Live Thread: Impeachment Trial Day 9

[corbe]

   @Right_in_Virginia I wish I shared your faith in McConnell to pull this off, these are tight margins on these possible upcoming votes, but like McCarthy in the House, they've disappointed me to many times to share your level of confidence.   

[catfish1957]

   @Right_in_Virginia I wish I shared your faith in McConnell to pull this off, these are tight margins on these possible upcoming votes, but like McCarthy in the House, they've disappointed me to many times to share your level of confidence.   

I won't exhale until the vote is taken.  Our spineless RINO population in congress has a history of going squishy when the chips are down.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

So, even if this saga of calling witnesses were to end, Larry Elder tonight says, this isn't an end to them trying to call Bolton and etc. They'll try to call him again at some time, subpoena him. It just won't be in this trial. He's probably correct and I wish I could state it as eloquently as he did.

@TomSea
They don't need to call him.  He's writing a book.  Everything comes out eventually.

I don't know about anyone else but I thought this was a great impeachment.  Epic in fact.  I can't wait for the next one.

[Hoodat]

@TomSea
I don't know about anyone else but I thought this was a great impeachment.  Epic in fact.  I can't wait for the next one.

An epic display of Democrat obstuction and egregious abuse of power.  And hypocrisy.

[bigheadfred]

An epic display of Democrat obstuction and egregious abuse of power.  And hypocrisy.

When it comes to the trashpile of human history this one is a standalone.

[TomSea]

Bolton backs officials called in House impeachment hearing
By Marina Pitofsky - 01/31/20 07:43 AM EST

Former national security adviser John Bolton at a private event on Thursday defended the officials who testified in the House impeachment inquiry into President Trump.

Bolton, speaking in Austin, Texas, said members of the Trump administration should “feel they’re able to speak their minds without retribution,” KXAN reported.

The former national security adviser defended former National Security Council senior director for Europe and Russia Fiona Hill, former top National Security Council aide Tim Morrison, Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, Bill Taylor, the former top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine and former Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch, the outlet reported.

Read more at: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/480836-bolton-backs-officials-called-in-house-impeachment-hearing

Before, Bolton was hired by the Trump WH, I'd watch him on FOX or FOX business and he was supportive of the President. We will have to see how this all goes. I'm not calling him a backstabber though, to me, this is all disagreeable what he did.

Again, my personal view, he sees how we treat NK, Iran, perhaps Russia too, with kid gloves where as Bolton would likely drastically deal with them so this is a bit of his way to lash back. I don't really think he sees some great moral dilemma in all of this. Just my opinion.

[catfish1957]

Before, Bolton was hired by the Trump WH, I'd watch him on FOX or FOX business and he was supportive of the President. We will have to see how this all goes. I'm not calling him a backstabber though, to me, this is all disagreeable what he did.

Again, my personal view, he sees how we treat NK, Iran, perhaps Russia too, with kid gloves where as Bolton would likely drastically deal with them so this is a bit of his way to lash back. I don't really think he sees some great moral dilemma in all of this. Just my opinion.

A lot of Trump's problems with former staff like Bolton is his inability to treat subordinates with respect during dispute.  From Tillison, to Mattis, to Sessions....  The pattern is undeniable.  I support the POTUS acquittal, but he really needs to re-evaluate his managment style. Otherwise, subsequent retributive events from exiting staff are inevitable.

[Hoodat]

The former national security adviser defended former National Security Council senior director for Europe and Russia Fiona Hill, former top National Security Council aide Tim Morrison, Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, Bill Taylor, the former top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine and former Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch, the outlet reported.

That last part makes zero sense.  Yovanovitch perjured herself, was complicit in the Burisma dealings, and was in charge when millions in US AID money came up missing.

[Hoodat]

A lot of Trump's problems with former staff like Bolton is his inability to treat subordinates with respect during dispute.  From Tillison, to Mattis, to Sessions....  The pattern is undeniable.  I support the POTUS acquittal, but he really needs to re-evaluate his managment style. Otherwise, subsequent retributive events from exiting staff are inevitable.

This is the typical mindset characteristic of an entrepreneur.  While superbly talented when it comes to vision, they are also extremely difficult to work for.  Entrepreneurs seek loyalty above all else from their subordinates.

[dfwgator]

Before, Bolton was hired by the Trump WH, I'd watch him on FOX or FOX business and he was supportive of the President. We will have to see how this all goes. I'm not calling him a backstabber though, to me, this is all disagreeable what he did.

Again, my personal view, he sees how we treat NK, Iran, perhaps Russia too, with kid gloves where as Bolton would likely drastically deal with them so this is a bit of his way to lash back. I don't really think he sees some great moral dilemma in all of this. Just my opinion.

Bolton thought he'd run the show,   Trump just saw him as a source of input, and Trump made decisions based on that input.  Bolton couldn't handle that.

[Bigun]

Bolton thought he'd run the show,   Trump just saw him as a source of input, and Trump made decisions based on that input.  Bolton couldn't handle that.

John Bolton is just like all other Diplomats and former diplomats!  They imagine that they are VERY much more important than they actually are.

[catfish1957]

This is the typical mindset characteristic of an entrepreneur.  While superbly talented when it comes to vision, they are also extremely difficult to work for.  Entrepreneurs seek loyalty above all else from their subordinates.

Well put.  OTOH, as much as Trump values loyalty....    That trait is a two way street.

[EdinVA]

John Bolton is just like all other Diplomats and former diplomats!  They imagine that they are VERY much more important than they actually are.

Bolton has never been the lead horse, always pushing letting others take the heat.
Now he is getting yelled at and he does not like it..

[sneakypete]

A lot of Trump's problems with former staff like Bolton is his inability to treat subordinates with respect during dispute.  From Tillison, to Mattis, to Sessions....  The pattern is undeniable.  I support the POTUS acquittal, but he really needs to re-evaluate his managment style. Otherwise, subsequent retributive events from exiting staff are inevitable.

@catfish1957

I agree,but just don't see that happening this late in his life.

[sneakypete]

John Bolton is just like all other Diplomats and former diplomats!  They imagine that they are VERY much more important than they actually are.

@Bigun 

[catfish1957]

@catfish1957

I agree,but just don't see that happening this late in his life.

@sneakypete

Agreed.  In some ways this is still better than the style of a squishy GHWB, and others.  Leading by consensus is part of the reason this country has gone to hell the past 30 years.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete
 Leading by consensus is part of the reason this country has gone to hell the past 30 years.

@catfish1957

There is no such thing as leading by consensus. That is a "the borg" leading. Herd mentality. Rule by mob.

Real leaders lead from the front,and it it is up to those following to catch up. If they can't,they get replaced by someone who can.

[Bigun]

@catfish1957

There is no such thing as leading by consensus. That is a "the borg" leading. Herd mentality. Rule by mob.

Real leaders lead from the front,and it it is up to those following to catch up. If they can't,they get replaced by someone who can.

 

[Chosen Daughter]

Before, Bolton was hired by the Trump WH, I'd watch him on FOX or FOX business and he was supportive of the President. We will have to see how this all goes. I'm not calling him a backstabber though, to me, this is all disagreeable what he did.

Again, my personal view, he sees how we treat NK, Iran, perhaps Russia too, with kid gloves where as Bolton would likely drastically deal with them so this is a bit of his way to lash back. I don't really think he sees some great moral dilemma in all of this. Just my opinion.

I don't call it lashing back.  I call it defending your good name.  It was the same with Sessions.  Fully supported Trump and the agenda he set for the Republican party going forward from the election.

I will not call John Bolton a liar.  And without his testimony he doesn't even get a chance to defend his name.  And now he is being dragged through the mud.  But don't expect it to stop here.  There are months left before the election and I imagine that Bolton will now continue to defend himself with other avenues.