A New Right Grounded in Insurgency Thinking

[Cyber Liberty]

My take is that the "right" has not learned how to have a debate without threats....
For example, abortion is now Reproductive Rights or Womens Health... When the "right" can have the conversation on a topic that does not result in a binary condition supported by a sledge hammer, then the non-rights will  flock to the right.

A minor quibble:  The press, as constituted today, will describe everything we want as a "sledgehammer."  They've been doing it for decades.

[EdinVA]

A minor quibble:  The press, as constituted today, will describe everything we want as a "sledgehammer."  They've been doing it for decades.

Understand the media part but I still think in a way, we are our own worst enemy.

[Cyber Liberty]

Understand the media part but I still think in a way, we are our own worst enemy.

That is certainly how it's portrayed in the leftist Democrat press, yes.  That's also how Trump is described.  I might be wrong about this, but I detect a pattern.

[roamer_1]

Bloody truth rather.

Talk of insurgencies and third parties...just plain dumbassery. THERE IS NO TIME for any of that. Fight now or lose...clearly...you are choosing lose for yourself. Which quite frankly makes you irrelevant.

Bah. The same histrionics prevail every election. The problem with that thinking is that there is never any consequence for poor or even outright awful performance on the part of our representative government. Your boy Tumpy just spent more money than anybody EVER, enabling a Republican senate no less, that is every bit as culpable. If ONLY for that, them sonsabiches need their birthdays taken away. They need a trip to the woodshed. And the ONLY woodshed they will EVER see is the election.

Since you'll pull the lever regardless of what they do, that will never ever happen. That makes YOU irrelevant. You enable them in all their RINO ways.

All that the rest of us can do is pray that such stupidity is rare amongst sane conservatives. The Wall of our Republic is now breached and the barbarians are bursting through the gates...so, I'm sorry the perfect soldiers aren't available...but we imperfect, impure, not-good-enough-for-roamer conservatives will continue throwing ourselves into that breach to push back this Marxist horde. We may lose, but at least we'll go down fighting FOR the Republic.

I hate to have to tell you this, but the barbarians have been through the gates for decades, and Republicans, by their acquiescence, in their failure to provide opposition, have set up this scenario themselves. And STILL you will vote them back in. That is what this article is trying to address in a nutshell. Keep rewarding that piss poor performance thinking that somehow repeating that action yet again will change anything at all.. A perfect definition of insanity.

I WILL NOT endorse that performance. I am appalled by it. It works against every conservative thing, and I will not approve of it.

[LegalAmerican]

Bah. The same histrionics prevail every election. The problem with that thinking is that there is never any consequence for poor or even outright awful performance on the part of our representative government. Your boy Tumpy just spent more money than anybody EVER, enabling a Republican senate no less, that is every bit as culpable. If ONLY for that, them sonsabiches need their birthdays taken away. They need a trip to the woodshed. And the ONLY woodshed they will EVER see is the election.

Since you'll pull the lever regardless of what they do, that will never ever happen. That makes YOU irrelevant. You enable them in all their RINO ways.


I hate to have to tell you this, but the barbarians have been through the gates for decades, and Republicans, by their acquiescence, in their failure to provide opposition, have set up this scenario themselves. And STILL you will vote them back in. That is what this article is trying to address in a nutshell. Keep rewarding that piss poor performance thinking that somehow repeating that action yet again will change anything at all.. A perfect definition of insanity.

I WILL NOT endorse that performance. I am appalled by it. It works against every conservative thing, and I will not approve of it.

Who else you got?  DEMON-RATS?  Any 3rd party is a Green Party and more communism.   There is hardly anything conservative left and the republicans are it, as IMPERFECT,  that they are for YOU.  Just for you.  HOW ABOUT FOR SAVING THE COUNTRY?  That is your choice.  COMMUNISM    OR   REPUBLICANS.  LIST YOUR 'CONSERVATIVE' REQUIREMENTS. 

[roamer_1]

Who else you got?  DEMON-RATS?  Any 3rd party is a Green Party and more communism.   There is hardly anything conservative left and the republicans are it, as IMPERFECT,  that they are for YOU.  Just for you.  HOW ABOUT FOR SAVING THE COUNTRY?  That is your choice.  COMMUNISM    OR   REPUBLICANS.  LIST YOUR 'CONSERVATIVE' REQUIREMENTS.

At this point your choice is communism either way. The fight is between the marxists on the left and world organization via the UN, and 3rd-way socialists on the so-called right and globalism by way of corporate cronyism driven by multinational board rooms.

And the point I am making is toward this article - the problem is that there is no opposition. and y'all are gleefully choosing to support the RINOs in power.

[LegalAmerican]

At this point your choice is communism either way. The fight is between the marxists on the left and world organization via the UN, and 3rd-way socialists on the so-called right and globalism by way of corporate cronyism driven by multinational board rooms.

And the point I am making is toward this article - the problem is that there is no opposition. and y'all are gleefully choosing to support the RINOs in power.

Thank you and your list for conservative requirements? 

 Again,  they are the only choice and chance our country has.  We don't WANT  RINO'S, but yes,  they are there.  Our plan is to vote most of them,  out of office.  Like the dirty dozen.







    
 
 

[roamer_1]

Thank you and your list for conservative requirements? 

My list of conservative requirements are the unmovable principles of the three (really four) factions defined in Reaganism, via Goldwater, and as found in Goldwater libertariansim.

Look them up.

Again,  they are the only choice and chance our country has.  We don't WANT  RINO'S, but yes,  they are there.  Our plan is to vote most of them,  out of office.  Like the dirty dozen.

Riiiight. I fell for that bullcrap for nigh on thirty years. What to show for it? Bupkis. NOTHING. Failing to provide consequences for poor performance enables the RINOs. It has NEVER rid us of them. It only increases them.

[dancer]

My list of conservative requirements are the unmovable principles of the three (really four) factions defined in Reaganism, via Goldwater, and as found in Goldwater libertariansim.

Look them up.

Riiiight. I fell for that bullcrap for nigh on thirty years. What to show for it? Bupkis. NOTHING. Failing to provide consequences for poor performance enables the RINOs. It has NEVER rid us of them. It only increases them.

roamer, the only thing we conservatives have in common with the Libertarian is fiscal restraint and smaller government.  Sorry, but I can't swallow the other issues they stand for.  I don't want open borders.  I don't want no police.  I don't want unchecked abortions. I don't want the miasma of green new deals. I don't want globalism.  Etc., etc., etc.

We have worked hard to take back the Republican Party.  It's a slow process, but Trump himself is proof that we're winning.  We have a ways to go, granted.  Congress is much more difficult to take back, but we are making some headway there.  Face it.  We have no other alternative, period.

[dancer]

Bloody truth rather.

Talk of insurgencies and third parties...just plain dumbassery. THERE IS NO TIME for any of that. Fight now or lose...clearly...you are choosing lose for yourself. Which quite frankly makes you irrelevant.

All that the rest of us can do is pray that such stupidity is rare amongst sane conservatives. The Wall of our Republic is now breached and the barbarians are bursting through the gates...so, I'm sorry the perfect soldiers aren't available...but we imperfect, impure, not-good-enough-for-roamer conservatives will continue throwing ourselves into that breach to push back this Marxist horde. We may lose, but at least we'll go down fighting FOR the Republic.

Amen Mesaclone.  FWIW, I think we're winning.  Most of us have been fighting this battle since the onset of the Minute Man movement.  Since then, the enemies of our sovereign Republic have shown their faces.  It's been a long fight, but it has culminated into the fully exposed deep state we are fighting today.  They have no more cover.  They're now out in the open, including the McConnells and those hiding under the right's banner.  It's a battle to the death.  This is it.  This is the whole magilla.  It's now or it's over.  Truly over.  We might be war weary, but we will fight on!  We will win because we simply must.

[roamer_1]

roamer, the only thing we conservatives have in common with the Libertarian is fiscal restraint and smaller government.  Sorry, but I can't swallow the other issues they stand for.  I don't want open borders.  I don't want no police.  I don't want unchecked abortions. I don't want the miasma of green new deals. I don't want globalism.  Etc, etc., etc.

Your statement is ill informed. Goldwater libertarianism is far right, and is the basis for American Conservatism. Reagan comes out of that very same libertarianism. The only difference between Goldwater and Reagan is that Reagan amended  Goldwater to include the Christian Right.

Goldwater is the root of Conservative federalism and state sovereignty, constitutional originalism, the basis of our foundational views of 'a nation of laws', the function of government being in opposition to itself, and all the structural limitations of government found on the conservative side.

Your misconception supposes 'Libertarian Party' which is a world away from Goldwater and libertarianism on the right. But do not write off Libertarians so quickly. Their foundations are like unto ours, and you will find them ready to cross over and vote for a Conservative preaching Goldwater (which every true conservative does). The big 'L' Libertarian party has always been a redheaded stepchild to Conservatives, but they have been sturdy allies in the past. What sends them adrift is when we do not support civil libertarianism (Goldwater) and fiscal conservatism, which 'we' currently do not (referring to the Republicans and Tumpy)

We have worked hard to take back the Republican Party.  It's a slow process, but Trump himself is proof that we're winning.  We have a ways to go, granted.  Congress is much more difficult to take back, but we are making some headway there.  Face it.  We have no other alternative, period.

No you will not. That you will vote in approval of this unconscionable spending should be enough to tell you what you are supporting. If that doesn't do it, ten ponder your approval of the shutdown and destruction of business the Republicans have just governed over. Your treasure is being taken from you right before your eyes, not to mention your rights, and you are voting *FOR* it.

[dancer]

Your statement is ill informed. Goldwater libertarianism is far right, and is the basis for American Conservatism. Reagan comes out of that very same libertarianism. The only difference between Goldwater and Reagan is that Reagan amended  Goldwater to include the Christian Right.

Goldwater is the root of Conservative federalism and state sovereignty, constitutional originalism, the basis of our foundational views of 'a nation of laws', the function of government being in opposition to itself, and all the structural limitations of government found on the conservative side.

Your misconception supposes 'Libertarian Party' which is a world away from Goldwater and libertarianism on the right. But do not write off Libertarians so quickly. Their foundations are like unto ours, and you will find them ready to cross over and vote for a Conservative preaching Goldwater (which every true conservative does). The big 'L' Libertarian party has always been a redheaded stepchild to Conservatives, but they have been sturdy allies in the past. What sends them adrift is when we do not support civil libertarianism (Goldwater) and fiscal conservatism, which 'we' currently do not (referring to the Republicans and Tumpy)

No you will not. That you will vote in approval of this unconscionable spending should be enough to tell you what you are supporting. If that doesn't do it, ten ponder your approval of the shutdown and destruction of business the Republicans have just governed over. Your treasure is being taken from you right before your eyes, not to mention your rights, and you are voting *FOR* it.

No, I am not.  The choice is Trump or complete slavery if the deep state wins.  Fiscal is one issue.  Though Trump gets the blame, look to the Congress that passes that bill that lands on his desk.  He is trying to help people survive what the tyrannical Democratic governors have inflicted on the public. Unemployment and loss of jobs. We cannot survive the total fall of the economy.  These are necessary stop gaps.  There is no alternative.  The Rats are taking advantage of our dire position per usual.  They load on billions of pork from which they benefit because they don't give a dam about we the people.  A total collapse of the economy is unthinkable.  We cannot recover from that.  Then what? 

You are fortunate that you could survive in such a situation.  Most cannot.  I can't.  I need my job.  I don't want a handout.  I want to work for my money.  Most Conservatives do.  It is what it is now.  We have to survive to get out of this abyss. 

As for Goldwater, I know little about him.  My friend, JB was a fan, but we worked together on the Minute Man issues.  At some point in time, I'll look into his views. But right now, our current situation is far more pressing.

PS:
Small ls vote reality.  Large Ls don't.  I despise them. 

[roamer_1]

No, I am not.  The choice is Trump or complete slavery if the deep state wins.  Fiscal is one issue.  Though Trump gets the blame, look to the Congress that passes that bill that lands on his desk.  He is trying to help people survive what the tyrannical Democratic governors have inflicted on the public. Unemployment and loss of jobs. We cannot survive the total fall of the economy.  These are necessary stop gaps.  There is no alternative.  The Rats are taking advantage of our dire position per usual.  They load on billions of pork from which they benefit because they don't give a dam about we the people.  A total collapse of the economy is unthinkable.  We cannot recover from that.  Then what?

I am sorry to inform you - But you are voting *FOR* the very thing you fear. The thing that WILL cause the total collapse of the economy IS THE SPENDING... Notwithstanding the lillegal incarceration of American citizens in their homes, and illegal shutdown of the economy ON TOP of the spending... ALL of which the REPUBLICANS have overseen.

You are fortunate that you could survive in such a situation.  Most cannot.  I can't.  I need my job.  I don't want a handout.  I want to work for my money.  Most Conservatives do.  It is what it is now.  We have to survive to get out of this abyss. 

Irrelevant fear. All that matters is what YOU can do voting on YOUR side of the fence. Deep state boogeymen and those rascally Democrats mean NOTHING in the face of what YOU are ALLOWING your team to do. You should be spitting mad at what your own people have done, but they get a free ride just waiving their arms and saying "DEEP STATE" which sets your hair on fire and you go running off screaming and yelling, while they chuckle and return to the trough.

As for Goldwater, I know little about him.  My friend, JB was a fan, but we worked together on the Minute Man issues.  At some point in time, I'll look into his views. But right now, our current situation is far more pressing.

It would do you a world of good to read Goldwater, and understand how principles are in fact the priority. Because without them all, all you can be doing is enabling.

PS:
Small ls vote reality.  Large Ls don't.  I despise them.

Bad move. And the consequence of the acceptance of throwing allies under the bus in the supposed necessity of the moment. THAT the Libertarians are drifting so far left is a direct consequence of Republicans throwing away Goldwater.

[roamer_1]

You are fortunate that you could survive in such a situation.  Most cannot.  I can't.  I need my job.  I don't want a handout.  I want to work for my money.  Most Conservatives do.  It is what it is now.  We have to survive to get out of this abyss. 

And by the way on this: It ain't WHERE I am as much as HOW I am... Where you are may not be as pristine, and may not offer as many options... But if y'all have a half acre lot for the garden, can have chickens and/or can fish and hunt, and have access to farmer's markets, case sales, and access to a wholesale truck (Azure), you can do much of what I do, and can go a very long way toward your own self-sufficiency.

That's pretty easy to do anywhere other than inner city. It's just a matter of doing otherwise - And I would be doing so no matter where I am.

[Cyber Liberty]

And by the way on this: It ain't WHERE I am as much as HOW I am... Where you are may not be as pristine, and may not offer as many options... But if y'all have a half acre lot for the garden, can have chickens and/or can fish and hunt, and have access to farmer's markets, case sales, and access to a wholesale truck (Azure), you can do much of what I do, and can go a very long way toward your own self-sufficiency.

That's pretty easy to do anywhere other than inner city. It's just a matter of doing otherwise - And I would be doing so no matter where I am.

I hope you've come to appreciate the fact that your model won't work for most people.  I am very glad for you that you have a good stand, but it can't apply to everyone.

[roamer_1]

I hope you've come to appreciate the fact that your model won't work for most people.  I am very glad for you that you have a good stand, but it can't apply to everyone.

I largely disagree with that. What I do is not that much different from what rural people do everywhere. and my mama did it right in suburban Chicago when I was a kid, so like I said, pretty much anywhere

[Cyber Liberty]

I largely disagree with that. What I do is not that much different from what rural people do everywhere. and my mama did it right in suburban Chicago when I was a kid, so like I said, pretty much anywhere

One of humanity's great conceits is thinking what worked well for one person works well for all people.

[roamer_1]

One of humanity's great conceits is thinking what worked well for one person works well for all people.

Liberty is universal and part of liberty's responsibilities is self-sufficiency... That rugged individualism thing.

I do not think it is a conceit to preach such a quintessential principle.

[Cyber Liberty]

Liberty is universal and part of liberty's responsibilities is self-sufficiency... That rugged individualism thing.

I do not think it is a conceit to preach such a quintessential principle.

Not everybody can obtain it the same way, because no two people have circumstances that are exactly the same.   The conceit comes in with, "I found a way to make it work.  Do it my way and you will too."  Life's just not that easy.

[roamer_1]

Not everybody can obtain it the same way, because no two people have circumstances that are exactly the same.   The conceit comes in with, "I found a way to make it work.  Do it my way and you will too."  Life's just not that easy.

Of course that is true. But the principle remains the same. Imagine how much pain would have been relieved if all houses had had 3 months provision on hand in their pantries in this last episode. And it is nothing new. A mere generation ago, all houses had pantries. And they were all full. That same generation had gardens in the back yard - It was just part of the furniture.

And all this ain't over by a long shot. I am shooting for doubling my pantry... I want a year on hand. And that will happen. I am back over 4 months worth right now, and harvest is but a month away.

Folks should be stocking up any way they can. Hard core. And I will continue to say so.

[Cyber Liberty]

Of course that is true. But the principle remains the same. Imagine how much pain would have been relieved if all houses had had 3 months provision on hand in their pantries in this last episode. And it is nothing new. A mere generation ago, all houses had pantries. And they were all full. That same generation had gardens in the back yard - It was just part of the furniture.

And all this ain't over by a long shot. I am shooting for doubling my pantry... I want a year on hand. And that will happen. I am back over 4 months worth right now, and harvest is but a month away.

Folks should be stocking up any way they can. Hard core. And I will continue to say so.

I think a lot of us have come to the same conclusion about our pantries.  Nothing focuses the mind like sheep stampeding, as we have seen almost all year.

The same applies to ammo, but not necessarily guns because we all stocked up on those during O'Bastard's reign of terror.  It's no lie he was Springfield Armory's best salesman ever.

[roamer_1]

I think a lot of us have come to the same conclusion about our pantries.  Nothing focuses the mind like sheep stampeding, as we have seen almost all year.

The same applies to ammo, but not necessarily guns because we all stocked up on those during O'Bastard's reign of terror.  It's no lie he was Springfield Armory's best salesman ever.

All of that goes directly to self sufficiency, so what's your beef with me?

[Cyber Liberty]

All of that goes directly to self sufficiency, so what's your beef with me?

That everybody can apply the same lessons to different situations.

(I wouldn't call that a "beef," just a minor disagreement.)

[roamer_1]

That everybody can apply the same lessons to different situations.

(I wouldn't call that a "beef," just a minor disagreement.)

Let me reiterate: It is the principle of the thing. In my initial statement I alluded to as much. Maybe folks can't garden and home-can, but they can buy case goods and stock up that way. Maybe folks can't go hunting, but most can buy a freezer and get a half a beef or pig up on the shelf. Even folks in the city can stock up on Mountain House or other freeze-dried goods...

YES there is more than one way to skin a cat (well, really no, there is only one way to skin a cat, but you get the idea), but the principle of self sufficiency is universal... And inherent in the cause of liberty.
ANY dependency on the system is a ring in your nose.

[Cyber Liberty]

Let me reiterate: It is the principle of the thing. In my initial statement I alluded to as much. Maybe folks can't garden and home-can, but they can buy case goods and stock up that way. Maybe folks can't go hunting, but most can buy a freezer and get a half a beef or pig up on the shelf. Even folks in the city can stock up on Mountain House or other freeze-dried goods...

YES there is more than one way to skin a cat (well, really no, there is only one way to skin a cat, but you get the idea), but the principle of self sufficiency is universal... And inherent in the cause of liberty.
ANY dependency on the system is a ring in your nose.

Total independence is impossible in this world.  It's desirable to lessen that to the greatest extent possible.  Not everybody has life's circumstances that permit the level of independence you have.  As a result, their opinions of things like the President are likely to vary. 

That is all I am saying.  People who don't come to the exact same conclusions as you or I are not necessarily idiots or statists (although that is certainly possible.  Look at Shortbus Joe or AOC), they are just informed by different life's experiences.