Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried

[musiclady]

Socialism also infantilizes people. 
Some years ago I read  a story about emigres to Israel. The immigrants came from many countries and some from the ex Soviet Union.
The ones who came from the SU had the hardest time adjusting to a free society where you were asked to do things for yourself.
In the SU the state did almost everything for the people.  It destroyed their initiative, the yearning to do things for themselves.

Which is why nearly every Soviet bloc country struggles economically.  After seventy years of socialist oppression, people have a hard time thinking for themselves.  Some of the older folks prefer to have others think for them and take care of them.

Just like Dex does! 

[truth_seeker]

That particular Member decided to pursue interests other than posting on a Forum that's openly hostile to her positions, and I'd be happy if she's not brought up again since she's not available to defend herself.  It's cowardly.

@truth_seeker

I didn't know she was gone. I did challenge her motive and her conservatism, when she openly stated her acceptance of socialism. Conservatives by my definition don't do that or advocate for Bernie.




@Cyber Liberty

[musiclady]

I didn't know she was gone. I did challenge her motive and her conservatism, when she openly stated her acceptance of socialism. Conservatives by my definition don't do that or advocate for Bernie.




@Cyber Liberty

Unless she was just saying which poison she prefers less......

Your interpretation of her position as one who hates her and badgers her mercilessly because she is a social conservative and you are not, is hardly reliable.

If she comes back.....and I pray she does.....she can defend herself against your ad hominem attacks, but until she does have enough respect for the forum to not smear her behind her back like you did here.

[libertybele]

I don't think we have to worry anymore about Bernie. He's still hanging on and has foolishly vowed to stay in the race, but there is no way he's going to be the nominee. I think age will prevent him from running in 2024; he'll be 82.  I think Uncle Joe's nomination was planned from the beginning anyways.

[catfish1957]

I don't think we have to worry anymore about Bernie. He's still hanging on and has foolishly vowed to stay in the race, but there is no way he's going to be the nominee. I think age will prevent him from running in 2024; he'll be 82.  I think Uncle Joe's nomination was planned from the beginning anyways.

Yep, get ready for Lock up Your Young Daughters 2020 Tour.

[roamer_1]

Decades?  I don't think so.  AI is already performing surgeries much better than the top surgeons; cost of those surgeries are at a premium. It is predicted that AI will be able to evaluate your health and make recommendations much more rapidly and accurately than a doctor. 

As for AI being limited by the programmers knowledge; IA has already been able to teach itself to play chess -- that was 2 years ago, so AI now has the ability to reason and it is no longer dependent on the programmers knowledge.

There is not going to be anything that AI can't do except have a human child (yet).

AI could easily replace humans; the sci-fi movies of years ago, are coming true.

Nah. No where near AI... Actually thinking for itself. Chess is a great example - There are a fixed number of permutations with a fixed and well defined rule set. It doesn't require 'thinking' for a computer to play chess. It has been programmed with all the possibilities. 'Thinking' happens outside of defined parameters. That is a different thing.

[libertybele]

Yep, get ready for Lock up Your Young Daughters 2020 Tour.

I'm really surprised no one has come forward and brought sexual harassment charges against him.

[roamer_1]

I have absolutely no problem with anyone NOT supporting Trump.  I question @Chosen Daughter conservatism and  found it concerning that she stated (and I'm paraphrasing from memory) that she'd rather deal with socialism than have Donald Trump as president.  I don't know of any conservative who would favor socialism over keeping our Republic in tact.

I will stand with @Chosen Daughter on that one.
I would MUCH rather put up with a Democrat practicing socialism than a Republican practicing socialism. Republicans getting comfortable with big government is precisely why liberals have no opposition.

[roamer_1]

That particular Member decided to pursue interests other than posting on a Forum that's openly hostile to her positions, and I'd be happy if she's not brought up again since she's not available to defend herself.  It's cowardly.

@truth_seeker

Really? Chosen's gone?

[musiclady]

I will stand with @Chosen Daughter on that one.
I would MUCH rather put up with a Democrat practicing socialism than a Republican practicing socialism. Republicans getting comfortable with big government is precisely why liberals have no opposition.

Again....... a less painful form of death is not an acceptance, much less approval of that death.

[musiclady]

Really? Chosen's gone?

I hope and pray it’s temporary.

Though I don’t blame her after the beating she’s taken from some  here.

[roamer_1]

Again....... a less painful form of death is not an acceptance, much less approval of that death.

The fault is in the Republicans in that case.

[libertybele]

I will stand with @Chosen Daughter on that one.
I would MUCH rather put up with a Democrat practicing socialism than a Republican practicing socialism. Republicans getting comfortable with big government is precisely why liberals have no opposition.

@Cyber Liberty commented that  "I'd be happy if she's not brought up again since she's not available to defend herself."  .... So ... I am refraining from further comment.

I will comment on your statement though; I don't see President Trump as a socialist.

[musiclady]

The fault is in the Republicans in that case.

My point in that is your (or Chosen Daughter’s) saying that she would rather America die by the socialism of Democrats than the socialism of Republicans is in no way an acceptance nor approval of socialism.

That is the accusation made here..... that CD is in solidarity with Dex, who is here defending and approving of socialism....... and that is completely and entirely dishonest.

[roamer_1]

@Cyber Liberty commented that  "I'd be happy if she's not brought up again since she's not available to defend herself."  .... So ... I am refraining from further comment.

I will comment on your statement though; I don't see President Trump as a socialist.

I sure do. Big government all the way.

[libertybele]

I hope and pray it’s temporary.

Though I don’t blame her after the beating she’s taken from some  here.

My hunch is that she will be back.

[roamer_1]

My point in that is your (or Chosen Daughter’s) saying that she would rather America die by the socialism of Democrats than the socialism of Republicans is in no way an acceptance nor approval of socialism.

That is the accusation made here..... that CD is in solidarity with Dex, who is here defending and approving of socialism....... and that is completely and entirely dishonest.

That's right as rain. 

[libertybele]

I sure do. Big government all the way.

If anything, he has rolled back on some 'big government' policies that Bammy implemented.

[roamer_1]

If anything, he has rolled back on some 'big government' policies that Bammy implemented.

Trillions upon trillions of dollars deny that statement. He may do it different, but hes doing it, sure enough.

[Cyber Liberty]

I didn't know she was gone. I did challenge her motive and her conservatism, when she openly stated her acceptance of socialism. Conservatives by my definition don't do that or advocate for Bernie.

@Cyber Liberty

'Salright. 

[Cyber Liberty]

My hunch is that she will be back.

Maybe after the election.  I dunno.  I really can't blame her, she took a lot of heat.  From myself included.

[musiclady]

My hunch is that she will be back.

I certainly hope so.

Though it takes a pretty tough skin to put up with the garbage she did with every single post.

One of the rules around here is to attack the ideas, to discuss the issues, and not attack the poster....... but EVERY SINGLE THREAD she posted was met first with vicious personal attacks without a single intent to discuss the issue in the article she posted.

The people who hated her got away with things that I've never seen happen here before.

If/when she comes back, I hope the rules of the forum are followed more closely and that she's protected from the viciousness she endured here.

[Smokin Joe]

Trillions upon trillions of dollars deny that statement. He may do it different, but hes doing it, sure enough.

In all fairness, those spending measures originated in the House. The place to gut those was the Senate, and then let the Democrats whine about Republicans shutting down the Government. Unfortunately, in one of those omnibus deals, things get woven in that will hurt real people who don't deserve to be hurt (troops, dependents, veterans, to name a few). It's a vile form of blackmail the Democrats have used, and unfortunately, the MSM will beat the drum and point the fickle finger of fate at the wrong people.

Some things Trump has done have cut red tape, unfortunately, those edicts only last as long as no one reverses them with an E.O.
The greatest failures remain in the Congress, and that especially lies with the GOP when they had both houses..

[musiclady]

That's right as rain. 

 

[musiclady]

If anything, he has rolled back on some 'big government' policies that Bammy implemented.

But he's using big government, and executive orders to roll back those policies.  Exchanging one big government ideology with another.....

Is he not?