responsibility - what can be gained by reaming him on the subject four months before such a critical election? And what do we stand to lose?

The man has a veto pen to use at his disposal after the legislation is passed.  If he yields that pen, and shoots this down, I will retract. 

And BTW...   just for reference, here are the cold hard facts.....

YE projected debt incured during Trump administration in four years - $9T
Debt incurred during Obama administration in 8 years- $8.1T

And again, how has he curtailed spending as you state?

[skeeter]

The man has a veto pen to use at his disposal after the legislation is passed.  If he yields that pen, and shoots this down, I will retract. 

And BTW...   just for reference, here are the cold hard facts.....

YE projected debt incured during Trump administration in four years - $9T
Debt incurred during Obama administration in 8 years- $8.1T

And again, how has he curtailed spending as you state?

I didn’t. I said he has made a more vigorous attempt. The longest gov shutdown in modern history. He has also reduced a great many regulations which has to have a positive effect on spending.

I assume you aren't including the COVID pay out in your figures. You know as well as I do that the vast majority of spending is mandated by law and for POTUS to seriously attack it, presumably by EO because the GOP will not cooperate, would be political suicide in the end without result. What do YOU propose he do in his first term?

And again how does repeatedly attacking him for it now further your cause?

[catfish1957]

I didn’t. I said he has made a more vigorous attempt. The longest gov shutdown in modern history. He has also reduced a great many regulations which has to have a positive effect on spending.

I assume you aren't including the COVID pay out in your figures. You know as well as I do that the vast majority of spending is mandated by law and for POTUS to seriously attack it, presumably by EO because the GOP will not cooperate, would be political suicide in the end without result. What do YOU propose he do in his first term?

First terms about over.  That's water over the bridge.  Even before the COVID crisis, you do realize that there were several  pieces of legislation that Trump signed, but could have vetoed if he was truly serious about fiscal responsibility.  Don't get me wrong...  I am voting for the guy in November, as the lesser of evils. 

But seeing good conservatives here touting, and even endorisng Trump's economic plans is a little shocking.  20 years ago, the response would have been much more damning. 

[skeeter]

First terms about over.  That's water over the bridge.  Even before the COVID crisis, you do realize that there were several  pieces of legislation that Trump signed, but could have vetoed if he was truly serious about fiscal responsibility.  Don't get me wrong...  I am voting for the guy in November, as the lesser of evils. 

But seeing good conservatives here touting, and even endorisng Trump's economic plans is a little shocking.  20 years ago, the response would have been much more damning.

Granted I haven't read the entire thread but I'd be surprised to see anyone here cheering for deficit spending.

[truth_seeker]

You're talking about a Third Party, which would insure infinite Democrat rule in a 50/50 nation.

Talking about a THIRD party, without being able to manage their existing First tier major party.

Hey guys and gals follow me.

If you think your so-called Principles SELL themselves, that is the main problem.

Conservatives lack self-appraisal.

Too busy blabbing in their never-ending debates, to examine why they are where they are.

Every Republican/conservaive should be engaged in learning Persuasion.

How to convert prospects?

--keep it simple

--make it visual

--repat, repeat, repeat,repeat.

[Axeslinger]

Talking about a THIRD party, without being able to manage their existing First tier major party.

Hey guys and gals follow me.

If you think your so-called Principles SELL themselves, that is the main problem.

Conservatives lack self-appraisal.

Too busy blabbing in their never-ending debates, to examine why they are where they are.

Every Republican/conservaive should be engaged in learning Persuasion.

How to convert prospects?

--keep it simple

--make it visual

--repat, repeat, repeat,repeat.

@truth_seeker
When arguing w a lib, I’ve learned to boil it down to this:

Do you trust politicians, of either party?  (They always say no)
Then why do you want to give so much control of your life over to them?

Those that hear that line of thinking can usually hear you.  Those that can’t, are blind and dead, so there’s no use debating them.

And the beauty of that line of arguing is it applies to EVERY subject and it makes them defend their faith in government.   We spend WAY too much time trying to convince rather than just make them defend their positions.

[truth_seeker]

@truth_seeker
When arguing w a lib, I’ve learned to boil it down to this:

Do you trust politicians, of either party?  (They always say no)
Then why do you want to give so much control of your life over to them?

Those that hear that line of thinking can usually hear you.  Those that can’t, are blind and dead, so there’s no use debating them.

And the beauty of that line of arguing is it applies to EVERY subject and it makes them defend their faith in government.   We spend WAY too much time trying to convince rather than just make them defend their positions.

Great.

[Cyber Liberty]

@truth_seeker
When arguing w a lib, I’ve learned to boil it down to this:

Do you trust politicians, of either party?  (They always say no)
Then why do you want to give so much control of your life over to them?

Those that hear that line of thinking can usually hear you.  Those that can’t, are blind and dead, so there’s no use debating them.

And the beauty of that line of arguing is it applies to EVERY subject and it makes them defend their faith in government.   We spend WAY too much time trying to convince rather than just make them defend their positions.

We should all tattoo these two questions on the back of our foreheads, to be pulled out when talking to lefties.

[DCPatriot]

@truth_seeker
When arguing w a lib, I’ve learned to boil it down to this:

Do you trust politicians, of either party?  (They always say no)
Then why do you want to give so much control of your life over to them?

Those that hear that line of thinking can usually hear you.  Those that can’t, are blind and dead, so there’s no use debating them.

And the beauty of that line of arguing is it applies to EVERY subject and it makes them defend their faith in government.   We spend WAY too much time trying to convince rather than just make them defend their positions.

Excellent!   

[EdinVA]

We should all tattoo these two questions on the back of our foreheads, to be pulled out when talking to lefties.

Back of my forehead??? Then I would have to turn my eyes inside out....

[Cyber Liberty]

Back of my forehead??? Then I would have to turn my eyes inside out....

It's so you can bypass the eyes and let your brain see it directly...lol.

[truth_seeker]

Just back in contact with a woman from ten years or so. We served together on a non-profit board. I still do. She popped up on my Facebook, on the recall Gavin Newsome (CA Governor) movement.

My first thought, I remembered her to be a  NY liberal.

I sent a kind message, and she replied she used to be far left, now is far right with a flag and pro Trump.

I am going to inquire about some mutual friends, and ask her what happened?
 
I will learn what persuaded her to change positions?

[catfish1957]

Just back in contact with a woman from ten years or so. We served together on a non-profit board. I still do. She popped up on my Facebook, on the recall Gavin Newsome (CA Governor) movement.

My first thought, I remembered her to be a  NY liberal.

I sent a kind message, and she replied she used to be far left, now is far right with a flag and pro Trump.

I am going to inquire about some mutual friends, and ask her what happened?
 
I will learn what persuaded her to change positions?

My wife when I met her was a Carter supporting democrat, who was a just a tad left of center. Her main concerns were making sure the less fortunate weren't left behind.  After 40 years later she has morphed as far right as i am.  What used to be a wealth inequality concern has changed justifiably.    What used to be so called "left behind" became entitlement junkies. 

[DCPatriot]

My wife when I met her was a Carter supporting democrat, who was a just a tad left of center. Her main concerns were making sure the less fortunate weren't left behind.  After 40 years later she has morphed as far right as i am.  What used to be a wealth inequality concern has changed justifiably.    What used to be so called "left behind" became entitlement junkies.

Yes, but you can't expect the population to go "Cold Turkey", thus creating a visual that supports the outrageous claims that we don't give a damn about people.

They need to be weaned.  By providing job opportunities. 

Using the VETO paints a bullseye on him and the Party.

[GrouchoTex]

@truth_seeker
When arguing w a lib, I’ve learned to boil it down to this:

Do you trust politicians, of either party?  (They always say no)
Then why do you want to give so much control of your life over to them?

Those that hear that line of thinking can usually hear you.  Those that can’t, are blind and dead, so there’s no use debating them.

And the beauty of that line of arguing is it applies to EVERY subject and it makes them defend their faith in government.   We spend WAY too much time trying to convince rather than just make them defend their positions.

Sound Advice, right here.

[roamer_1]

I will learn what persuaded her to change positions?

IMO, that's usually a cramp of some kind... 

[Bigun]

Do you trust politicians, of either party?  (They always say no)
Then why do you want to give so much control of your life over to them?

WE don't need to GIVE them anything as they are very adept at taking whatever they like.  Witness the current Marxist Income tax system we suffer for example!

[Cyber Liberty]

WE don't need to GIVE them anything as they are very adept at taking them.  Witness the current Marxist Income tax system we suffer for example!

Substitute "Taken from you" for "Given," then ask, "What if the winds change and they decide to outlaw abortions for blacks, and encourage it for whites by offering it for free?" and see what they say.

[Fishrrman]

Mesaclone wrote:
"And if one thing in history stands out...it is that you cannot dissuade fanatics from their jihad."

And that goes for the communists, as well. History has shown that.

In the end, the fate of traditional America (and of the Euro-Americans who built it) rests on this proposition:
Are we willing to fight them with enough force and determination to eliminate them?
Not merely "subdue" them, but ELIMINATE them.

If we are, we'll win.
If we're not, THEY are going to win.

I'm a realist.
As I look around, I don't see such determination in traditional-minded Americans (aka "the white folks").
Nor do I see it in the constitutions of the overwhelming majority of elected representatives [supposedly] "on our side".

We are mired in an "American Weimar"...

[DCPatriot]

Mesaclone wrote:
"And if one thing in history stands out...it is that you cannot dissuade fanatics from their jihad."

And that goes for the communists, as well. History has shown that.

In the end, the fate of traditional America (and of the Euro-Americans who built it) rests on this proposition:
Are we willing to fight them with enough force and determination to eliminate them?
Not merely "subdue" them, but ELIMINATE them.

If we are, we'll win.
If we're not, THEY are going to win.

I'm a realist.
As I look around, I don't see such determination in traditional-minded Americans (aka "the white folks").
Nor do I see it in the constitutions of the overwhelming majority of elected representatives [supposedly] "on our side".

We are mired in an "American Weimar"...

I am ashamed to admit that I've found a latent respect for where Allende and Pol Pot were coming from.

Parents have only photographs of their missing children that were taken to the soccer stadium and never seen again.

That's how they dealt with THEIR 'Antifas'.

Very hard to do when the society asks you to donate "just $19 @ month" to save a cat or a dog.

[dancer]

You are once again wrong. I entirely get it.

I don't "accept" the spending, but I prefer to surrendering the nation to Marxism. Because that IS the binary choice we face...I'd love to stand on a moral high horse and proclaim "Give me a balanced budget or give me death".  But we can't afford that posturing right now...that posturing only ensures my children and grandchildren will live under Marxism.

Get this through your head. If the GOP loses this election, Marxism wins. We don't get to come back from this one...this is not a normal election. And while I HATE the spending, I will not willingly let America go quietly into that goodnight. You apparently WILL as long as you can stand back and shout I TOLD YOU SO about spending and conservative puritanism. Great. I'm glad you'll feel good about yourself as the nation burns around you.

BRAVO! 

I will add that "puritanism" is a well known tactic to distract, interfere and disrupt those on the right trying to achieve their goals. 

This election will decide if we remain a sovereign nation or disappear into the fog of the globalist NWO, a one world government.