Author Topic: Veterans group demands apology from Trump over comments on brain injuries (Read 4243 times)

sneakypete · « **Reply #25 on:** January 25, 2020, 05:43:09 pm »

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on January 25, 2020, 08:09:19 am

Let me help you Arne. Repeat after me...â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.Trump shouldn't have said that. You can do it.

@Chosen Daughter

I am going to help you out, (personal attack deleted).

Trump was reporting this after being told by the officers on the ground that there were no wounded. TBI isn't a freaking wound, (personal attack deleted)!

Stop with the personal attacks! - PeteS in CA

Applewood · « **Reply #26 on:** January 25, 2020, 05:43:14 pm »

Quote from: catfish1957 on January 25, 2020, 05:08:01 pm

If you were to compile a list of people or groups who Trump should apologize to for saying dumb things, it would be hundreds, if not 1000's.

But if you want to put style over substance, then that is your business. As much as I dislike Trump as a person, a POTUS Warren or Sanders is a million times worse. A united front against the socialist is needed if we want to prevent that. Holding my nose and voting for Trump in November. And unless you want Bernie or Elizabeth confiscating your 401K, I suggest the same.

Certainly, it's your right to vote for Trump in November. I'm not saying you or anyone else shouldn't -- certainly not because of this one incident.

You mention style over substance. As far as I'm concerned, Trump has neither. For the most part, he has been a failure as president, IMHO. He did not keep his campaign promises, particularly when he enjoyed a Republican majority in both houses of congress. And I don't see him doing anything differently in his second term, particularly if the Republicans lose their majority in the senate. About the only difference between Trump's second term and his first will be that he will have a different scapegoat for his failures -- a Democrat-controlled congress.

About the only thing Trump *might* do in his second term is veto any BS legislation a Democrat-controlled congress passes to further their stated agenda items -- gun confiscation, Medicare for All, what you mentioned about the 401(k)s, and so on. Notice I said *might*. I still don't trust him to protect us from the Democrats' hare brained schemes. I have yet to see him veto any legislation that has come across his desk, particularly those spending spree bills. And with a Democrat-controlled congress, he may feel there will be enough Dems to override any veto he does make.

But now I've managed to get this thread off topic. I still say Trump was wrong to say what he said and he should apologize. But I'm sure my opinion and those of others who feel the same won't make a dent with him. So no more from me.

catfish1957 · « **Reply #27 on:** January 25, 2020, 06:14:28 pm »

Quote from: Applewood on January 25, 2020, 05:43:14 pm

Certainly, it's your right to vote for Trump in November. I'm not saying you or anyone else shouldn't -- certainly not because of this one incident.

You mention style over substance. As far as I'm concerned, Trump has neither. For the most part, he has been a failure as president, IMHO. He did not keep his campaign promises, particularly when he enjoyed a Republican majority in both houses of congress. And I don't see him doing anything differently in his second term, particularly if the Republicans lose their majority in the senate. About the only difference between Trump's second term and his first will be that he will have a different scapegoat for his failures -- a Democrat-controlled congress.

About the only thing Trump *might* do in his second term is veto any BS legislation a Democrat-controlled congress passes to further their stated agenda items -- gun confiscation, Medicare for All, what you mentioned about the 401(k)s, and so on. Notice I said *might*. I still don't trust him to protect us from the Democrats' hare brained schemes. I have yet to see him veto any legislation that has come across his desk, particularly those spending spree bills. And with a Democrat-controlled congress, he may feel there will be enough Dems to override any veto he does make.

But now I've managed to get this thread off topic. I still say Trump was wrong to say what he said and he should apologize. But I'm sure my opinion and those of others who feel the same won't make a dent with him. So no more from me.

Well thought out response.

I might be a tad less harsh on his performance. I really like a POTUS who (1) finally addresses the Trade debacle that previous leaders have allowed to fester for decades. (2) address the largess of the regulatory strangulation (3) Appointment of conservative judges (4) An attempt at least to stop the scourge invasion from the south (4) Overall direction that is facilitating outstanding economic growth for the country. (5) Keystone support to help the country achieve energy independence for several lifetimes. (6) Defense funding increases

OTOH....

He has failed at (1) and IMO most important controlling the federal deficit. (2) Representing America with antics not worthy of his POTUS stature. (3) Coddling of the NORKs. (4) Though the inital final results were positive, we came dangerously close to having WW 3, with the Soleiami take out. Just think how recent history would have changed if American soldiers would have been killed. And apparently this was a close close call. I know the jury is still out there on this one. Just my take right now. (5) Though pre-POTUS, his tactics to get the nomination were dispicable, and unforgivable.

Chosen Daughter · « **Reply #28 on:** January 25, 2020, 06:38:43 pm »

Quote from: Sighlass on January 25, 2020, 12:27:50 pm

Bone Spurs...

Chosen Daughter · « **Reply #29 on:** January 25, 2020, 06:40:34 pm »

Quote from: musiclady on January 25, 2020, 01:52:32 pm

Why is that so hard??

He shouldnâ€™t have said this because traumatic brain injuries are extremely serious.

There was no need to say otherwise.

And yet he did.

That's what I wonder. Why is it so hard? If some liberal had said this there would be hell to pay.

Chosen Daughter · « **Reply #30 on:** January 25, 2020, 06:42:03 pm »

Quote from: catfish1957 on January 25, 2020, 06:14:28 pm

Well thought out response.

I might be a tad less harsh on his performance. I really like a POTUS who (1) finally addresses the Trade debacle that previous leaders have allowed to fester for decades. (2) address the largess of the regulatory strangulation (3) Appointment of conservative judges (4) An attempt at least to stop the scourge invasion from the south (4) Overall direction that is facilitating outstanding economic growth for the country. (5) Keystone support to help the country achieve energy independence for several lifetimes. (6) Defense funding increases

OTOH....

He has failed at (1) and IMO most important controlling the federal deficit. (2) Representing America with antics not worthy of his POTUS stature. (3) Coddling of the NORKs. (4) Though the inital final results were positive, we came dangerously close to having WW 3, with the Soleiami take out. Just think how recent history would have changed if American soldiers would have been killed. And apparently this was a close close call. I know the jury is still out there on this one. Just my take right now. (5) Though pre-POTUS, his tactics to get the nomination were dispicable, and unforgivable.

Excellent post. Fair assessment.

musiclady · « **Reply #31 on:** January 25, 2020, 06:42:06 pm »

Quote from: Applewood on January 25, 2020, 04:30:12 pm

Guys, this has nothing to do with the sham impeachment going on now. Separate matter entirely. And to be fair --this is not the only article about Trump's misstep. Others have noticed and also believe he should be a man and apologize.

My question continues to be, why is it so hard for his supporters to admit he made a mistake in minimizing the injuries of our troops with this thoughtless comment?

If his most ardent fans would just say , yeah, he goofed up here (which he clearly did), it would be a lot easier to take them seriously.

Instead, they level personal attacks against those who dare suggest that this was the wrong thing for him to say.

And in doing so, look thoughtless themselves.....

If my son were injured and his life of suffering minimized by his Commander in Chief, I would be furious.

Chosen Daughter · « **Reply #32 on:** January 25, 2020, 06:46:24 pm »

Quote from: Applewood on January 25, 2020, 05:43:14 pm

Certainly, it's your right to vote for Trump in November. I'm not saying you or anyone else shouldn't -- certainly not because of this one incident.

You mention style over substance. As far as I'm concerned, Trump has neither. For the most part, he has been a failure as president, IMHO. He did not keep his campaign promises, particularly when he enjoyed a Republican majority in both houses of congress. And I don't see him doing anything differently in his second term, particularly if the Republicans lose their majority in the senate. About the only difference between Trump's second term and his first will be that he will have a different scapegoat for his failures -- a Democrat-controlled congress.

About the only thing Trump *might* do in his second term is veto any BS legislation a Democrat-controlled congress passes to further their stated agenda items -- gun confiscation, Medicare for All, what you mentioned about the 401(k)s, and so on. Notice I said *might*. I still don't trust him to protect us from the Democrats' hare brained schemes. I have yet to see him veto any legislation that has come across his desk, particularly those spending spree bills. And with a Democrat-controlled congress, he may feel there will be enough Dems to override any veto he does make.

But now I've managed to get this thread off topic. I still say Trump was wrong to say what he said and he should apologize. But I'm sure my opinion and those of others who feel the same won't make a dent with him. So no more from me.

You didn't get off track. Others here are posting off track in support of Trump. You have however corralled your post back to the topic and truth. He should apologize. The only reason why anyone would argue against apologizing is their undying love of Trump. To say he should apologize would be out of character for the Never criticize Trump crowd. They have to maintain a 24/7 support team no matter what the president says or does.

Chosen Daughter · « **Reply #33 on:** January 25, 2020, 06:51:45 pm »

Quote from: musiclady on January 25, 2020, 06:42:06 pm

My question continues to be, why is it so hard for his supporters to admit he made a mistake in minimizing the injuries of our troops with this thoughtless comment?

If his most ardent fans would just say , yeah, he goofed up here (which he clearly did), it would be a lot easier to take them seriously.

Instead, they level personal attacks against those who dare suggest that this was the wrong thing for him to say.

And in doing so, look thoughtless themselves.....

If my son were injured and his life of suffering minimized by his Commander in Chief, I would be furious.

Amen, Not one person here has the right to minimize any soldiers suffering. Even the Veterans who's comments appear to be clouded by their job to protect the president from any criticism. Even if its earned. I bet if it had been Clinton or Schiff who had minimized any injuries of our troops there would be hell to pay. They are simply dissing the suffering of their fellow soldiers to uplift Trump in his fight against the left. The war against Trump. That makes them soldiers in the defense of Donald Trump. All other ties are broken.

catfish1957 · « **Reply #34 on:** January 25, 2020, 06:54:04 pm »

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on January 25, 2020, 06:46:24 pm

You didn't get off track. Others here are posting off track in support of Trump. You have however corralled your post back to the topic and truth. He should apologize. The only reason why anyone would argue against apologizing is their undying love of Trump. To say he should apologize would be out of character for the Never criticize Trump crowd. They have to maintain a 24/7 support team no matter what the president says or does.

Truly pathological narcissist never apologize for anything. Not saying that precludes him from being an effective POTUS, but ......

Don't worry, I agree, but just don't hold your breath thinking you will see a sudden DJT empathatic streak coming.

Chosen Daughter · « **Reply #35 on:** January 25, 2020, 07:00:30 pm »

Quote from: catfish1957 on January 25, 2020, 06:54:04 pm

Truly pathological narcissist never apologize for anything. Not saying that precludes him from being an effective POTUS, but ......

Don't worry, I agree, but just don't hold your breath thinking you will see a sudden DJT empathatic streak coming.

I won't. Unfortunate for Trump because he should take seriously the concern of Veterans. In the coming weeks and months this story is likely to grow as they learn what long term medical problems come from those injuries. Families might even speak out.

musiclady · « **Reply #36 on:** January 25, 2020, 07:01:00 pm »

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on January 25, 2020, 06:51:45 pm

Amen, Not one person here has the right to minimize any soldiers suffering. Even the Veterans who's comments appear to be clouded by their job to protect the president from any criticism. Even if its earned. I bet if it had been Clinton or Schiff who had minimized any injuries of our troops there would be hell to pay. They are simply dissing the suffering of their fellow soldiers to uplift Trump in his fight against the left. The war against Trump. That makes them soldiers in the defense of Donald Trump. All other ties are broken.

Good points all.

This one is black and white. What he said was inexcusable..... and I'd like to think that, even if I loved Trump, as the daughter and mother of Vets, I would have the discernment to admit this was a horrible thing for him to say, and that he should apologize.

Apologizing is not a weakness. It is an imaginary "strength" that his followers attach to him in saying that he should never apologize for anything.

NOT apologizing for clear wrongs is what is weak.

musiclady · « **Reply #37 on:** January 25, 2020, 07:01:47 pm »

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on January 25, 2020, 07:00:30 pm

I won't. Unfortunate for Trump because he should take seriously the concern of Veterans. In the coming weeks and months this story is likely to grow as they learn what long term medical problems come from those injuries. Families might even speak out.

I hope they do.

XenaLee · « **Reply #38 on:** January 25, 2020, 07:01:54 pm »

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on January 25, 2020, 06:46:24 pm

You didn't get off track. Others here are posting off track in support of Trump. You have however corralled your post back to the topic and truth. He should apologize. The only reason why anyone would argue against apologizing is their undying love of Trump. To say he should apologize would be out of character for the Never criticize Trump crowd. They have to maintain a 24/7 support team no matter what the president says or does.

Um..... I don't have "undying love of Trump". Far from it, in fact. Yet I am indeed arguing that what Trump said was accurate. No, the TBI injuries are NOT "as serious" as injuries such as loss of limbs, critical burn unjuries or other fatal or near fatal injuries. But those that loathe Trump (you know who you are) will jump on ANY word or phrase he utters and use it to bash him. It's just how the Trump-haters roll.... as they have shown right here ad nauseam.

Question... if the injuries were so serious, how come half of the soldiers are already back on the job? If those injuries were so serious, wouldn't they all still be in the hospital receiving treatment? (rhetorical, natch)

I'm a military brat and have always supported the US military. I see Trump as the direct opposite of every swingin d (no, Democrat... not what you were thinkin) on the left, especially including Obama. To now bash Trump using the US Military is not just absurd.... it's typically asinine of those that attempt it. Just sayin....

musiclady · « **Reply #39 on:** January 25, 2020, 07:05:13 pm »

Quote from: XenaLee on January 25, 2020, 07:01:54 pm

Um..... I don't have "undying love of Trump". Far from it, in fact. Yet I am indeed arguing that what Trump said was accurate. No, the TBI injuries are NOT "as serious" as injuries such as loss of limbs, critical burn unjuries or other fatal or near fatal injuries. But those that loathe Trump (you know who you are) will jump on ANY word or phrase he utters and use it to bash him. It's just how the Trump-haters roll.... as they have shown right here ad nauseam.

Question... if the injuries were so serious, how come half of the soldiers are already back on the job? If those injuries were so serious, wouldn't they all still be in the hospital receiving treatment? (rhetorical, natch)

I'm a military brat and have always supported the US military. I see Trump as the direct opposite of every swingin d (no, Democrat... not what you were thinkin) on the left, especially including Obama. To now bash Trump using the US Military is not just absurd.... it's typically asinine of those that attempt it. Just sayin....

There is absolutely NOTHING 'asinine' about admitting that Trump should not have minimized the pain of these troops.

It doesn't mean that one doesn't realize that Trump supports the troops more than any Dem ever has or ever will to admit that he was wrong.

In fact, it lends credibility to ones support to admit that he was wrong......

XenaLee · « **Reply #40 on:** January 25, 2020, 07:09:42 pm »

Quote from: musiclady on January 25, 2020, 07:05:13 pm

There is absolutely NOTHING 'asinine' about admitting that Trump should not have minimized the pain of these troops.

It doesn't mean that one doesn't realize that Trump supports the troops more than any Dem ever has or ever will to admit that he was wrong.

In fact, it lends credibility to ones support to admit that he was wrong......

The problem is... you are parsing what he actually said... and making it into an insult that you are falsely perceiving. He didn't minimize anything. What he actually said was 100% accurate. Once you extract and remove the emotionalism and analyze the actual words, critically....his claim was correct. So why should he apologize for saying something that was true?

Chosen Daughter · « **Reply #41 on:** January 25, 2020, 07:14:59 pm »

Quote from: XenaLee on January 25, 2020, 07:01:54 pm

Um..... I don't have "undying love of Trump". Far from it, in fact. Yet I am indeed arguing that what Trump said was accurate. No, the TBI injuries are NOT "as serious" as injuries such as loss of limbs, critical burn unjuries or other fatal or near fatal injuries. But those that loathe Trump (you know who you are) will jump on ANY word or phrase he utters and use it to bash him. It's just how the Trump-haters roll.... as they have shown right here ad nauseam.

Question... if the injuries were so serious, how come half of the soldiers are already back on the job? If those injuries were so serious, wouldn't they all still be in the hospital receiving treatment? (rhetorical, natch)

I'm a military brat and have always supported the US military. I see Trump as the direct opposite of every swingin d (no, Democrat... not what you were thinkin) on the left, especially including Obama. To now bash Trump using the US Military is not just absurd.... it's typically asinine of those that attempt it. Just sayin....

Half of them returned to duty because their injuries were not serious. Others stayed in Germany. Some were flown home for treatment. It isn't up to you or Trump to decide if their injuries are serious. It isn't you who will have long term medical problems that can't be fixed with prosthetics. From that list I posted I doubt that you would like to live with headaches or seizures for the rest of your life. Or an early Altzheimer's diagnoses resulting from those injuries. (see link) Loss of memory. Loss of ability to function. How dare you.

Someone should knock you in the head with a huge piece of metal shrapnel and we could tell you not to complain about your headache.

XenaLee · « **Reply #42 on:** January 25, 2020, 07:19:12 pm »

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on January 25, 2020, 07:14:59 pm

Half of them returned to duty because their injuries were not serious. Others stayed in Germany. Some were flown home for treatment. It isn't up to you or Trump to decide if their injuries are serious. It isn't you who will have long term medical problems that can't be fixed with prosthetics. From that list I posted I doubt that you would like to live with headaches or seizures for the rest of your life. Or an early Altzheimer's diagnoses resulting from those injuries. (see link) Loss of memory. Loss of ability to function. How dare you.

No, apparently, Greta.... it's up to you and the other Trump-haters..... to 'decide' how serious their injuries are (half are back on duty)... even if/when you don't know the details. All you know is that you hate Trump and this is as good as any verbal attack you can utilize.

Ho hum. You need some new shtick. This is getting boring as hell.

libertybele · « **Reply #43 on:** January 25, 2020, 07:21:35 pm »

Quote from: Mesaclone on January 25, 2020, 03:49:05 pm

I'm a vet...many on here are also combat vets. This is a stupid hit piece, no more. These folks got concussed and that's something that needs to be treated...and is. The President and the nation honor their service and their courage. And yes, the president cares for these folks and nothing he stated contradicts that, but the truth is that in a major rocket attack such as the one that occurred, this kind of injury toll is miraculously minor. The President has done more to reform and improve VA med treatment than any President in my lifetime...and I go to the my local VA facility every month for treatment (so I KNOW of what I speak).

This article, and this attitude towards the President, are just flat out absurd. The author and those promoting this garbage should be ashamed.

Coming from a vet -- thank you for your input -- and your service.

truth_seeker · « **Reply #44 on:** January 25, 2020, 07:35:48 pm »

I am a vet. I am a Trump supporter. I incurred a TBI (not service related) some 20 months ago.

My neurologist stated the brain is the organ, that heals the most slowly.

My brain surgeon stated the symptoms would "resolve," but no timeframes.

Nobody knows with certainty the precise outcomes. The President wisely passed along the information he got, from military and medical experts.

So Greta Daughter and friends, thanks for continuing to demonstrate TDS.

aligncare · « **Reply #45 on:** January 25, 2020, 07:37:38 pm »

Donald Trump could never apologize enough for his critics. Maybe when he reached a point where he finally says, â€œOkay, I apologize for my existence.â€

But, anyone think that last apology would stops the attacks?

No, they wonâ€™t ever give him the respect heâ€™s due as president. He should give them exactly NOTHING.

PeteS in CA · « **Reply #46 on:** January 25, 2020, 07:39:40 pm »

OK, folks, lets drop the personal snips and snarks about each others' character and objects of "worship".

Chosen Daughter · « **Reply #47 on:** January 25, 2020, 07:54:43 pm »

Quote from: truth_seeker on January 25, 2020, 07:35:48 pm

I am a vet. I am a Trump supporter. I incurred a TBI (not service related) some 20 months ago.

My neurologist stated the brain is the organ, that heals the most slowly.

My brain surgeon stated the symptoms would "resolve," but no timeframes.

Nobody knows with certainty the precise outcomes. The President wisely passed along the information he got, from military and medical experts.

So Greta Daughter and friends, thanks for continuing to demonstrate TDS.

If I am going to be addressed as Greta I should know who it is I am being compared to. As for your TBI I am sorry. But it sounds like yours will resolve with time. Doesn't have anything to do with other people's diagnosis. There are different severities of TBI. No the president didn't give the information he got. Otherwise he would have separated the mild who went back to their jobs. The ones still being treated in Germany, and the ones sent back home for treatment. You are not a doctor either. the link I posted said that TBI's can lead to Altzheimer's . That's about as serious as it gets.

If he was addressing the information he had he wouldn't have said none of them are serious. Or that it was headache.

EdinVA · « **Reply #48 on:** January 25, 2020, 07:59:14 pm »

Quote from: aligncare on January 25, 2020, 07:37:38 pm

Donald Trump could never apologize enough for his critics. Maybe when he reached a point where he finally says, â€œOkay, I apologize for my existence.â€

But, anyone think that last apology would stops the attacks?

No, they wonâ€™t ever give him the respect heâ€™s due as president. He should give them exactly NOTHING.

@aligncare
We are a nation of professional snarks, no way to please the perpetually offended...

Applewood · « **Reply #49 on:** January 25, 2020, 08:00:43 pm »

Quote from: PeteS in CA on January 25, 2020, 07:39:40 pm

OK, folks, lets drop the personal snips and snarks about each others' character and objects of "worship".

You must be new here. Sniping and snarking and calling people names seems to be a favorite pastime for many. And it's not just here. Civil discourse is dying and has been for a number of years. Might already be dead.