New Study Shows Gay Men Have Variation Of DNA Over Straight men

[mirraflake]

And I'm not interested in your continuing to defend the smear with your phony data either.

The Christian Post survey was phoney??  I don't think so. 

https://www.christianpost.com/news/nearly-two-thirds-of-christian-men-view-porn-monthly-they-are-watching-it-at-same-rate-as-secular-men-says-study-125471/


@musiclady

[musiclady]

The Christian Post survey was phoney??  I don't think so. 

https://www.christianpost.com/news/nearly-two-thirds-of-christian-men-view-porn-monthly-they-are-watching-it-at-same-rate-as-secular-men-says-study-125471/


@musiclady

You made your accusation very, very personal.  It's obvious that you've forgotten how nasty you really got.

I'll happily forgive you, if you ask.......

[Restored]

I'll happily forgive you, if you ask.......

I don't know that I would extend them that much control.

[musiclady]

I don't know that I would extend them that much control.

Perhaps you're right.....

[Sanguine]

Perhaps you're right.....

No, that's not how forgiveness works...

[musiclady]

No, that's not how forgiveness works...

I know, I know........

[Sanguine]

I know, I know........

 

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Got something against monogamy and faithful behavior?   

All I'm trying to say is that everyone deserves to be praised or condemned in accordance with their actions as individuals.   What frosts me about the attitudes of (some) Christians is that good folks get labeled "abominations" just because of an aspect of their being they cannot control.   One doesn't choose whether to be gay or straight - that's up to God.  What's up to us is what we choose to make of ourselves, and whether we choose to live by moral precepts.     

God sets those standards, not men.  And 'control' is the same as saying 'freedom to decide'.  God gives us all the rope we need and He expects us to use it wisely.

You can praise queer folks to your hearts content as being 'moral', and maybe I can at times, but someone else is the decider, not you or me.

[bigheadfred]

Are you a human being? Or an animal?

Do you have the intelligence to know the difference?

There are definitely some people who are born with a disposition that bespeaks an abnormality related to their gender. I don't have a problem with that. Do you treat effeminate males or masculine females with derision and disrespect? No. The same as people with Down's or other things they are born with.

As an example, our middle granddaughter was born addicted to opioids. She has some behaviors that are textbook et al. She is NOT being treated with medications. She is being treated with loving kindness and a willow stick.

It is the in your face forced acceptance of other people who are simply defying the Law of Creation and acting like animals, instead of human beings, that I take exceptance to. Do what you want. Do it in private. Put it on front street and try to tell me I am the one that is f u e d up and the fight is on.

[truth_seeker]

Field of "Epigenetics"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics

"Epigenetics is the study of heritable changes in gene function that do not involve changes in the DNA sequence.[1] The Greek prefix epi- (ἐπι- "over, outside of, around") in epigenetics implies features that are "on top of" or "in addition to" the traditional genetic basis for inheritance.[2] Epigenetics often refers to changes in a chromosome that affect gene activity and expression, but can also be used to describe any heritable phenotypic change that does not derive from a modification of the genome, such as prions. Such effects on cellular and physiological phenotypic traits may result from external or environmental factors, or be part of normal developmental program. The standard definition of epigenetics requires these alterations to be heritable,[3][4] either in the progeny of cells or of organisms."

[bigheadfred]

Field of "Epigenetics"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics

"Epigenetics is the study of heritable changes in gene function that do not involve changes in the DNA sequence.[1] The Greek prefix epi- (ἐπι- "over, outside of, around") in epigenetics implies features that are "on top of" or "in addition to" the traditional genetic basis for inheritance.[2] Epigenetics often refers to changes in a chromosome that affect gene activity and expression, but can also be used to describe any heritable phenotypic change that does not derive from a modification of the genome, such as prions. Such effects on cellular and physiological phenotypic traits may result from external or environmental factors, or be part of normal developmental program. The standard definition of epigenetics requires these alterations to be heritable,[3][4] either in the progeny of cells or of organisms."

Sooo...what is the purpose of immunology?

[roamer_1]

Sooo...what is the purpose of immunology?

Sex with interns, obviously.

[bigheadfred]

Sex with interns, obviously.

Another sheepish reply.

[bigheadfred]

In days of old...

[roamer_1]

Another sheepish reply.

Brings a whole new meaning to 'getting on your woolies'...

 

[bigheadfred]

Brings a whole new meaning to 'getting on your woolies'...

 

Sumpin most people know more about than they would admit.

Surviving the winter of our despair.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Are you a human being? Or an animal?

Do you have the intelligence to know the difference?

There are definitely some people who are born with a disposition that bespeaks an abnormality related to their gender. I don't have a problem with that. Do you treat effeminate males or masculine females with derision and disrespect? No. The same as people with Down's or other things they are born with.

As an example, our middle granddaughter was born addicted to opioids. She has some behaviors that are textbook et al. She is NOT being treated with medications. She is being treated with loving kindness and a willow stick.

It is the in your face forced acceptance of other people who are simply defying the Law of Creation and acting like animals, instead of human beings, that I take exceptance to. Do what you want. Do it in private. Put it on front street and try to tell me I am the one that is f u e d up and the fight is on.

All of that is why God gave us his Bible.

Try reading that and it all clears up for you and others struggling on how to handle things.

[ConstitutionRose]

I went to college in the early 80's and was asked to participate in a couple of studies on the effects of hormones in the womb.  I an a DES baby and on blind tests I am classified as a male.   There are still ongoing studies on the subject and they all seem to come to the same conclusions based on their data.  A mishap in the sequencing of hormones can change the brain structure and one of those changes can be in sex preferences.  (Very brief.)

[Sanguine]

1. Men and women are born with sexual preferences - men for women and women for men, in most cases. 

2. Normal distributions says there are inevitably some on either end that do not fall within the "normal" range.

3. Men and women are different and they are born that way.  See #1 above.

So, men and women would have to be the same if sexual preference is merely a personal choice.  See #1 and #3 above.  If you're born with it, it ain't a choice.  I don't find other women arousing, and I do find some men very much so.  I never had to make a choice about it - it simply is the way I'm made.

So, in order for sexual preference to be a choice, it would have to NOT be an inherent/genetic/congenital/pre-determined sort of trait. And, if it weren't an inherent/genetic/congenital/pre-determined sort of trait, men and women would be the same in this regard. See #1 and #3 above.  We know that is not the case.

Therefore, to have a sexual preference for people of the same gender, one is abnormal (see #2 above) and probably born with it, see #1 above.

Now, there is some choice involved - that of acting upon one's preferences or not.  Just as there is a choice for heterosexuals - sex should only occur within the confines of matrimony.  No marriage, no sex.  Let he or she who is without sin cast the first stone.  (It won't be me - I'm sure not in a position to start collecting stones.)

[bigheadfred]

1. Men and women are born with sexual preferences - men for women and women for men, in most cases. 

2. Normal distributions says there are inevitably some on either end that do not fall within the "normal" range.

3. Men and women are different and they are born that way.  See #1 above.

So, men and women would have to be the same if sexual preference is merely a personal choice.  See #1 and #3 above.  If you're born with it, it ain't a choice.  I don't find other women arousing, and I do find some men very much so.  I never had to make a choice about it - it simply is the way I'm made.

So, in order for sexual preference to be a choice, it would have to NOT be an inherent/genetic/congenital/pre-determined sort of trait. And, if it weren't an inherent/genetic/congenital/pre-determined sort of trait, men and women would be the same in this regard. See #1 and #3 above.  We know that is not the case.

Therefore, to have a sexual preference for people of the same gender, one is abnormal (see #2 above) and probably born with it, see #1 above.

Now, there is some choice involved - that of acting upon one's preferences or not.  Just as there is a choice for heterosexuals - sex should only occur within the confines of matrimony.  No marriage, no sex.  Let he or she who is without sin cast the first stone.  (It won't be me - I'm sure not in a position to start collecting stones.)

I'm sure not in a position to start collecting stones.

Thanks. Another shattered dream.

I admit I had sex with my girlfriend. Six times in one night. A couple of weeks before our wedding "we" had six kids. Born ten minutes apart.

[Oceander]

1. Men and women are born with sexual preferences - men for women and women for men, in most cases. 

2. Normal distributions says there are inevitably some on either end that do not fall within the "normal" range.

3. Men and women are different and they are born that way.  See #1 above.

So, men and women would have to be the same if sexual preference is merely a personal choice.  See #1 and #3 above.  If you're born with it, it ain't a choice.  I don't find other women arousing, and I do find some men very much so.  I never had to make a choice about it - it simply is the way I'm made.

So, in order for sexual preference to be a choice, it would have to NOT be an inherent/genetic/congenital/pre-determined sort of trait. And, if it weren't an inherent/genetic/congenital/pre-determined sort of trait, men and women would be the same in this regard. See #1 and #3 above.  We know that is not the case.

Therefore, to have a sexual preference for people of the same gender, one is abnormal (see #2 above) and probably born with it, see #1 above.

Now, there is some choice involved - that of acting upon one's preferences or not.  Just as there is a choice for heterosexuals - sex should only occur within the confines of matrimony.  No marriage, no sex.  Let he or she who is without sin cast the first stone.  (It won't be me - I'm sure not in a position to start collecting stones.)

[Suppressed]

There are definitely some people who are born with a disposition that bespeaks an abnormality related to their gender.

This is a problem I have with the interpretation many have provided of the Christian God.

He creates many with heavy, cruel burdens that He could relieve in a heartbeat.

If a human tormented, or allowed torment of, children the way God does, we would be rightly reviled.  Yet here we are.

We sit here and read in I Corinthians 7

⁷For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.

⁸I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. ⁹But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

and admit that it is unreasonable to expect human beings to contain their passions.  Yet at the same time, God gives men passions for each other and says they can't act on them.  How cruel is that?

Yes, we say kleptomaniacs can't exercise their preferences, and pedophiles can't exercise theirs -- examples where there are victims, and God still allows those cruel passions.  And in the case of victimless homosexual bonding, we have humans opposing it.


It just seems rather ridiculous.

[bigheadfred]

I would that all men were even as I myself.

Now here see. This is so easy it is impossibly hard. Submit to the WILL of God. Give your free will back to the giver. And then you will be as even.

Your burden. If you are so enhanced or enchanted with your own wellbeing that you ignore or turn your head and walk by those who have been burdened with things you haven't been burdened by, because you think no one cares about your burdens, even knowing that a simple act of kindness could change both of your lives and STILL you walk by, knowing that YOU could relieve, in a heartbeat, for them, it benefits both of you, performing an act of God?  And then ask the question you ask.

As an aside, there are a number of kids, not so much kids now, that call me "dad'. Today, the wife and I went grocery shopping. As we were leaving a girl bagging her things said something to my wife. Called her by name, my wife responded calling her by her name. She looked at me and said How you doing, dad? I had a talk with her 10 or 12 years ago when she was a running gunning fool. There are a large number of others. That call me dad. I am a grandpa now and there are times I ask myself--when will I become a man???

[roamer_1]

This is a problem I have with the interpretation many have provided of the Christian God.

He creates many with heavy, cruel burdens that He could relieve in a heartbeat.

No, you are in a quarantine area behind enemy lines. Contractually, humans signed over their rights to the Dark One and the Fallen. You don't understand the authority. Our fight for now is with 'powers and principalities in high places'. The price to purchase it back has been paid... All we need do now is wait for the lease to run out.

If a human tormented, or allowed torment of, children the way God does, we would be rightly reviled.  Yet here we are.

It is not YHWH doing that.

We sit here and read in I Corinthians 7
and admit that it is unreasonable to expect human beings to contain their passions.  Yet at the same time, God gives men passions for each other and says they can't act on them.  How cruel is that?

Those passions are not from him.

Yes, we say kleptomaniacs can't exercise their preferences, and pedophiles can't exercise theirs -- examples where there are victims, and God still allows those cruel passions.  And in the case of victimless homosexual bonding, we have humans opposing it.

NOTHING is 'victimless'.

It just seems rather ridiculous.

you speak from a position of ignorance. Read the Book

[Sanguine]

This is a problem I have with the interpretation many have provided of the Christian God.

He creates many with heavy, cruel burdens that He could relieve in a heartbeat.
...

I agree with you that we should feel compassion for gays; it's a heavy burden.

OK, I'm not the best person to explain this, but I know your questions come from a very real place and are asked earnestly, so I'll try.

I guess the seemingly slightly flippant answer would be: "because that's the world we live in".  That normal distribution curve requires the deviations on each end of the "normal" part of the curve.

Animals who do what they were born to do, tigers eating antelope, elephants pushing over trees to get at the leaves, sharks gnawing on the occasional surfer, etc., are doing exactly what they were designed to do and are not good or bad.

For reasons unknown to us, God decided to imbue us, animals at that point and made of the same "dirt" as were all other living things, with His spirit - his breath.  This created in us a dual nature.  We are children of God, but fully human/animal too.  God directs us to transcend our animal nature and become more like Him, but our physical animal nature wars with that command. 

God gave us instructions as to how to live our lives according to his instructions: Torah.  We are supposed to do our best to live up to God's instructions, and we live in faith knowing that God will reward us.

Hopefully, others wiser than I can add to this.