Veterans group demands apology from Trump over comments on brain injuries

[libertybele]

How about a bologna sandwich (no mayo) & Budweiser beer.   That fits my budget better.   

Yikes  --- oh come on -- we're now upping the ante.  Prime rib dinner with au jus; horseradish mashed potatoes, grilled asparagus and top shelf scotch.  Keep pushing and we'll sue you for desert too!   

[Chosen Daughter]

Oh...ouch.   How can I ever go on??? 

Puhleeze.

Way to kind of me.  I must think of some KKK name for you or something.  If you are referring to me as the Greta kid that's the environmentalist you are just as big of liar as Trump.  I have nothing in common with that girl.

But I was kind.  You do resemble Kellyanne Conway. 

Here is my new name for you.  Margaret, as in Sanger.  If we are going to call people names that have nothing to do with them.  There is an ugly one for you.

[XenaLee]

Yikes  --- oh come on -- we're now upping the ante.  Prime rib dinner with au jus; horseradish mashed potatoes, grilled asparagus and top shelf scotch.  Keep pushing and we'll sue you for desert too!   

Let me guess..... Tiramisu.   Or perhaps Tres Leches (that's racist!) cake.   Hmm...

now I'm hungry.   Thanks a lot!   

[XenaLee]

Way to kind of me.  I must think of some KKK name for you or something.  If you are referring to me as the Greta kid that's the environmentalist you are just as big of liar as Trump.  I have nothing in common with that girl.

But I was kind.  You do resemble Kellyanne Conway. 

Here is my new name for you.  Margaret, as in Sanger.  If we are going to call people names that have nothing to do with them.  There is an ugly one for you.

Lol.... you keep posting that "How dare he!" and yeah.... the comparison will be made.   You must be new to forum sarc.   New to US news, also (didn't know who Greta was?).   Odd, that.

[Chosen Daughter]

Lol.... you keep posting that "How dare he!" and yeah.... the comparison will be made.   You must be new to forum sarc.   New to US news, also (didn't know who Greta was?).   Odd, that.

I didn't.  I could care less about the kid.  I only figured it out by entering Greta into the search bar.  That's how much I care about her and her agenda.  You are the only one looking like an idiot.

Does the little girls scare you?

[libertybele]

Let me guess..... Tiramisu.   Or perhaps Tres Leches (that's racist!) cake.   Hmm...

now I'm hungry.   Thanks a lot!   

Lol ... yeppers -- Tiramisu. 

On the note -- dinner is just about done -- out of here for awhile.

[Mod2]

You are the only one looking like an idiot.

Does the little girls scare you?

That's enough. All of you, stop with the silly name-calling.

[musiclady]

And again....

sue me.

Clever.   


(Not).


I'm off the thread, Lord willing and the river don't rise.   


Nothing more to say here, other than saying once more that the injured troops deserve an apology for his minimizing what happened to them.

[roamer_1]

I'm not a Trump fan.  Everyone knows that.

But I'll take a Gaffe-a-minute POTUS Trump over a POTUS Sanders or Warren any day of the week.

Classic 'lesser evil' argument - logically flawed, as I am sure you know.

Several years ago as a Manager, we were all into the Myers-Briggs personality trait fad, and as managers we were to administer these tests, find out which of the 16 personality types each employee was, and then fashion our mgt. style to best extract the best performance from each employee.  As complicated as it sounds, it worked pretty well (90% success IMO)

Outside the so called "tolerance aspect" Trump is a classical  ESTP.  I won't bore you with the technical details of how that is discerned, but one of the most glaring traits of an ESTP, is that these folks are famous for saying right off the top of their head what's on their mind, without any pre-cognitive thought.   These kinds drive "ISTJ"'s like me crazy.  But once you filter that fluff, "ESTP's" tend to be the most innovative of all people. 

I am familiar. INTJ  ... And while I set little store by these studies, that may be part of why he rubs me so wrong, too. INTJ are also innovators, but far looking. Critical path. Efficiencies. Logical structures. A friggin PLAN. Chaos players are death.

[sneakypete]

No, apparently, Greta.... it's up to you and the other Trump-haters..... to 'decide' how serious their injuries are (half are back on duty)... even if/when you don't know the details.  All you know is that you hate Trump and this is as good as any verbal attack you can utilize.

Ho hum.   You need some new shtick.   This is getting boring as hell.

@XenaLee

Most of these whiners are lying and know it. What happened is that when Trump made a call to find out what happened,he most likely asked about killed and wounded,and was told nobody was killed or wounded,so he said something to that effect. Then these pansies chime in with Traumatic Brain Disorder/concussion so they can claim Trump was lying.

I had a brain concussion from an accident while flat track motorcycle racing a year or so before I went to VN. Had a form on amnesia for several months. I could remember who I was and recognize people I knew,but that was about it. Roughly a year later I was running missions in VN.

[sneakypete]

I'm a vet...many on here are also combat vets. This is a stupid hit piece, no more. These folks got concussed and that's something that needs to be treated...and is. The President and the nation honor their service and their courage. And yes, the president cares for these folks and nothing he stated contradicts that, but the truth is that in a major rocket attack such as the one that occurred, this kind of injury toll is miraculously minor. The President has done more to reform and improve VA med treatment than any President in my lifetime...and I go to the my local VA facility every month for treatment (so I KNOW of what I speak).

This article, and this attitude towards the President, are just flat out absurd.  The author and those promoting this garbage should be ashamed.

@Mesaclone

EVERY SINGLE WORD true.

[Applewood]

@Applewood and @libertybele I am relatively new here, but I have been on Internet discussion forums since 1997. In that time I've seen forums torn apart by snipping and sniping that devolved into near-flaming (here's an example, http://www.goldtalk.com/forum/index.php ... 15 years or so ago it was as or more busy than TBR). Personal stuff contributes nothing to the discussion of issues and the potential outcomes are worth avoiding.

I should have marked my remarks as a feeble attempt at sarcasm.  I know personal attacks are verboten here and for good reason.  However, the prohibition doesn't seem to deter some people.  Sometimes I think we need a time out on some threads till people either calm down or sober up. 

I really don't do social media except for this site and one other because I've been called more than a few names and even threatened with bodily harm on some social media  We are lucky here that the mods do a good job of keeping things from getting out of hand.  On a number of other sites, the owners or moderators really don't give a *bleep*.

[sneakypete]

Nobody knows with certainty the precise outcomes. The President wisely passed along the information he got, from military and medical experts.

 
 

@truth_seeker

ALL of who served knows what happened. Trump called the senior officer there,and asked "How many were killed or wounded?". The General TRUTHFULLY answered "None" because a concussion is not considered to be a wound,so Trump tells everybody no soldiers were hurt or killed in the attack,which is what he believes to be true,based on what he was told.

[sneakypete]

Did you see the list of symptoms of TBI?

Saying they are just ‘headaches’ is minimizing the seriousness of what happened.

That’s not parsing anything, nor is it emotionalism.

He should not have said what he did and should apologize.

The inability to apologize is no form of strength.  It is a serious weakness.

@musiclady

Are you a military doctor or nurse? No,you are not,or you would know a concussion/TBI is not considered to be a wound. YOU and those like you are the ones that need to be apologizing.

[sneakypete]

All @Chosen Daughter has to do is post an article and she is subjected to personal attacks from multiple posters...... some despicable.



I guarantee that the mindless insults keep rational, thoughtful people away.....

@musiclady

ROFLMAO!  And you no doubt consider yourself to be one of the "rational,thoughtful people" who post here,right?

[sneakypete]

Donald J. Trump currently IS President of the United States and is very likely to remain so until Jan 21, 2025 whether YOU like it or not.and all of this constant nitpickin BS is serving no purpose other than to drive good people away from this site.

I'm done!

@Bigun

Which,of course is why they are here. These are women who miss the old "A day in the life" threads on FR,where the biddies all get together and talk about how hot that homo Boy Jorge looks in his tight jeans as he pretends to cut brush at Camp Photo Op.

[Chosen Daughter]

@musiclady

Are you a military doctor or nurse? No,you are not,or you would know a concussion/TBI is not considered to be a wound. YOU and those like you are the ones that need to be apologizing.

Yes it is considered a serious injury.  You may not call it wound being it is not open injury but injury it is.  it can be very serious and is recognized by the Military as a injury, potentially serious with serious possible disability.


Severe TBI
This injury usually results from a significant closed head injury, as in an automobile accident or most open or penetrating injuries, where there may be considerable residual deficits of brain function.
Depending on the injury, a severe TBI could impact speech, sensory, vision and cognitive deficits including difficulties with attention, memory, concentration, and impulsiveness.
What are the Consequences of TBI?
TBI can cause a number of difficulties for the person who is injured. This can include physical changes, changes in behavior, or problems with thinking skills.
After an injury, a number of symptoms might be noted including headaches, dizziness/problems walking, fatigue, irritability, memory problems and problems paying attention.
These symptoms are often related to how severe the brain injury was at the time of injury, but there is much that is not understood, and this isn't always the case. Every person is different.

https://www.military.com/benefits/veterans-health-care/traumatic-brain-injury-overview.html

Those look like things that could cause permanent disability if the injury is severe.

[Chosen Daughter]

@Bigun

Which,of course is why they are here. These are women who miss the old "A day in the life" threads on FR,where the biddies all get together and talk about how hot that homo Boy Jorge looks in his tight jeans as he pretends to cut brush at Camp Photo Op.

How long do we have to listen to this?  We can't even have a serious discussion.

[mystery-ak]

@Bigun

Which,of course is why they are here. These are women who miss the old "A day in the life" threads on FR,where the biddies all get together and talk about how hot that homo Boy Jorge looks in his tight jeans as he pretends to cut brush at Camp Photo Op.

I was one of those biddies...that group helped me get through 2 tours of Iraq for my husband and 1 tour for my son....and the same for @musiclady as her son was there when my husband was...if it wasn't for those *biddies* I would have lost my mind with worry

[sneakypete]

Yes it is considered a serious injury.  You may not call it wound being it is not open injury but injury it is.  it can be very serious and is recognized by the Military as a injury, potentially serious with serious possible disability.


 

@Chosen Daughter

So,are you FINALLY admitting Trump wasn't lying?

[sneakypete]

How long do we have to listen to this?  We can't even have a serious discussion.

@Chosen Daughter

Hit close to home did it?

[Chosen Daughter]

I was one of those biddies...that group helped me get through 2 tours of Iraq for my husband and 1 tour for my son....and the same for @musiclady as her son was there when my husband was...if it wasn't for those *biddies* I would have lost my mind with worry

I didn't know.  Sounds like you husband is home now?  Thank him for his service.  Thanks to all our troops who serve and their families who serve also as wives and husbands and have to worry about them while they are away.  To @musiclady also.  I appreciate you, and the things you have been through as a mother.   

[sneakypete]

I was one of those biddies...that group helped me get through 2 tours of Iraq for my husband and 1 tour for my son....and the same for @musiclady as her son was there when my husband was...if it wasn't for those *biddies* I would have lost my mind with worry

@mystery-ak

They did nothing to protect your husband or son. There was nothing they COULD do to protect them. They just offered you moral support.

[Chosen Daughter]

@Chosen Daughter

So,are you FINALLY admitting Trump wasn't lying?

No, I am not. Listen to the video.  He belittled the injury.  Compared it to a headache.  He isn't a Dr.  Injury is a wound even if it isn't open.  Do you need your brain?  Do you have one?

[EdinVA]

@mystery-ak

They did nothing to protect your husband or son. There was nothing they COULD do to protect them. They just offered you moral support.

@sneakypete
Sometimes that moral support is that important... it was a rough year for us when my son was over there but we had family close by..