Why Trump Is Right to Withdraw Troops

[edpc]

We are neither the global policeman or babysitter.

Until the next time Assad puts too much chlorine in the palace pool, Trump calls it a chemical attack, we launch more cruise missiles, and you cheer it on.

[sneakypete]

Until the next time Assad puts too much chlorine in the palace pool, Trump calls it a chemical attack, we launch more cruise missiles, and you cheer it on.

@edpc

You must have been looking in a mirror when you typed that,bubba. The last time I got booted from FR was over my bitching about the upcoming Boy Jorge invasion of Iraq. I told everybody he was the only useful ally we had in the region,and if Boy Jorge wanted to do something useful he could take out hits on the Saud family.

[libertybele]

Counting on us does NOT mean we are yours for life @Bigun   It means we will pull you up and out, but you must stand on your own.

Other nations can help the Kurds now, as are SA and the UAE.  If that's not enough, the Israelis can pitch in.

We are neither the global policeman or babysitter.

We'll soon find out IF they truly can stand on their own or are we leaving this area wide open AGAIN for ISIS to take hold twofold?

With ISLAM/Muslims being integrated into our schools, Congress, and Sharia laws challenged in our courts, the last things this country needs is to let ISIS regain more power.

We are not the global police or babysitters, but we still have troops in place throughout the world. This has been done over the years for a reason.

[Bigun]

We'll soon find out IF they truly can stand on their own or are we leaving this area wide open AGAIN for ISIS to take hold twofold?

With ISLAM/Muslims being integrated into our schools, Congress, and Sharia laws challenged in our courts, the last things this country needs is to let ISIS regain more power.

We are not the global police or babysitters, but we still have troops in place throughout the world. This has been done over the years for a reason.

The bottom line is that the Mullahs are going to have to be removed from power in Iran if there is ever to be any peace in the ME and anyone who fails to recognize that fact is completely blind IMHO.  Thank you Jimmuh Caaaaata for bringing those bastards back!

[aligncare]

Good guess. So let me ask you a question....

You might want to also consider the decision to leave Syria followed a conversation between Erdogan and Trump by about a week. Also, one of the problems Trump had with regional players was the potential they’d purchase military hardware from Russia or China. Turkey had been considering the Russian S-400 for air defense. Just this week, they received authorization to acquire our Patriot system. Do you find all those events to be coincidental?

President Trump makes a deal. Say it ain’t so. But, if in return we got to take some troops out of harms way, and earn some green off the sale of hardware to a regional player – along with the strategically important American support, training and system maintainability (important to keep a hand in the region if not our boot prints). Then maybe with all that, we can afford to splurge on an Invasion Defense System of our very own, a southern border wall in plain English.

[Sanguine]

President Trump makes a deal. Say it ain’t so. But, if in return we got to take some troops out of harms way, and earn some green off the sale of hardware to a regional player – along with the strategically important American support, training and system maintainability (important to keep a hand in the region if not our boot prints). Then maybe with all that, we can afford to splurge on an Invasion Defense System of our very own, a southern border wall in plain English.

You do realize that this "deal" includes the tacit approval of the destruction of the Kurds, do you not? 

[Frank Cannon]

We'll soon find out IF they truly can stand on their own or are we leaving this area wide open AGAIN for ISIS to take hold twofold?

With ISLAM/Muslims being integrated into our schools, Congress, and Sharia laws challenged in our courts, the last things this country needs is to let ISIS regain more power.

We are not the global police or babysitters, but we still have troops in place throughout the world. This has been done over the years for a reason.

We have also gotten involved with places over the years that ended up getting way worse and becoming a mess. We started with an invasion of Iraq in 1991 that turned into constant shooting over a no fly zone for 10 years and then another invasion that ended up being another long drawn out war and we still don't have real stability there.

[Bigun]

We have also gotten involved with places over the years that ended up getting way worse and becoming a mess. We started with an invasion of Iraq in 1991 that turned into constant shooting over a no fly zone for 10 years and then another invasion that ended up being another long drawn out war and we still don't have real stability there.

@Frank Cannon

And there will NEVER be an stability there for so long as Jimmuh Caaata's Mullahs are allowed to remain in power in Iran!

[Frank Cannon]

@Frank Cannon

And there will NEVER be an stability there for so long as Jimmuh Caaata's Mullahs are allowed to remain in power in Iran!

I couldn't agree more, but as usual we take half measures, dick around with 2000 troops in Syria, get into proxy wars with Russia and China, fund this group and that group with all of that getting us back to the same problem we have had since 1979. I'm done with it.

[skeeter]

@Frank Cannon

And there will NEVER be an stability there for so long as Jimmuh Caaata's Mullahs are allowed to remain in power in Iran!

Yes. And the mullahs should be dealt with directly - we should be supporting movements within the iran that stand a far better chance of actually changing the leadership there. No more proxy wars, which only seem to tighten their grip.

[Bigun]

Yes. And the mullahs should be dealt with directly - we should be supporting movements within the iran that stand a far better chance of actually changing the leadership there. No more proxy wars, which only seem to tighten their grip.

@skeeter

  Brother!  and  again!

[Absalom]

The Kurds were offered bounties for killing Armenians and some took that up. Calling them the instrument of the genocide, I'm not so sure about.

They certainly defeated ISIS with USA/coalition airpower primarily. ISIS has committed genocide.

Now, these Kurds are actually, an offshoot to an extent of some sort of Socialist/Communist party, really but I don't know if that is pervasive.

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The Ottoman Military organized the Hamidiye Brigades among the Kurds to carry out mass deportations/executions which resulted in the death of some 1,500,000 Armenian civilians.
Most emphatically it was NOT some sort of random act by a few disgruntled Kurds.

[Sanguine]

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The Ottoman Military organized the Hamidiye Brigades among the Kurds to carry out mass deportations/executions which resulted in the death of some 1,500,000 Armenian civilians.
Most emphatically it was NOT some sort of random act by a few disgruntled Kurds.

You're absolutely right.  Because the great grandparents of these people did a horrible thing over a 100 years ago, we should let them be exterminated.

[libertybele]

Meanwhile:

Kurdish Fighters Discuss Releasing Almost 3,200 ISIS Prisoners

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/20/world/middleeast/isis-syria-prisoner-release-trump.html

[sneakypete]

I couldn't agree more, but as usual we take half measures, dick around with 2000 troops in Syria, get into proxy wars with Russia and China, fund this group and that group with all of that getting us back to the same problem we have had since 1979. I'm done with it.

@Amb. Frank Cannon

How are the Generals children supposed to get THEIR stars if there are no wars,and how are the Generals supposed to be able to retire to some cushy think tank to peddle influence if there are no wars?

[Cyber Liberty]

Meanwhile:

Kurdish Fighters Discuss Releasing Almost 3,200 ISIS Prisoners

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/20/world/middleeast/isis-syria-prisoner-release-trump.html

Then there's this...

Christian Fighters Abandon Anti-ISIS Kurd Group Because It's Communist

http://fortressamerica.gawker.com/christian-fighters-abandon-anti-isis-kurd-group-because-1687800274

[Bigun]

Then there's this...

Christian Fighters Abandon Anti-ISIS Kurd Group Because It's Communist

http://fortressamerica.gawker.com/christian-fighters-abandon-anti-isis-kurd-group-because-1687800274

I say that is fake news of the first order!

[rustynail]

Afghanistan: Where Empires Go to Die.

[Cyber Liberty]

I say that is fake news of the first order!

Well, it's Gawker so yeah....

[edpc]

Senator Graham calls for hearings on troops in Syria, Afghanistan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican Senator Lindsey Graham on Friday called for immediate U.S. Senate hearings on President Donald Trump's decision to withdraw all American troops from Syria, which prompted the resignation of Defense Secretary Jim Mattis.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-u-sen-graham-calls-hearings-syria-afghanistan-182107448.html

[Fishrrman]

libertybele wrote:
"With ISLAM/Muslims being integrated into our schools, Congress, and Sharia laws challenged in our courts, the last things this country needs is to let ISIS regain more power."

No, libertybele.

How much "power" isis has or doesn't have, doesn't really matter in the overall scheme of things.

Groups like isis rise and then fall back.
Like al qaeda
Like the taliban
Like the muslim brotherhood
Like the mullahs in Iran
And on... and on.
This has been going on for... 1,400 years now.

Your premise is wrong because even though you see the trees (the first part of your quote, above), you cannot perceive the forest in which they are growing.

isis is no more than "the hand" of the enemy we face.
Cut off that hand, and another will soon grow to take its place.
It's "in the book".
And the guy who wrote the book... is who we "are fighting".

We can't kill him, because he has been dead for fourteen centuries.
Yet his struggle remains.
And it is against.... us.

Well, again, you can see where the battle is being fought, and who in fact is winning:
"With ISLAM/Muslims being integrated into our schools, Congress, and Sharia laws challenged in our courts"

That's where "the war" is.
Not "there".
But... HERE.
That's where it will be won or lost.
NOT in Syria, Iraq, or Afghanistan.

So I ask, once again:
Who's winning...?

[NavyCanDo]

Here is what is wrong with the whole thing:


1. ISIS isn't gone. They are still around.
2. He should have told his generals and his officials in what he was doing. NOT TWEET IT.
3. He stabbed our Kurdiish allies in the back.
4. It would allow Russia to have influence in the region again.

And now Kurdish fighters are threatening to release 3000 ISIS prisoners. What could go wrong.

[Cyber Liberty]

And now Kurdish fighters are threatening to release 3000 ISIS prisoners. What could go wrong.

About that story of the Kurds, releasing all those ISIS....stop and think how ridiculous that would be.  That would be like turning loose a whole prisoner of war camp, in your own town.

They aren't about to do it.

[Sanguine]

About that story of the Kurds, releasing all those ISIS....stop and think how ridiculous that would be.  That would be like turning loose a whole prisoner of war camp, in your own town.

They aren't about to do it.

Yes, that doesn't make any sense.

[Absalom]

Afghanistan: Where Empires Go to Die.

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Wrong.
It's where Alexander the Great established his!!!