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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #150 on: December 28, 2017, 08:25:03 pm »
No, that's not all it would take.  No one believes that he had mistresses, or that his father was involved in JFK's murder. 

I know PLENTY of people - avid Trump supporters who believe those allegations in full.  Like Moore, there is no reasoning or discussion to be had regarding proof to allegations.  They have hated Cruz from the beginning, and they believe the charges, having fully condemned him as having committed the charges and therefore will work to unseat him based on their own personal biases and promises to do so.

Repeat the big lie often enough - it ALWAYS gets accepted as the truth by a people led by memes and emotion and not logic or fact.  Mob groupthink is now a major thing, and deviancy from asserted opinions are attacked mercilessly.

But if he were running, and a story came out that was as extensively well-researched, well-corroborated, and solid as the Post's story---about anything in his past---I would evaluate my support for him based on those facts. 

You just made my entire point, because the Post's story was based on hearsay and bogus allegations without any shred of concrete proof.  Tell a lie often enough - those who hate the person/thing/event/or groups will keep repeating the allegations as fact and assert they are the only rational position to hold, and anyone who does not hold to that position, is (insert insult or threat here).

"Facts" are now massaged and edited in order to create "news" to fit the narrative and sway public opinion.  I'm watching this same thing play out over a Star Wars movie.  The mob is not interested in evaluating comments made in full and in context when the snippets from various interviews fit their narrative of bashing a film and insisting everyone hate it.  Their 'facts' are all that matter in the discussion - and the condemnation is made and when one does not share in it - then you must be ridiculed and attacked for having a different opinion.

You would be a major fool to assume the same exact efforts to destroy Moore will not be employed to rid the political landscape of 'trouble makers' who will not tow the Oligarchy's line.

Because this is where we have now arrived.  And you applauded it.

But that won't happen.  Cruz's background has been gone over with a fine-toothed comb.  And I can say pretty confidently he doesn't have a thing for underage girls.  After all, he met his wife on a political campaign, not skulking around a recital looking for kids.

Thank you for making my entire point.  In 30 years of campaigning and in the depths of the Commandments standoff, NONE of those allegations that came forth the moment Luther Strange lost the primary were flung against Moore. McConnell was at the podium within an hour demanding Moore 'step aside' when the Post ran the first story.  But hey - the seriousness of the charge is all that matters.  We must believe the accusers at all costs because we personally hated the guy and what he makes steadfast issues about.

(We've already had this argument - and neither of us are going to come to an agreement about it.)

It will be fun to watch you try and defend Cruz when these precedents are brought to bear upon him in his next run for office.  We can then argue about calling it the Caining, Moore-ing or Cruz-ing of a candidate to wipe them out politically, personally and professionally.  Because all it takes now is an allegation supported by the Establishment to get rid of any candidate running for office that they do not want in a seat.

The GOP has demonstrated time and again, they prefer a Democrat in there than a Christian Conservative and will work to make that selection happen.

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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #151 on: December 28, 2017, 08:27:59 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/alabama-officials-dismiss-moore-claims-voter-fraud-jones-certified-winner-194754558.html


Story includes video of statements regarding voter fraud from Moore spokeswoman Janet Porter and AL SoS John Merrill.
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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #152 on: December 28, 2017, 08:44:51 pm »
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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #153 on: December 28, 2017, 10:46:58 pm »
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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #154 on: December 28, 2017, 11:15:56 pm »
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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #155 on: December 28, 2017, 11:32:00 pm »
   I was kinda glad this Moore guy popped up, I was really missing the Trump/Cruz fights of the Primary.
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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #156 on: December 28, 2017, 11:38:13 pm »
   I was kinda glad this Moore guy popped up, I was really missing the Trump/Cruz fights of the Primary.

Someone say Lyin' Ted?


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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #157 on: December 28, 2017, 11:48:21 pm »
I was kinda glad this Moore guy popped up, I was really missing the Trump/Cruz fights of the Primary.


No worries.....he’s still out there begging for money to investigate the non-existent stolen election.  He also passed a polygraph.  So there.

https://nypost.com/2017/12/28/roy-moore-still-claims-alabama-senate-election-was-fraudulent/
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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #158 on: December 28, 2017, 11:52:11 pm »
One has to applause Moore for at least, having a clean campaign.

He doesn't claim a black man is dropping out of the race in Iowa, he doesn't claim a Latino is dropping out of the race in Hawaii.

He doesn't accuse the Governor of receiving money from George Soros.

He doesn't have a campaign stating someone said something about the Bible which is disrespectful of the Bible and which was never said, in fact, a lie.

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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #159 on: December 28, 2017, 11:52:43 pm »
   Polygraph, smolygraph, those are easy to beat, ever come home to the wife smelling like Tuna?
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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #160 on: December 28, 2017, 11:54:17 pm »
One has to applause Moore for at least, having a clean campaign.

He doesn't claim a black man is dropping out of the race in Iowa, he doesn't claim a Latino is dropping out of the race in Hawaii.

He doesn't accuse the Governor of receiving money from George Soros.

He doesn't have a campaign stating someone said something about the Bible which is disrespectful of the Bible and which was never said, in fact, a lie.

   The Cruz insinuations are pretty strong with that one @TomSea
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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #161 on: December 28, 2017, 11:58:19 pm »
   The Cruz insinuations are pretty strong with that one @TomSea

Ya think??   :silly:


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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #162 on: December 29, 2017, 12:01:23 am »
Lock her up!  Lock her up!  Lock her up!

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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #163 on: December 29, 2017, 12:03:26 am »
One has to applause Moore for at least, having a clean campaign.

He doesn't claim a black man is dropping out of the race in Iowa, he doesn't claim a Latino is dropping out of the race in Hawaii.

He doesn't accuse the Governor of receiving money from George Soros.

He doesn't have a campaign stating someone said something about the Bible which is disrespectful of the Bible and which was never said, in fact, a lie.

No, he just blames Soros and gays for everything.

”Soros is certainly trying to alter the voting populous,” Moore said of Soros. “He is pushing an agenda and his agenda is sexual in nature, his agenda is liberal, and not what Americans need,” Moore contended.
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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #164 on: December 29, 2017, 12:15:22 am »
No, he just blames Soros and gays for everything.

”Soros is certainly trying to alter the voting populous,” Moore said of Soros. “He is pushing an agenda and his agenda is sexual in nature, his agenda is liberal, and not what Americans need,” Moore contended.

He said "God wasn't done with the election" election night on national television.

Frankly I find that offensive. The arrogance to presume to speak for God because it wasn't going Moore's way. So now that the election stands from that night does that mean God failed because he wasn't "done" yet it remains unchanged? I agree with Moore on many issues BUT things like that really turn me off.

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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #165 on: December 29, 2017, 12:19:26 am »
He said "God wasn't done with the election" election night on national television.


It’s over now.  Roy will just have to find another ‘Job.’
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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #166 on: December 29, 2017, 12:32:50 am »
One has to applause Moore for at least, having a clean campaign.

He doesn't claim a black man is dropping out of the race in Iowa, he doesn't claim a Latino is dropping out of the race in Hawaii.

He doesn't accuse the Governor of receiving money from George Soros.

He doesn't have a campaign stating someone said something about the Bible which is disrespectful of the Bible and which was never said, in fact, a lie.

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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #167 on: December 29, 2017, 12:36:47 am »
He said "God wasn't done with the election" election night on national television.

Frankly I find that offensive. The arrogance to presume to speak for God because it wasn't going Moore's way. So now that the election stands from that night does that mean God failed because he wasn't "done" yet it remains unchanged? I agree with Moore on many issues BUT things like that really turn me off.

Actually, as a Christian seeking God's will, and not one's own, the lesson to be learned from the election, no matter how bitter, is that it was NOT God's will that he win it.

If one believes in the Sovereignty of God, then that is the only conclusion to be drawn from  the election.

Moore should be looking inward, and asking God what He wants him to do next, not claiming that because he wasn't elected God didn't get what He wanted.  (BAD theology).
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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #168 on: December 29, 2017, 01:11:07 am »

It’s over now.  Roy will just have to find another ‘Job.’


His new job will be constant fundraising on how he lost the election and try to fight it (so he says)..
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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #169 on: December 29, 2017, 01:30:04 am »

It’s over now.  Roy will just have to find another ‘Job.’
He's got a public employee pension and is old enough to collect Social Security. He doesn't have to work another day in his life if he doesn't want to.
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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #170 on: December 29, 2017, 01:35:17 am »
Perhaps by capitalizing Job and putting it in quotes, that wasn’t sufficient enough to get the biblical reference across.    :shrug:
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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #171 on: December 29, 2017, 01:37:28 am »
   Do you really figure Judge Roy Moore will be one to ride off in the Sunset @jmyrlefuller ?

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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #172 on: December 29, 2017, 01:45:51 am »
   Do you really figure Judge Roy Moore will be one to ride off in the Sunset @jmyrlefuller ?



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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #173 on: December 29, 2017, 01:46:43 am »
@Free Vulcan

This is a laughable denial of reality.  Even the hacks at Breitbart admit they believed the charges but they promoted Moore because it would have made it harder to support Trump otherwise.


First off it was ONE editor (one of the more liberal ones at that) that CNN claims said that, but didn't give full quotes for me to really see he actually did. Second the Breitbart editor only said one of the stories had any chance of being real and they were like what was used against Trump, just unsubstantiated rumors. Once again everyone here knows NOT ONE SHRED of REAL PROOF has been presented (and what was presented didn't prove anything and was admitted a lie as presented).

If Roy was such a bad candidate, why did he rip his two Republican competitors up? Seems to me that proves he actually was a good candidate. Then why did he lose? Well that is pretty simple. First and foremost, the WP story dropped at the last month. Which for working stiffs that value wholesomeness, it threw them for a loop. The timing of the stories didn't give Moore much time to debunk them (especially with every media outlet not wanting Moore to be innocent) and most voters don't spend the time you and I do to look into whether they were truthful or not. The WP lady knew this, she had experience planting a non-story to kill Perry in Texas on his Presidential bid. "Niggerhead rock" was a nothing story she pushed. Perry and his family as far as I could tell were just victims of history of a checked past America. Decent folks that even tried to hide the racist past (paint and even flip over a big rock) that was not politically correct. Yet you would probable claim it proved Perry was a bad candidate.

Once again it was funny some here said Roy lost to Doug who had an openly gay son. But remember it was only after the election that was widely publicized. Seems every gay website had a story on the kid 24 hours after the election. Perhaps you can show me one story about the gay son before the election. Heck, Roy's son chases a deer while hunting onto property owned by a neighbor and it is headlines.

Other factors that killed Moore. No money except some in state people and a few folks from Texas.

No vocal support from a RINO Senate except Mo Brooks. But Mo was pretty much hated by them anyway. But Mitch loved ole Big Luther for some reason. Why would Mitch love a proven crooked candidate?

No vocal support from Trump who only would go to Florida and say he liked Roy when it looked like Roy would still win after everything but the kitchen sink was thrown at him.

The gaystopa and their ilk. Don't fool oneself, RINOs dread having to take sides against the homosexual agenda crowd. Like most every other issue, they have turned to mush. Planned Parenthood and abortion, mush. Homosexuals in bathrooms, mush. They had rather turn tail and hide than actually grow a set and stand firm. They are now scared to be men, and would neuter themselves rather than lose office.

Yeah, Roy was a bad candidate to some, he was actually a real man in a world where that is not appreciated. A real world where Satan battles hard to win. A battle Satan is not scared to enlist women to help spread lies to help him win.
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Re: Roy Moore alleges voter fraud, files challenge to election defeat
« Reply #174 on: December 29, 2017, 01:49:04 am »
He said "God wasn't done with the election" election night on national television.

Frankly I find that offensive. The arrogance to presume to speak for God because it wasn't going Moore's way.

Judge Roy, you might want to consider what if God's will WAS done by this election ??
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