Veterans group demands apology from Trump over comments on brain injuries

[musiclady]

It's not an "inability to apologize".... if what the person stated is accurate, correct and the truth....   not to mention what he was told by Pentagon officials.   Would you apologize for stating a fact or a truth that you were told by experts or officials?

If you really want to blame somone here... blame the ones that make the rules in the military....or Pentagon officials.   Trump didn't make those rules or that policy. 

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Pardon me for making this observation... but....it seems to me that some of you are upset that Trump didn't exaggerate, embellish or.... dare I say it.... (you betcha I dare)....

politicize the Iran attack injuries (which he could have done if he really wanted that 'war with Iran' that the idiot left is accusing him of wanting.... and which is what the lying idiot left would have done).   

So it's not ok for him to exaggerate and politicize some things but ok for others.... is that it?   Sorry... but that's how I'm perceiving it.   And yeah, I've become cynical to a fault these days.   

That's some spin you put on that there......   

Gonna say it one more time.  The troops and their families who will be dealing with medical issues their entire lives because of this 'non-injury' should receive an apology from Trump.

Even if he was quoting someone or saying what he thought he was supposed to say, or whatever he was thinking (if that indeed is what he was doing), it's still minimizing what actually happened to these men.

He should at least clarify.

 

[musiclady]

I will.  Not going to let them drive me out.  You keep posting as well.  Because I know that you are giving your true assessment.  That is something to be respected for.  Thank you.

Thanks.  Giving one's true assessment can be hazardous to your health around here.

Even if it's coming from a solidly conservative perspective.

It's been disturbing to observe the name-calling coming your way, and I very much admire your resilience in carrying the ball forward in spite of a whole lot of unsportsmanlike conduct directed at you .....

[EdinVA]

I wonder if you have seen the news recently?  The latest caravan has broken through to Mexico.  And while I would like to praise the Trumps policies on immigration I can't.   Because they won't stop coming until we address the drug business.  Cartel business and gang business.  And I like that they are being held in Mexico but that can't last and its becoming a Cartel business also.

The fence is bollard style slats and they are scaling it.  All those prototypes have fallen to the wayside.  Because Trump gave in.  And there isn't many miles of it either.

Trump’s New Border ‘Wall’ Resembles Fence Obama Constructed That Illegal Aliens Recently Hopped Over

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/04/10/trumps-new-border-wall-resembles-fence-constructed-under-obama-that-illegal-aliens-recently-hopped-over/

Caravan

Mexican security forces and immigration agents put hundreds of Central Americans who crossed into the country early Thursday on buses to be processed and possibly sent back to their home countries amid a wave of migrants passing through in an effort to reach the United States.
The national guardsmen, dressed in riot gear, advanced on migrants who were stopped at a crossroads, prompting the migrants to kneel and chant "we want to pass."
Authorities awaited the caravan outside the community of Frontera Hidalgo, near Ciudad Hidalgo, where the migrants had crossed the Suchiate River at dawn.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/caravan-mexico-broken-up-national-guardsmen-immigration-agents

The wall

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[PeteS in CA]

You must be new here.  Sniping and snarking and calling people names seems to be a favorite pastime for many. And it's not just here.  Civil discourse is dying and has been for a number of years.  Might already be dead.

Personal attacks are not allowed in here period.  There are a select few who seem to continue on with their sniping and name calling.  It does get tiring and that is where the "ignore" feature comes in handy.  Quite frankly -- I wish they would find themselves a different forum. They ruin it for the rest of us.

@Applewood and @libertybele I am relatively new here, but I have been on Internet discussion forums since 1997. In that time I've seen forums torn apart by snipping and sniping that devolved into near-flaming (here's an example, http://www.goldtalk.com/forum/index.php ... 15 years or so ago it was as or more busy than TBR). Personal stuff contributes nothing to the discussion of issues and the potential outcomes are worth avoiding.

[musiclady]

@Applewood and @libertybele I am relatively new here, but I have been on Internet discussion forums since 1997. In that time I've seen forums torn apart by snipping and sniping that devolved into near-flaming (here's an example, http://www.goldtalk.com/forum/index.php ... 15 years or so ago it was as or more busy than TBR). Personal stuff contributes nothing to the discussion of issues and the potential outcomes are worth avoiding.

@mystery-ak and the Mods do a very good job of keeping the nastiness to a minimum,

But some people just ignore the rules and even when not provoked by anything or anyone level ugly attacks on other posters, simply because they have differing opinions.

You can count them on one hand around here (at least as far as I've seen), but it still has a very negative effect on the forum...... and I said before, the more the majority falls in line with Trump, the uglier it gets for those who see Conservatism being threatened by him.

Groupthink is for places like TOS.  I pray this doesn't ever get that bad.

[PeteS in CA]

How about telling the poster who keeps calling her ‘Greta’ to stop the personal attacks?

@musiclady, since you know who that is, why not PM them?

[truth_seeker]

'inability to apologise"

equals 'mindreading,'which is precisely what the President's lawyers said about the House DEMOCRATS' case.

To me mindreading fits well with scatterbrained thinking.

Like posting remarks, as if one 'knows" what Trump  is/was thinking.

Having claimed to know what someone is/was thinking, it is easy to start your criticism of them too.

Next one can criticize them for what you claim to know they are thinking.

Further on you criticize them for not apoligising for what you claim they are/were thinking.

Having mastered that paradigm, you are now qualified to be a leftist joounalist, offering up fake news.

[XenaLee]

Note to Forum:

It is highly likely and probable that I will address anyone that posts "How dare he!" as Greta.  It's how I roll.   

Sue me.

 

[Absalom]

   
Trump didn't know the extent of the issue when it was dropped on him during a presser at an economic summit. 
Grow up, Chosen.  Trump is not the Alpha and Omega of humans, but he loves America, he loves our heroes in uniform and he's the best advocate for our freedom and American destiny since Reagan.
I don't understand your bile.  Would you have the same approach to Cruz or Rubio?   Are you a Lefty?   Look in the mirror and figure out your personal ideology and express it once in a while.  Being against the President at every turn is not a defensible political dogma, it's rank lazy "look at me" quasi-resistance.
I've observed you here, and you are annoying.  Not because of your political ideology but because it seems you have NO political ideology except for "Orange Man bad and I am GOOD".   Couldn't be more boring.

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So Trumpet didn't know the extent of the issue, yet as usual he ran off at the mouth,
which has been standard behavior for him since the age of 13, as his Mother observed.
Who Trumpet loves is 'Himself'; as do all compulsive Narcissists!
By the way, your juvenile descriptives: bile, boring, annoying, lazy.......have an antidote.
Cease reading adult posts and restrict yourself to puff-pieces from Trumpet's Fan Club.

[Chosen Daughter]

CaravanThe wall

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Yes, illegal immigration has greatly been reduced since the May peak when things were crazy.  I give president Trump credit.  I wasn't aware of any sensors that are on the wall that notifies BPS of approaching illegal immigrants.  We will have to see how long Mexico can hold off migrants coming from Honduras and Guatemala.  If we don't address the Cartel and gang business it will never end.  And we need to stop what draws them.  Free everything and sanctuary cities.

[EdinVA]

Yes, illegal immigration has greatly been reduced since the May peak when things were crazy.  I give president Trump credit.  I wasn't aware of any sensors that are on the wall that notifies BPS of approaching illegal immigrants.  We will have to see how long Mexico can hold off migrants coming from Honduras and Guatemala.  If we don't address the Cartel and gang business it will never end.  And we need to stop what draws them.  Free everything and sanctuary cities.

Agree with the cartels... but we have to stay engaged and bring the Mexican government along with that.  We cannot do anything unilaterally.   The Mexican government is out gunned and they know it but if we push to hard then we make enemies out of the Mexican people... Patience with pressure will get it done.

[Chosen Daughter]

Note to Forum:

It is highly likely and probable that I will address anyone that posts "How dare he!" as Greta.  It's how I roll.   

Sue me.

 

I guess you can expect others to call you whatever they wish also.  It may be how they roll.

[libertybele]

@mystery-ak and the Mods do a very good job of keeping the nastiness to a minimum,

But some people just ignore the rules and even when not provoked by anything or anyone level ugly attacks on other posters, simply because they have differing opinions.

You can count them on one hand around here (at least as far as I've seen), but it still has a very negative effect on the forum...... and I said before, the more the majority falls in line with Trump, the uglier it gets for those who see Conservatism being threatened by him.

Groupthink is for places like TOS.  I pray this doesn't ever get that bad.

Conservatism has been under attack for quite some time; I think we can ALL at least agree on that.  What I find troubling is the blatant attack on our Constitution -- and it hasn't always just been by the left.

Right now we are witnessing a coup against this President --  he needs our support -- again, like him or not, he IS standing between us and socialism.  From what I can tell (and I haven't researched them all in depth) the DEMS opposing Trump are further to the left than even Hillary.  Pelosi has lost control of the progressive leftist in her party.  There is no accountability whatsoever on the DEM side and they will continue to push with lies and accusations (Pelosi's smear tactic) until they get their way...the public be damned regardless if they voted for Trump or not.

To sum up -- I opt (as of right now) to stand behind someone who I believe has taken this country in a more positive direction than to throw my hand up in the air because he has some flaws.  I honestly seem some positive in him and a whole lot of patriotism.

There are no guarantees that he will be re-elected and in fact because of all the corruption from the left, I personally feel his chances are slim.  What absolutely frightens my is the lengths that the left has gone to so far to overthrow this administration and there has been little oversight.

Same thing happened under Obama -- his overreach and the blatant corruption of the DOJ was unchallenged.  535 Members of Congress let him and them get away with it -- where was the oversight?

Yes, conservatism is under attack -- however I believe Trump is trying to hold onto the reigns of conservatism as best he can -- he has faced an uphill battle since day one.  I saw Cruz as our last chance of restoring this Republic and moving in a more conservative direction.  That hasn't changed.  What has changed is realizing that the only glimmer of hope that this Republic has right now is Trump; acknowledging his accomplishments and really realizing what he has endured from the left in an attempt to save this country.  No one has jumped in on the GOP side to oppose Trump which indicates to me two things; no one thinks that they can do a better job at turning things around and no one wants to battle the bat crap crazies on the left. 

Here we sit.  God help us.

[musiclady]

@musiclady, since you know who that is, why not PM them?

We both know who it is.

But since you were acting as a Mod (not inappropriately), I thought you might continue with what you were doing.

But I can do that if you'd rather not.   I'm not sure it's reportable, but it sure is mean to compare a Conservative with whom you happen to disagree with that despicable Greta child....

@XenaLee

[Chosen Daughter]

Agree with the cartels... but we have to stay engaged and bring the Mexican government along with that.  We cannot do anything unilaterally.   The Mexican government is out gunned and they know it but if we push to hard then we make enemies out of the Mexican people... Patience with pressure will get it done.

I don't believe that the Mexican people want the Cartel.  One of Trumps best idea's was to designate Cartel terrorists.  It gives our law enforcement much more authority to go after them right here in the U.S.  And that would send a strong message that their business is not welcome.  As for Mexico they shouldn't have any say whether we designate the Cartel terrorists.  This is our country and almost every major city is infested with cartel business.  Every family knows someone who has fallen to cartel drugs and businesses.

In Mexico politicians are murdered and people are terrorized.  The cartel tactics are no less gruesome than ISIS.  Why we fight ISIS overseas and ignore Cartel here is beyond me.

[musiclady]

'inability to apologise"

equals 'mindreading,'which is precisely what the President's lawyers said about the House DEMOCRATS' case.

To me mindreading fits well with scatterbrained thinking.

Like posting remarks, as if one 'knows" what Trump  is/was thinking.

Having claimed to know what someone is/was thinking, it is easy to start your criticism of them too.

Next one can criticize them for what you claim to know they are thinking.

Further on you criticize them for not apoligising for what you claim they are/were thinking.

Having mastered that paradigm, you are now qualified to be a leftist joounalist, offering up fake news.

Nothing but bunk in that post.

[XenaLee]

We both know who it is.

But since you were acting as a Mod (not inappropriately), I thought you might continue with what you were doing.

But I can do that if you'd rather not.   I'm not sure it's reportable, but it sure is mean to compare a Conservative with whom you happen to disagree with that despicable Greta child....

@XenaLee

And again....

sue me.

[XenaLee]

I guess you can expect others to call you whatever they wish also.  It may be how they roll.

Go for it.   I dare you!   

[libertybele]

Note to Forum:

It is highly likely and probable that I will address anyone that posts "How dare he!" as Greta.  It's how I roll.   

Sue me.

 

Let's see what can we sue for?  Steak dinner?  Our choice of scotch?   

[Chosen Daughter]

Conservatism has been under attack for quite some time; I think we can ALL at least agree on that.  What I find troubling is the blatant attack on our Constitution -- and it hasn't always just been by the left.

Right now we are witnessing a coup against this President --  he needs our support -- again, like him or not, he IS standing between us and socialism.  From what I can tell (and I haven't researched them all in depth) the DEMS opposing Trump are further to the left than even Hillary.  Pelosi has lost control of the progressive leftist in her party.  There is no accountability whatsoever on the DEM side and they will continue to push with lies and accusations (Pelosi's smear tactic) until they get their way...the public be damned regardless if they voted for Trump or not.

To sum up -- I opt (as of right now) to stand behind someone who I believe has taken this country in a more positive direction than to throw my hand up in the air because he has some flaws.  I honestly seem some positive in him and a whole lot of patriotism.

There are no guarantees that he will be re-elected and in fact because of all the corruption from the left, I personally feel his chances are slim.  What absolutely frightens my is the lengths that the left has gone to so far to overthrow this administration and there has been little oversight.

Same thing happened under Obama -- his overreach and the blatant corruption of the DOJ was unchallenged.  535 Members of Congress let him and them get away with it -- where was the oversight?

Yes, conservatism is under attack -- however I believe Trump is trying to hold onto the reigns of conservatism as best he can -- he has faced an uphill battle since day one.  I saw Cruz as our last chance of restoring this Republic and moving in a more conservative direction.  That hasn't changed.  What has changed is realizing that the only glimmer of hope that this Republic has right now is Trump; acknowledging his accomplishments and really realizing what he has endured from the left in an attempt to save this country.  No one has jumped in on the GOP side to oppose Trump which indicates to me two things; no one thinks that they can do a better job at turning things around and no one wants to battle the bat crap crazies on the left. 

Here we sit.  God help us.

Trump is his own worst enemy.  He is doing his best to destroy his own election and this thing with injuries is a good example.  He baits the left to take him on.  And with something like this he can't afford to lose support of Veterans.  Yet we are poo pooing the opinions of Vets about injuries.  He should apologize, but he won't.  If he can make enemies he will.  Himself without help from the left. 

[FeelNoPain]

Note to Forum:

It is highly likely and probable that I will address anyone that posts "How dare he!" as Greta.  It's how I roll.   

Sue me.

 

Need more Trumplike shenanigans!
Need less "Time for unity in America! (better late than never)" pablum.

[XenaLee]

Let's see what can we sue for?  Steak dinner?  Our choice of scotch?   

How about a bologna sandwich (no mayo) & Budweiser beer.   That fits my budget better.   

[Chosen Daughter]

Go for it.   I dare you!   

OK Kellyanne.

[XenaLee]

Need more Trumplike shenanigans!
Need less "Time for unity in America! (better late than never)" pablum.

Sez you.   What's wrong with unity....?   

[XenaLee]

OK Kellyanne.

Oh...ouch.   How can I ever go on??? 

Puhleeze.