Fox News Poll: Enthused Democrats give Jones[10pt] lead over Moore in Alabama

[Frank Cannon]

Well, then, you're in the minority.  Most folks consider it pretty damn sick.   And don't insult the people of Alabama by implying they considered it to be just normal country courtin' 30-40 years ago.   It wasn't.

It was. Frank Luntz did a focus group on it down there and that was the take away.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/12/10/frank_luntz_shocked_when_focus_group_of_roy_moore_voters_doesnt_believe_accusations.html

“Forty years ago in Alabama, there's a lotta mamas and daddies that would be thrilled that their 14 year-old was getting hit on by a district attorney,” one voter said. “There was still clothes on,” another voter said of the first allegations against Moore. “As soon as the girl said she wasn't comfortable, he took her home.”

[Cyber Liberty]

Well, a LOT of states need to 'do better'.

I live in AZ, and we certainly need to do better.  Unfortunately, that probably means a Democrat after next year's election.

[DiogenesLamp]

Well, then, you're in the minority.  Most folks consider it pretty damn sick.   

I think they only decided it was "sick"  when it gave them an excuse to bash Roy Moore.   Back when Seinfeld was doing it,   or Prince Charles,   or even Mick Jager,   nobody made an issue over it.   


What is sick is people embracing homosexuality and "transgenderism."    That stuff is defacto mentally ill,   and in fact has a destructive impact on the rest of us.   

And don't insult the people of Alabama by implying they considered it to be just normal country courtin' 30-40 years ago.   It wasn't.

You wouldn't know.   Judging by History,  it was pretty normal in all the states for most of this nation's existence,   and it is even still going on today.   I know some examples.   

[XenaLee]

I think they only decided it was "sick"  when it gave them an excuse to bash Roy Moore.   Back when Seinfeld was doing it,   or Prince Charles,   or even Mick Jager,   nobody made an issue over it.   


What is sick is people embracing homosexuality and "transgenderism."    That stuff is defacto mentally ill,   and in fact has a destructive impact on the rest of us.   





You wouldn't know.   Judging by History,  it was pretty normal in all the states for most of this nation's existence,   and it is even still going on today.   I know some examples.

What is sick.... is the fact that Congress secretly set up a Shush/Slush fund whereby taxpayer money is and has been spent to pay off sexual misconduct "victims" of some of the aholes in Congress (mostly Democrats, from what I've read).  And then these scumbags have the colossal gall to point a blame finger at someone not even IN Congress like Roy Moore.... over unproven and vehemently denied allegations???

The hypocrisy is, as usual, stunning.

[Emjay]

What is sick.... is the fact that Congress secretly set up a Shush/Slush fund whereby taxpayer money is and has been spent to pay off sexual misconduct "victims" of some of the aholes in Congress (mostly Democrats, from what I've read).  And then these scumbags have the colossal gall to point a blame finger at someone not even IN Congress like Roy Moore.... over unproven and vehemently denied allegations???

The hypocrisy is, as usual, stunning.

Yep it is.  But why are we still stunned?  Because it IS stunning but we should be stunned out by now.

[INVAR]

I didn't know you're from 'Bama, I always thought you were from the North East.

Roll Tide!

He's not.  He has stated he is from PA, but who knows if that was just more trollish bullshit to try and make whatever stupid leftist talking point he was attempting to make about not wanting the Texas second Amendment culture in his state.

I find it the height of abject hubris hypocrisy that our resident proponent of deviant homosexual behavior as a 'right' can decree that 30 year old men dating women in their late teens and twenties is 'pretty damn sick'.

[Cyber Liberty]

He's not.  He has stated he is from PA, but who knows if that was just more trollish bullshit to try and make whatever stupid leftist talking point he was attempting to make about not wanting the Texas second Amendment culture in his state.

I find it the height of abject hubris hypocrisy that our resident proponent of deviant homosexual behavior as a 'right' can decree that 30 year old men dating women in their late teens and twenties is 'pretty damn sick'.

Sorry old bean, thought my sarcasm came through...I must do better.   ^-^

[Hoodat]

Well, then, you're in the minority.  Most folks consider it pretty damn sick.   And don't insult the people of Alabama by implying they considered it to be just normal country courtin' 30-40 years ago.   It wasn't.

This is hysterical coming from someone who castigates others for their moral code.

[INVAR]

This is hysterical coming from someone who castigates others for their moral code.

"Bigots" is the word he seeks to label those who uphold a moral code he seeks to criminalize and punish using the government.

[Jazzhead]

He's not.  He has stated he is from PA, but who knows if that was just more trollish bullshit to try and make whatever stupid leftist talking point he was attempting to make about not wanting the Texas second Amendment culture in his state.

I find it the height of abject hubris hypocrisy that our resident proponent of deviant homosexual behavior as a 'right' can decree that 30 year old men dating women in their late teens and twenties is 'pretty damn sick'.

The charge is that he was a 30-plus year old man getting frisky with pants dropped with a 14-year old girl.  Fourteen.  Not "late teens and twenties".

My apologies for saying that one shouldn't insult Alabamans by suggesting that's normal country courtin'.    I guess it is, or was.  No, I'm not from Alabama, or even that part of Pennsylvania that James Carville considered as backward as Alabama.  Where I come from, a middle-aged man seducing a 14-year old girl is sick. Sorry to assume such standards aren't followed by Southern evangelicals.  Hey, the Bible must say it's okaly-dokaly.         

  Oh well, by later tonight we'll know whether Alabamans want this lawless hypocrite representing them in the Senate.   I just wish as a Republican I could wash my hands of him.       

[Jazzhead]

"Bigots" is the word he seeks to label those who uphold a moral code he seeks to criminalize and punish using the government.

What moral code?   Roy Moore's moral code?  No thanks.   

[DiogenesLamp]

The charge is that he was a 30-plus year old man getting frisky with pants dropped with a 14-year old girl.  Fourteen.  Not "late teens and twenties".

And this accusation is all on the say-so of a woman who admits to going full blown loon at this time in her life.    Her subsequent life's history also demonstrates she was a flake.   I have seen claims that this woman has made this accusation against three other people,   so how much credibility should we give this?   

She has already been caught in a mistake (or lie)  by claiming that her life went into the toilet after she claims to have met Moore,  but when she was in court in 1979,   she was in court precisely because her life had already turned into a mess.   Drugs,  promiscuity,  suicide attempt,   later multiple divorces,  supposed multiple accusations against other men.   What are we to make of her credibility?   


You believe her because you want to believe her.   If this were a murder trial,   most reasonable people would say "there is no way we can trust this woman's credibility because of her past behavior."   

Coming forth after 38 years with this allegation is just another testament to her being a flake.   If this was worthy of adjudication,  the time was 38 years ago,  not now. 

[INVAR]

What moral code?   Roy Moore's moral code?  No thanks.   

Yeah, we know.

You prefer the San Francisco Bathhouse moral code and seek to force the rest of us to cater to it.

In short, your morality as evidenced on this board is bass ackwards upside down, deliberately so.

Comes someone who upholds the Constitution, state law and biblical morality - you've decidedly declared them an enemy to be punished and destroyed.

[Jazzhead]

Yeah, we know.

You prefer the San Francisco Bathhouse moral code and seek to force the rest of us to cater to it.

That's just bullshit, coming from someone who is dishonest to the core.  I have NEVER defended the bathhouse lifestyle; my position has consistently been to support monogamy and faithfulness.   THAT's what marriage, seriously undertaken,  promotes, celebrates and protects.   Problem is, if a gay couple stays together and faithful all of their days, they're still going to hell as far as you're concerned.    And you know what?  They'll meet you there.   

[Jazzhead]

And this accusation is all on the say-so of a woman who admits to going full blown loon at this time in her life.    Her subsequent life's history also demonstrates she was a flake.   I have seen claims that this woman has made this accusation against three other people,   so how much credibility should we give this?   

She has already been caught in a mistake (or lie)  by claiming that her life went into the toilet after she claims to have met Moore,  but when she was in court in 1979,   she was in court precisely because her life had already turned into a mess.   Drugs,  promiscuity,  suicide attempt,   later multiple divorces,  supposed multiple accusations against other men.   What are we to make of her credibility?   


You believe her because you want to believe her.   If this were a murder trial,   most reasonable people would say "there is no way we can trust this woman's credibility because of her past behavior."   

Coming forth after 38 years with this allegation is just another testament to her being a flake.   If this was worthy of adjudication,  the time was 38 years ago,  not now.

You know what?  I don't give a damn at this point.   I'll respect the results of the election.   What is already lost is the moral authority of evangelicals who've proven their Godly pronouncements are just cynical bullshit.   
 

[Hoodat]

@Jazzhead

What law did Moore refuse to uphold?  Please be specific.

[roamer_1]

You know what?  I don't give a damn at this point.   I'll respect the results of the election.   What is already lost is the moral authority of evangelicals who've proven their Godly pronouncements are just cynical bullshit.

No, what's bullshit is criticizing good Christian people for exercising Biblical discerning in their judgement. If there was evidence of wrongdoing, this would be an entirely different conversation/ But as it is, your cynical bid to chide Christians for failing to convict on hearsay evidence is absurd.

[EdJames]

@Jazzhead

What law did Moore refuse to uphold?  Please be specific.

I have asked him that a few times, still waiting for an answer.

[Cyber Liberty]

No, what's bullshit is criticizing good Christian people for exercising Biblical discerning in their judgement. If there was evidence of wrongdoing, this would be an entirely different conversation/ But as it is, your cynical bid to chide Christians for failing to convict on hearsay evidence is absurd.

If there is something to the story it will come out in due time.  If there isn't, that will too, unless Moore loses, then it will evaporate in a puff of hypocrisy.

[aligncare]

You know what?  I don't give a damn at this point.   I'll respect the results of the election.   What is already lost is the moral authority of evangelicals who've proven their Godly pronouncements are just cynical bullshit.

Nothing’s been proven in these allegations.  But you get to say you’re a moral person because you didn’t vote for Moore.

Opposing Roy Moore could result in the election of a democrat sitting where Jeff Sessions once sat.

More dead babies, more insane legislation, more harm to your country. But, at least you can tell yourself, “I’m a moral person.”

Just as there are levels of sin, there are levels of morality. I won’t be that selfish with my morality.

[roamer_1]

If there is something to the story it will come out in due time.  If there isn't, that will too, unless Moore loses, then it will evaporate in a puff of hypocrisy.

Oh it will certainly evaporate. Just like it did when Clarence Thomas was seated, and just like the Cruz Harem after it was too late.
SOSDD

[INVAR]

That's just bullshit, coming from someone who is dishonest to the core.

Coming from you of all people, making that accusation is a trip given how many times the members here have cornered you on all your bullshit.

  I have NEVER defended the bathhouse lifestyle; my position has consistently been to support monogamy and faithfulness.

No such thing in the homosexual lifestyle, but I have to admit - asserting that faithfulness and monogamy to deviant sexual behavior is righteous and passing it off as morality is beyond amusing. 

But then you are known to be a protagonist of calling good, evil and declaring evil to be good on this board.

THAT's what marriage, seriously undertaken,  promotes, celebrates and protects. 

You celebrating evil and apostasy is something you have made quite a name for yourself.  Where the line is drawn is when you demand punishment in order to push that crap on those who refuse to submit to promoting and celebrating it.

Problem is, if a gay couple stays together and faithful all of their days, they're still going to hell as far as you're concerned.    And you know what?  They'll meet you there.

Go ahead and argue that one with God when it's your turn at the Judgment.

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. - I Corinthians 6:9-10

Worse than someone who is simply deceived in their practice of sin and evil, you openly promote it and assuage such behavior as good and righteous while claiming to follow Christ.  It may be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the Day of Judgment than for you.

[XenaLee]

Coming from you of all people, making that accusation is a trip given how many times the members here have cornered you on all your bullshit.

No such thing in the homosexual lifestyle, but I have to admit - asserting that faithfulness and monogamy to deviant sexual behavior is righteous and passing it off as morality is beyond amusing. 

But then you are known to be a protagonist of calling good, evil and declaring evil to be good on this board.

You celebrating evil and apostasy is something you have made quite a name for yourself.  Where the line is drawn is when you demand punishment in order to push that crap on those who refuse to submit to promoting and celebrating it.

Go ahead and argue that one with God when it's your turn at the Judgment.

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. - I Corinthians 6:9-10

Worse than someone who is simply deceived in their practice of sin and evil, you openly promote it and assuage such behavior as good and righteous while claiming to follow Christ.  It may be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the Day of Judgment than for you.

My version includes "nor slanderers".  You know... like the women that are bearing false witness for a political motivation and agenda.  I like my version better.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 9Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

New International Version , Copyright 2011-2017 Biblica

[Cyber Liberty]

No drunkards?  (Cough cough)

[Hoodat]

And blessed are the cheesemakers.