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Re: DHS Announces Program To Illegally Scan Our Faces
« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2017, 11:37:58 pm »
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Re: DHS Announces Program To Illegally Scan Our Faces
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2017, 11:38:39 pm »
Why would you want to lay your hands on a postal carrier?

If you’re having issues with TSA employees, keep cool and ask to see a supervisor. They have a process and chain of command. Those who were in the military know first hand how it works.


Fraid not.

When my Mom was in her mid 70s she picked me up at an airport.

In a wide walkway corridor, a good 30 feet wide, circling the airport - no check in lines, no baggage, no nothing, we were heading for the parking lot with a dozen TSA heading the other way.

A short, squat female in uniform spotted us, stared down at her feet, and drifted Away from her group a good 10 feet to shoulder butt my Mom before rejoining them, giggling.

I'm 6 feet tall by 220, and I do not have a 'consume mass quantities on the couch watching the game' build. It's solid.

The intent these Clowns telegraphed was 'We Dare You To Do Something About it, Bub."

They have NO business being afforded the legal protections of FBI Special Agents.

The whole kit and kaboodle need to be privatized/contracted out to Private Security Firms.
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« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2017, 11:42:47 pm »

Fraid not.

When my Mom was in her mid 70s she picked me up at an airport.

In a wide walkway corridor, a good 30 feet wide, circling the airport - no check in lines, no baggage, no nothing, we were heading for the parking lot with a dozen TSA heading the other way.

A short, squat female in uniform spotted us, stared down at her feet, and drifted Away from her group a good 10 feet to shoulder butt my Mom before rejoining them, giggling.

I'm 6 feet tall by 220, and I do not have a 'consume mass quantities on the couch watching the game' build. It's solid.

The intent these Clowns telegraphed was 'We Dare You To Do Something About it, Bub."

They have NO business being afforded the legal protections of FBI Special Agents.

The whole kit and kaboodle need to be privatized/contracted out to Private Security Firms.

40000 people...and your painting them by the experience of one rude idiot. Your logic is...well...its not logic.

As for privatizing, that's how got into this pickle on 9/11/2001. Repeating failure...not a good plan. I've worked at and with "privatized" airports...not good.
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« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2017, 11:55:02 pm »
40000 people...and your painting them by the experience of one rude idiot. Your logic is...well...its not logic.

As for privatizing, that's how got into this pickle on 9/11/2001. Repeating failure...not a good plan. I've worked at and with "privatized" airports...not good.

Based on my experience at two federal agencies, private contractors are first and foremost concerned with their cash flow; everything else is secondary, to include the mission.
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« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2017, 12:06:02 am »
40000 people...and your painting them by the experience of one rude idiot. Your logic is...well...its not logic.

Don't go reading Your POV into My experience.

"Giggling", to her fellow TSA Agents. She never would have considered assaulting my Mom without the wink wink, nod nod support of the others.


As for privatizing, that's how got into this pickle on 9/11/2001. Repeating failure...not a good plan. I've worked at and with "privatized" airports...not good.

Fine. Tell me how it would be treated if a Private Firm of any sort took to filming Everyone to wash them through Govt databases.

TSA are Luggage Inspectors, not Sean Connery, or Worse, in a James Bond Movie.

And it is not, "Just One Idiot."




http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/forums/OtherGround/Lawmakers-threaten-TSA-with-private-screeners:2276596


http://thefinancialphysician.com/2011/06/elderly-woman-asked-to-remove-adult-diaper-during-tsa-search/



http://www.nationalreview.com/article/413059/transportation-secrecy-administration-ryan-lovelace


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/horror-tsa-beats-disabled-girl-bloody-memphis-airport/
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« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2017, 12:09:30 am »
Rephrased to the relevant question as pertains to security...and the answer is "all of them".

There is a reason our canines (and their Handlers) literally have a price on their heads...and that reason is that they deter attacks on our aircraft. And if you think the bad guys aren't still actively trying...these past 16 years...to replay 9/11...you are simply and categorically wrong.

There is much that is wrong with TSA, but without it in place more attacks would have occurred. Those with genuine access to intelligence know this to be true...unfortunately that intel can't be shared in a public forum.

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Of course that's what they say but they can't prove it.  Never will.

The real deterrence is the passengers.  The few cases where so me one has gotten a bomb on a plane it was passengers and crew that stopped them.   

My company supported the maintenance contract for the TSA for 6 years.   Much stuff I can't talk about but the TSA is useless.

Take their HQ in DC.   You go into one building to go thru security.  Then you go back outside into an uncontrolled public area without an escort to go to the other buildings.

The Chinese had hacked the airport computer systems and were in it for 3 years.   It took the contractor 6 months to find it and they waited 2.5 years to report it.    DHS gave the contract back to them and the TSA security officer went to work for the company.    This was reported in the papers.
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Re: DHS Announces Program To Illegally Scan Our Faces
« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2017, 12:14:46 am »
40000 people...and your painting them by the experience of one rude idiot. Your logic is...well...its not logic.

As for privatizing, that's how got into this pickle on 9/11/2001. Repeating failure...not a good plan. I've worked at and with "privatized" airports...not good.

@Mesaclone

Oh that's BS.  It's been proven time after time the TSA cannot find weapons or bombs.  In every test they failed spectacularly.

The cause for 9/11 go back to Carter who emboldened the radicals and Clinton who failed to address known threats.

I've been behind the doors.  The only thing they do well is grope grandma and spend money.
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Re: DHS Announces Program To Illegally Scan Our Faces
« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2017, 12:59:35 am »


Maybe the "Burka" is a good idea.... unisex.

Seems I remember a Heinlein novel which had heavily drawn hoods to escape from AllBrother.
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Re: DHS Announces Program To Illegally Scan Our Faces
« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2017, 01:10:58 am »
@Mesaclone

Oh that's BS.  It's been proven time after time the TSA cannot find weapons or bombs.  In every test they failed spectacularly. By that standard, every security screening force in the world has failed...including the Israelis, who also miss items during tests. Screening tech is imperfect, therefore screening is flawed...but that does not mean it does not deter and impede. It does.

The cause for 9/11 go back to Carter who emboldened the radicals and Clinton who failed to address known threats. That's about motivations for it...not methodology

I've been behind the doors.  The only thing they do well is grope grandma and spend money.

So, we must have had a lot of terrorists get explosives onto U.S. aircraft from U.S. airports over the past 16 years since its so easy to do...right? Oh..wait...we've had NONE.

Security consists of many layers, and checkpoint agents are only one...so while no "screening force" ever created can find everything, when that screening is coupled with canines, and Behavioral Observation teams, and security cameras, and intelligence and a whole host of other layers that I can't even discuss...it forms a difficult to penetrate aggregate. That's what works, and that's what private isolated security companies cannot duplicate.

As for the pictures of nuns, and wheelchair bourne kids, and crying women...do you not think ISIS or a Chechnian terrorist for example, wouldn't use a nun, or a grandma, or a child to transport explosives. Let me answer that for you...they would and they have. So if you suddenly do not search those people...as your pictorial suggests...they become the vehicle for terrorists to bring down a plane. A terrorist could hold a family hostage while forcing grandma to carry a suitcase through security...for example, and there are endless other possibilities. Everyone must be searched...though it is possible to use varying levels of scrutiny...or no one is safe.

And lets be crystal clear. Terrorists are ACTIVELY trying to get weapons and explosives on to our aircraft...this is not a debatable point. They are...they've said so publicly...and they have been trying for 16 years. And they have not succeeded.

A love this laissez faire attitude that's cropped up...the belief that there really isn't a serious threat to air travel in this county. Its wrong...deeply, dangerously wrong.
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Re: DHS Announces Program To Illegally Scan Our Faces
« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2017, 01:13:05 am »
 One of the many reasons I would never get one of those iPhones with the facial recognition feature. How many who object to government intrusiveness still ran out to buy one of those new phones - made by Big Govt's friend Apple - when they hit the market?
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« Reply #35 on: December 31, 2017, 01:22:59 am »
Based on my experience at two federal agencies, private contractors are first and foremost concerned with their cash flow; everything else is secondary, to include the mission.

Cash flow means positive production. Something government workers have no clue 'Bout.

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« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2017, 01:24:05 am »
So, we must have had a lot of terrorists get explosives onto U.S. aircraft from U.S. airports over the past 16 years since its so easy to do...right? Oh..wait...we've had NONE.

Security consists of many layers, and checkpoint agents are only one...so while no "screening force" ever created can find everything, when that screening is coupled with canines, and Behavioral Observation teams, and security cameras, and intelligence and a whole host of other layers that I can't even discuss...it forms a difficult to penetrate aggregate. That's what works, and that's what private isolated security companies cannot duplicate.

As for the pictures of nuns, and wheelchair bourne kids, and crying women...do you not think ISIS or a Chechnian terrorist for example, wouldn't use a nun, or a grandma, or a child to transport explosives. Let me answer that for you...they would and they have. So if you suddenly do not search those people...as your pictorial suggests...they become the vehicle for terrorists to bring down a plane. A terrorist could hold a family hostage while forcing grandma to carry a suitcase through security...for example, and there are endless other possibilities. Everyone must be searched...though it is possible to use varying levels of scrutiny...or no one is safe.

And lets be crystal clear. Terrorists are ACTIVELY trying to get weapons and explosives on to our aircraft...this is not a debatable point. They are...they've said so publicly...and they have been trying for 16 years. And they have not succeeded.

A love this laissez faire attitude that's cropped up...the belief that there really isn't a serious threat to air travel in this county. Its wrong...deeply, dangerously wrong.

And yet they insist on groping 10yr olds and grandma.

No they haven't gotten bombs on planes because they haven't tried.  Not since the underwear guy.

So there must be a different reason they are tracking all law abiding citizens that travel.
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Re: DHS Announces Program To Illegally Scan Our Faces
« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2017, 01:49:30 am »
40000 people...and your painting them by the experience of one rude idiot. Your logic is...well...its not logic.

As for privatizing, that's how got into this pickle on 9/11/2001. Repeating failure...not a good plan. I've worked at and with "privatized" airports...not good.
What repeated failure? You used to be able to carry ignition devices on the plane--you could smoke in the back, along with a knife with a blade under 3 inches, not to mention grandma's cuticle scissors.

How many planes got flown into buildings until the FBI, CIA, Able Danger, and other intelligence agencies failed to compare notes because of the stovepiping of the Gorelick memo?

Aside from a B-25 that hit the Empire State Building in '45, not too much of that happened, and that was an accident.

The failure that led to 9/11 was a failure at the intelligence level, not of any existing rules. The boxcutters the terrorists used were as legal as the folding knife I used to carry on my belt when flying, even though I keep the latter as sharp and the blade is longer.

Unless I am wrong, it hasn't caught anyone getting on a plane with a bomb. When that happens again, it will go through the cargo people or the ones loading the baggage, not the lines of people being patted down in the airport.

If you think that the TSA is a deterrent, fine. I think it is a pain in the ass. Give me my knife back and like the rest of the passengers who fully realize that if someone else takes control of the plane we die, anyway, we'll stop them, as passengers have already 'subdued' a number of unruly types on board commercial aircraft.
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Re: DHS Announces Program To Illegally Scan Our Faces
« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2017, 01:56:28 am »


Actually... it is moslems folks.

Any effort of TSA( union scum) notwithstanding does no good.
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« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2017, 02:03:01 am »
@Mesaclone

Pay attention.

"As for the pictures of nuns, and wheelchair bourne kids, and crying women...do you not think ISIS or a Chechnian terrorist for example, wouldn't use a nun, or a grandma, or a child to transport explosives. Let me answer that for you...they would and they have. So if you suddenly do not search those people...as your pictorial suggests"

That's my pictorial. You ascribed it to @driftdiver.

The gang that physically assaulted my mother were a clatch of anemic, pot bellied youngsters half my age.

IF, I had been a threat to Anyone, much less Airline Security, I could have gone through them with my BARE HANDS and put half of them, at least, in the ER. The causeway was on the outside of the airport, outside of Check In. I could have just as easily been Coming in as Going out and those buffoons had no way of knowing that. If I had been a terrorist (I don't fit the Known Profile of a Military Age Middle Eastern male) I could have been armed to the gills under my jacket.

In short, they reacted as they have become Accustomed to react, because They Don't Do S%%t!

They call for backup, in my case that would have been the at least 3 State Police Cruisers always circling the Concourse just outside the door.

As actual Security, without an overwhelming superiority in numbers and real, Armed State Police, they're worthless.

Their intent, in my case, was to PROVOKE an incident.

If I'd been stupid enough to take the bait and even give them the verbal dressing down they deserved I'd probably still be in jail, after They radioed for Daddy (State Police) to come save them from themselves.
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« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2017, 02:57:16 am »
Cash flow means positive production. Something government workers have no clue 'Bout.

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« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2017, 03:19:08 am »
Mesaclone wrote:
"Everyone must be searched...though it is possible to use varying levels of scrutiny...or no one is safe."

With all due respect, your airport goons will never search me.

I haven't been on a big jet since 1984, and will never fly again.
Not interested.

If I can't drive or walk there, I ain't goin'.

That is all...
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« Reply #42 on: December 31, 2017, 03:40:06 am »
And yet they insist on groping 10yr olds and grandma.

No they haven't gotten bombs on planes because they haven't tried.  Not since the underwear guy.

So there must be a different reason they are tracking all law abiding citizens that travel.

The "underwear" guy did not fly from a US airport, so you're way off on him. Ditto for the shoe bomber...flew out of Paris. As for them not trying, that's quite simply false. They have tried. REPEATEDLY. Repeating the idiocy that they haven't tried demonstrates that you know NOTHING of what you speak.

And yes, grandma's get checked like everyone else...because terrorists will use grandmothers, and children, to transport explosives. They have done so in the past, and have no problem holding a family hostage at home so "grandma" has to carry a bag through security. You clearly have no idea what kind of animals we are dealing with.
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« Reply #43 on: December 31, 2017, 03:42:43 am »
Mesaclone wrote:
"Everyone must be searched...though it is possible to use varying levels of scrutiny...or no one is safe."

With all due respect, your airport goons will never search me.

I haven't been on a big jet since 1984, and will never fly again.
Not interested.

If I can't drive or walk there, I ain't goin'.

That is all...

With all due respect, everyone is fine with you not flying. Let me guess, you're one of those geniuses who feel like you should just be able to walk into the oval office without being checked by "goons"...right? 
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« Reply #44 on: December 31, 2017, 03:54:54 am »
The "underwear" guy did not fly from a US airport, so you're way off on him. Ditto for the shoe bomber...flew out of Paris. As for them not trying, that's quite simply false. They have tried. REPEATEDLY. Repeating the idiocy that they haven't tried demonstrates that you know NOTHING of what you speak.

And yes, grandma's get checked like everyone else...because terrorists will use grandmothers, and children, to transport explosives. They have done so in the past, and have no problem holding a family hostage at home so "grandma" has to carry a bag through security. You clearly have no idea what kind of animals we are dealing with.

I admire your tenacity. Unfortunately, it appears that most of the posters here have an antipathy towards anyone serving in government, at least civilians.

Rarely are successes reported on, but the stories of mistakes and incompetence, which are legion.

From the safety of their anonymity behind their keyboards, they can toss out whatever is on their minds, to demonstrate to themselves how superior they are.

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« Reply #45 on: December 31, 2017, 04:21:55 am »
http://www.newsweek.com/tsa-fails-half-time-706568

Airport screeners working for the “badly” run Transportation Security Administration (TSA) reportedly failed to detect weapons more than 70 percent of the time in undercover tests — but that massive failure rate is actually an improvement from a similar test two years ago.

Undercover investigators were able to smuggle mock knives, guns and explosives through airport checkpoints earlier this year, and succeeded far more often than they failed. But at least airport security is improving— slightly. When investigators did the same thing two years earlier, TSA equipment and personnel failed 95 percent of the time,
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« Reply #46 on: December 31, 2017, 04:35:05 am »
Mesaclone wrote:
"Let me guess, you're one of those geniuses who feel like you should just be able to walk into the oval office without being checked by "goons"...right?"

That's not going to be a problem, because I have no intention of going anywhere near the DC limits again.

If I got an invitation directly from the president (who I enthusiastically voted for once, and will do the same again), I would decline it -- politely, of course.

If the Congress summoned me to appear as their guest, I would ignore it.

The only way you'll get me to that snakepit is to come and take me by force.
(I would not resist, but I won't go voluntarily).

I'll just stay here, thanks...  ;)
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« Reply #47 on: December 31, 2017, 04:39:14 am »
So, we must have had a lot of terrorists get explosives onto U.S. aircraft from U.S. airports over the past 16 years since its so easy to do...right? Oh..wait...we've had NONE.

Security consists of many layers, and checkpoint agents are only one...so while no "screening force" ever created can find everything, when that screening is coupled with canines, and Behavioral Observation teams, and security cameras, and intelligence and a whole host of other layers that I can't even discuss...it forms a difficult to penetrate aggregate. That's what works, and that's what private isolated security companies cannot duplicate.

As for the pictures of nuns, and wheelchair bourne kids, and crying women...do you not think ISIS or a Chechnian terrorist for example, wouldn't use a nun, or a grandma, or a child to transport explosives. Let me answer that for you...they would and they have. So if you suddenly do not search those people...as your pictorial suggests...they become the vehicle for terrorists to bring down a plane. A terrorist could hold a family hostage while forcing grandma to carry a suitcase through security...for example, and there are endless other possibilities. Everyone must be searched...though it is possible to use varying levels of scrutiny...or no one is safe.

And lets be crystal clear. Terrorists are ACTIVELY trying to get weapons and explosives on to our aircraft...this is not a debatable point. They are...they've said so publicly...and they have been trying for 16 years. And they have not succeeded.

A love this laissez faire attitude that's cropped up...the belief that there really isn't a serious threat to air travel in this county. Its wrong...deeply, dangerously wrong.

I'm sorry but illegal search and seizure is in violation of the 4th amendment - T freakin' S A or not. One thing that the attack on 9-11 accomplished was stripping us of some of our Constitutional rights under the guise of the U.S. becoming more secure; actually just the opposite has happened.  To feel up women and make men drop their drawers in front of everyone is absolutely dead wrong. 

Secondly, think about it...do you really think 'they' are going to plan another attack using airplanes?  That's where we've ramped up security -- I highly doubt that's going to be their next avenue of a major attack.

Thirdly, putting a permanent moratorium on immigration and visas into this country until we get a handle on who is in this country is crucial to our national security ... but hey instead, let's strip search our citizens, feel up our women and assault our children, all to make us safer!  Got it!
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Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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Re: DHS Announces Program To Illegally Scan Our Faces
« Reply #48 on: December 31, 2017, 07:33:45 pm »
With all due respect, everyone is fine with you not flying. Let me guess, you're one of those geniuses who feel like you should just be able to walk into the oval office without being checked by "goons"...right?
There is a big difference between the Oval Office and a seat on the vomit comet. All this shit does is guarantee that I will arrive somewhere without the basic tools I need to do my job. Which means there was no effing point in flying there in the first place. So, if I can't drive there, it isn't happening.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Re: DHS Announces Program To Illegally Scan Our Faces
« Reply #49 on: December 31, 2017, 09:57:00 pm »
I admire your tenacity. Unfortunately, it appears that most of the posters here have an antipathy towards anyone serving in government, at least civilians.

Rarely are successes reported on, but the stories of mistakes and incompetence, which are legion.

From the safety of their anonymity behind their keyboards, they can toss out whatever is on their minds, to demonstrate to themselves how superior they are.

I officially retire tomorrow, heading off to “double dipper” land after 8 years military, 8 years federal civilian, and 25 years in the private sector. I’ve had the privilege of working and serving with a lot of great, and some not so great, people at every stop along the way.

Well said, coherent, and reasonable. Those arguing the "other side" of this issue would do well to emulate your style and intellect in posting. Anecdotal stories of rogue morons...who exist in the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, CIA, FBI, Border Patrol, ICE and every other agency AND large private firm...tell very little of the truth of an organization. Like you, I've met and worked with fantastic people in government...both in the Army and at DHS...and also met some real dipwads. Likewise, the traveling public contains both of these elements as well...and the morons are generally the ones you'll find having a fit because they couldn't carry their machete on to the airplane..ostensibly because they think they "don't look like a terrorist".

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