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Ed Whelan of Bench Memos yesterday defended Judge Brett Kavanaugh’s jurisprudence in a host of areas, including religious liberty. I have great respect for Whelan. I have long been an admirer of his blog, checking it daily. But I fear he may be either working too hastily under time pressure, or blinded by his friendship with Kavanaugh, and in any case is mistaken in his defense of the judge’s religious-liberty jurisprudence. This explains in doctrinal detail why that is so.

Whelan first defends Kavanaugh in the case of Newdow v. Roberts, wherein the infamous atheist and serial litigator (Newdow) and others challenged the language of “so help me God” in the presidential oath as well as prayers at the presidential inauguration as violations of the Establishment Clause. 603 F.3d 1002 (D.C. Cir. 2010). Whelan points to Kavanaugh’s separate opinion where he reached the merits and found that the challenge fails.

The problem isn’t Kavanaugh’s analysis on the merits, which seems fine. It’s that Kavanaugh, disagreeing with the majority, even reached the merits at all. To do so, he had to find—and did find—that the plaintiffs had standing to bring the challenge because of offended-observer status. In other words, Kavanaugh’s opinion stands for the proposition (although he doesn’t use these words) that under the Establishment and Speech Clauses, the psychological harm of being offended is a sufficient injury to trigger the jurisdiction of a federal court to hear one’s lawsuit.

Kavanaugh concedes that “t is true that the [Supreme] Court did not pause to expressly address standing in those religious display and speech decisions” he relies on.  But the very fact the court has heard these cases is sufficient, he says, to support his reading.

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The fact that Kavanaugh was willing to expand standing in the area of the Establishment Clause beyond that which the Supreme Court has expressly done in the past is bad news for religious liberty. If his views were adopted by other courts, then other frivolous claims attacking religion in the public square would have a better chance of being heard in federal courts. Some judges would then part ways with Kavanaugh’s views on the merits, finding the Establishment Clause violated where it was not.

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Lower courts are not bound by the Supreme Court’s undecided assumptions. Yet in Priests for Life v. U.S. Dep’t of Health & Human Servs., Kavanaugh writes separately and goes out of his way to declare that “Hobby Lobby strongly suggests that the Government has a compelling interest in facilitating access to contraception for the employees of these religious organizations.”  He argues that “the views expressed by a majority of the Justices in Hobby Lobby” support a finding that the contraceptive mandate is a compelling government interest.

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If these were Kavanaugh’s only errors in religious liberty cases, perhaps they would be forgivable. Perhaps. But it’s part of a troubling pattern. Take Mahoney v. Doe, 642 F.3d 1112 (D.C. Cir. 2011), for example. There the majority, with Kavanaugh joining in full, found that a municipal prohibition on chalk drawings on the street in front of the White House, challenged by a Catholic priest and other Christian plaintiffs who wished to protest then-President Obama’s position on abortion, as well as the anniversary of Roe v. Wade, did not violate the religious plaintiffs’ religious freedom under RFRA.


http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/05/potential-supreme-court-nominee-brett-kavanaugh-troubling-record-religious-liberty/
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Re: Brett Kavanaugh Has A Troubling Record On Religious Liberty
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2018, 02:13:31 pm »
All of this isn’t to say Kavanaugh would be a unmitigated disaster for religious freedom on the Supreme Court. He does sometimes vote for a pro-religious liberty outcome. The problem is that his vote is often littered with doctrinal time bombs that will do damage in years to come.

This is cold comfort for the millions of Americans for whom religious liberty is not only the defining freedom of their existence, but also the one they feel is most under threat.  In the end, the question isn’t whether Kavanaugh would be better than Kennedy has been on these issues. The question is whether he’s our best option for this nomination. Based on the evidence I’ve seen in his jurisprudence, Kavanaugh poses too big of a risk of disappointing on religious freedom to be placed on the nation’s highest court.
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2018, 02:41:12 pm »
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The fact that this post has to be written anonymously tells you the kind of nasty campaign DC-types are running on Kavanaugh’s behalf. Just an observation.
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Re: Brett Kavanaugh Has A Troubling Record On Religious Liberty
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2018, 02:41:30 pm »
It is troubling.  Bottom line as a SCOTUS justice he should be ruling strictly along the lines of the Constitution period.  I'm not sure that we're going to see that with him.
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2018, 02:44:12 pm »
It is troubling.  Bottom line as a SCOTUS justice he should be ruling strictly along the lines of the Constitution period.  I'm not sure that we're going to see that with him.

The best we can hope for I'm afraid is that he's no worse than the guy he clerked for.
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Re: Brett Kavanaugh Has A Troubling Record On Religious Liberty
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2018, 02:49:43 pm »
The best we can hope for I'm afraid is that he's no worse than the guy he clerked for.

We can certainly hope, but the problem of course is his age and the amount of time on the bench.  Trump blew this one bigly!
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Re: Brett Kavanaugh Has A Troubling Record On Religious Liberty
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2018, 02:52:02 pm »
I've read legal analysis articles where the same story gets different versions on what it actually says. The author in the Federalist article is anonymous.

This article comments on the EXACT article in the Federalist whom I am well disposed to:

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Judge Brett Kavanaugh: A Warrior for Religious Liberty | National Review

A response to an anonymous post at the Federalist

In the past week, every serious, informed conservative who’s been asked about Judge Brett Kavanaugh has championed his unwavering conservative principles. See, for example, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, Leonard Leo, Eugene Scalia, Matt Schlapp, J. D. Vance, and Ed Whelan.

But whereas these and countless more have been proud to put their names to endorsements of the unflappable conservativism of Brett Kavanaugh, yesterday a commentator at the Federalist website was unwilling to sign his or her name to a post accusing Judge Kavanaugh of having “a troubling record on religious liberty.” This anonymous critic charges that Judge Kavanaugh “doesn’t really fully understand religious liberty claims and the law and legal doctrine that support them” or “doesn’t really care, even when the law requires otherwise.” Those outrageous suggestions — that one of the most respected members of the federal bench is either ignorant or willfully lawless — discredit everything the author says and explain why the post was submitted anonymously.

Whether you agree with him or not — and many liberals do not — Judge Kavanaugh has been a steadfast and fearless supporter of religious liberty for decades. When he was in private practice in the 1990s, he chaired the Federalist Society’s Religious Liberty practice group and worked pro bono on cases defending religious freedom. He wrote pro bono amicus briefs defending religious believers in high-profile Supreme Court cases. He represented a synagogue pro bono in a local zoning dispute. He advocated for the selection of judges who protect religious liberty. And as a judge himself, his record of defending religious liberty is unparalleled. His dissenting opinion in Priests for Life v. HHS, where he concluded that the Obama administration’s contraceptive mandate violated the rights of religious organizations, was called “pure perfection” by one of the lawyers challenging the mandate.

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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2018, 02:53:44 pm »
We can certainly hope, but the problem of course is his age and the amount of time on the bench.  Trump blew this one bigly!

Yup and for all the people that think Trump will get another pick and go with Barrett or Pryor et al.  Look at what happened during the Reagan administration when they had the chance to put two Constitutionalists on the bench.  They went with the easier nomination first (Scalia) and then nominated Bork and that one got shot down.

IMO had they done it in reverse both would have been sitting on the bench.

The same thing will happen this time as well I'm afraid.  He should have gone with Barrett first.
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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2018, 02:56:42 pm »
I've read legal analysis articles where the same story gets different versions on what it actually says. The author in the Federalist article is anonymous.

This article comments on the EXACT article in the Federalist whom I am well disposed to:

The same NRO that was hated by Trump Supporters?

The fact that all the establishment types from NRO to the WSJ editorial board to Bush 43 to the GOP Leadership in Congress pimping this guy to be the next SCOTUS should set off warning bells to people that value the Constitution.

But there are folks with rose colored glasses on that won't realize a mistake was made until it's too late...just like what happened with Justice Roberts...who used almost the same language Kavanaugh did to justify the wholesale changes he made to Obamacare in his ruling in order to make it "Constitutional".
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Re: Brett Kavanaugh Has A Troubling Record On Religious Liberty
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2018, 03:01:10 pm »
Yup and for all the people that think Trump will get another pick and go with Barrett or Pryor et al.  Look at what happened during the Reagan administration when they had the chance to put two Constitutionalists on the bench.  They went with the easier nomination first (Scalia) and then nominated Bork and that one got shot down.

IMO had they done it in reverse both would have been sitting on the bench.

The same thing will happen this time as well I'm afraid.  He should have gone with Barrett first.

Bork was doomed regardless because of his connection to Watergate. Trump is looking for a quick appointment here. Save the big fight for after November.

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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2018, 03:15:38 pm »
Bork was doomed regardless because of his connection to Watergate. Trump is looking for a quick appointment here. Save the big fight for after November.

From what I've read...had Bork gone first he'd have made it.  It would have been a tough fight but he'd have been approved.  Then they could have nominated Scalia.

Think about it...if Trump had nominated Barrett...and the Dems had attacked her like we knew they would...it would have reaped benefits for the GOP and Trump in the mid terms.

It would have worked to our advantage.  Not wanting this to spill over into the mid terms is the Establishment's "safe" strategy.  And not a very good one.
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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2018, 03:37:08 pm »
Kavanaugh’s opinion fails, if it does in fact fail, on the issue of redressability, not on the issue of injury-in-fact.  On that point he has strong precedent on his side. 

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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2018, 03:41:40 pm »
Not wanting this to spill over into the mid terms is the Establishment's "safe" strategy.


That's the impression I had last evening.

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Re: Brett Kavanaugh Has A Troubling Record On Religious Liberty
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2018, 03:41:49 pm »
From what I've read...had Bork gone first he'd have made it.  It would have been a tough fight but he'd have been approved.  Then they could have nominated Scalia.

Think about it...if Trump had nominated Barrett...and the Dems had attacked her like we knew they would...it would have reaped benefits for the GOP and Trump in the mid terms.

It would have worked to our advantage.  Not wanting this to spill over into the mid terms is the Establishment's "safe" strategy.  And not a very good one.

Timing is everything.  But keep in mind.... that Trump is somewhat hamstrung re: this ongoing fishing expedition of Mueller's.   They probably concluded, (rightly so, imo), that now was not the time for a battle royale.
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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2018, 03:45:43 pm »
They probably concluded, (rightly so, imo), that now was not the time for a battle royale.

Weird.  I thought this man always fights.
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« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2018, 04:01:10 pm »
From what I've read...had Bork gone first he'd have made it.  It would have been a tough fight but he'd have been approved.  Then they could have nominated Scalia.

Think about it...if Trump had nominated Barrett...and the Dems had attacked her like we knew they would...it would have reaped benefits for the GOP and Trump in the mid terms.

It would have worked to our advantage.  Not wanting this to spill over into the mid terms is the Establishment's "safe" strategy.  And not a very good one.

Yes and Bork had a Democrat majority to overcome by the time he was nominated (although two southern Dems voted in favor, and six establishment Pubs voted him down).  The next opening will happen in another congress ... probably a Dem Senate if it comes after 2020.  I can empathize with some degree of "stealth" only if the odds of confirmation are low.  Otherwise, it's a colossal risk that is not worth taking.

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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2018, 04:01:34 pm »
Timing is everything.  But keep in mind.... that Trump is somewhat hamstrung re: this ongoing fishing expedition of Mueller's.   They probably concluded, (rightly so, imo), that now was not the time for a battle royale.

If not now...when?

And if anything Trump picked Kavanaugh to provide him top cover against Mueller.  Just read Kavanaugh's views on Presidential investigations from when he worked for Ken Starr.

And I'm sorry...but using the Mueller investigation as an excuse not to play hardball with the Dems is just a really lame excuse to side yet again with the establishment in this case.
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Re: Brett Kavanaugh Has A Troubling Record On Religious Liberty
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2018, 04:10:19 pm »
The fact that all the establishment types from NRO to the WSJ editorial board to Bush 43 to the GOP Leadership in Congress pimping this guy to be the next SCOTUS should set off warning bells to people that value the Constitution.

Exactly.  That's my position on him currently.

Why is the Liberal GOP Establishment INCLUDING Susan Collins bigly in this guy's corner?
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Re: Brett Kavanaugh Has A Troubling Record On Religious Liberty
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2018, 04:11:51 pm »
If not now...when?

And if anything Trump picked Kavanaugh to provide him top cover against Mueller.  Just read Kavanaugh's views on Presidential investigations from when he worked for Ken Starr.

Could be.  If so, I'd have to posit that he chose well, then...lol.

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And I'm sorry...but using the Mueller investigation as an excuse not to play hardball with the Dems is just a really lame excuse to side yet again with the establishment in this case.

But... it's not merely an excuse.  It's a fact.  Trump really IS hamstrung right now, as fully intended by the left.  They are salivating at the prospect of him firing Mueller to get this particular (butt-ugly) monkey off his back and out of his hair.  It's all a set up.   That much is crystal clear.  Especially if/when you know exactly how these leftists roll.

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« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2018, 04:15:03 pm »
Weird.  I thought this man always fights.

Well..... I'm sure Trump 'wants' to haul off and fire Mueller's @ss.... and Rosenstein, and Sessions, etc.  But he's not stupid enough to do that .... since it is exactly what the radical left and his GOPe opposition wants him to do so they can start the impeachment process.

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« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2018, 04:15:46 pm »
So nobody’s entirely happy, but on balance liberals are significantly more unhappy than are republicans and conservatives. 

Seems like a good enough reason to support confirmation, given the likelihood of what will happen with the next nomination if this one does not get approved.

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« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2018, 04:30:52 pm »
Does the government have a "compelling interest in providing women access to contraception", as Kavanaugh apparently believes to the chagrin of this anonymous author?   

Why would the government have such a compelling interest?   To reduce the number of abortions, of course. 

Access to contraception is the greatest single weapon we have in the fight against abortion.   I guess if the government has no compelling interest in that, it certainly ought to have no interest whatsoever in banning abortion.

The anonymous author's head's up his arse.   

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The fact that this post has to be written anonymously tells you the kind of nasty campaign DC-types are running on Kavanaugh’s behalf. Just an observation.

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« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2018, 04:54:58 pm »
Does the government have a "compelling interest in providing women access to contraception", as Kavanaugh apparently believes to the chagrin of this anonymous author?

No the Government doesn't nor should they have an interest in that. 

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Why would the government have such a compelling interest?   To reduce the number of abortions, of course.

But I thought it wasn't the government's business what we do in our bedrooms or our sex lives? 

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Access to contraception is the greatest single weapon we have in the fight against abortion.   I guess if the government has no compelling interest in that, it certainly ought to have no interest whatsoever in banning abortion.


It's not the governments right to provide access to that.  But yet here we are.  And that federally granted permission was the camel's nose under the tent flap that the activist judges used as their justification to create from whole cloth the "right" to abortion

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The anonymous author's head's up his arse.   


That you say that clearly proves beyond a doubt he or she is more versed in the law than you are counselor.
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Re: Brett Kavanaugh Has A Troubling Record On Religious Liberty
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2018, 04:56:37 pm »
From what I've read...had Bork gone first he'd have made it.  It would have been a tough fight but he'd have been approved.  Then they could have nominated Scalia.

Think about it...if Trump had nominated Barrett...and the Dems had attacked her like we knew they would...it would have reaped benefits for the GOP and Trump in the mid terms.

It would have worked to our advantage.  Not wanting this to spill over into the mid terms is the Establishment's "safe" strategy.  And not a very good one.

In the words of the late, great Don Meredith... "If IFS and BUTs were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas.

This is mindless speculation.  Who did you want?
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