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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2017, 07:16:31 pm »

Texas is much better off with Ted Cruz as one of our Senators as opposed to RINO David Dewhurst.

Now if we could just get a Conservative replacement for John Cornyn.




Does it ever bother you that Ted Cruz's father was a revolutionary with Communist Castro ??

It puts an interesting spin on Lying Ted promoting a GOP tax plan that engages in class warfare.






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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2017, 07:21:54 pm »
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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2017, 07:25:12 pm »
In short, the GOP is robbing poor Peter to pay rich Paul.

You keep saying that like a broken record, so let's try a different tack.

Let's say you get your way, and we sock the ever-lovin' crap out of high earners:  90% tax on all earnings, not just marginal.

Question:  Does that lessen your burden in any way?  Reduce your tax bill?  Or would it just make you feel better about the equity of the Capitalist system?
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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2017, 07:26:00 pm »
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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2017, 07:28:19 pm »


Why does it NOT bother you that under the GOP's proposed tax plan taxes will INCREASE for many lower and middle income people in order to pay for tax cuts for the rich ??

 Much of what the GOP is "giving" in tax cuts...  it will take away from others in tax increases.

The GOP is eliminating inflation-indexed personal exemptions and higher standard deductions that help low and middle income people... to use the money saved from that to help pay for the tax cuts for the rich... just like the GOP wants to use the money saved from eliminating the deduction for state taxes to help pay for tax cuts for the rich.

In short, the GOP is robbing poor Peter to pay rich Paul.

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http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1710/18/se.01.html

QUESTION: Senator Cruz, while I do not mind paying the state taxes required to make New York one of the best states in the country, I've come to rely on that SALT, state and local tax deduction. And it's actually been on the books since income tax code was invented in 1913.

It seems to me that many GOP senators from red states are deliberately trying to punish blue Democratic states by removing the SALT deduction, which benefits higher tax states. To me, this seems both unethical and bad policy. So my question for you is, why would a middle-class working mom like myself support taking away the middle- class SALT deduction so that the wealthy Americans, like you, can get more money? Thank you.

CRUZ: Well, Andrea, thank you for your question. Thank you for being here.

Look, let me make a couple of points. Number one, I agree with you. The objective of tax reform should be cutting everyone's taxes, cutting people's taxes in blue states, cutting people's taxes in red states. And if we don't do that, we've done something wrong. That's what I'm urging in Congress, that we should cut everybody's taxes. You're a mom with three kids. We need to be cutting your taxes.

Now, I'll tell you, the state and local tax deduction is taken overwhelmingly by those earning $200,000 a year or more. It's those who are itemizing their taxes. It tends to be the wealthy. Now, and I favor eliminating that deduction, why? Because I don't think the federal government should be incentivizing states and local governments to jack up their taxes.

But let me give a big caveat. I wouldn't favor eliminating that deduction unless we are lowering the tax rate enough that people in New York state, that people in Orange County, California, are paying less in total taxes. They're not deducting their state and local taxes, but the rate is a lot lower so the check they're writing at the end of the day is smaller.


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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2017, 07:30:06 pm »
Does it ever bother you that Ted Cruz's father was a revolutionary with Communist Castro ??

Nope.  Should it?  (assuming it's true, which I'm certainly not going to take your word for it.  The word "Lyin'" falls too easily from your lips, the sign of a liar.)

I've never been really big on blaming children for the sins of the father.
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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2017, 07:30:31 pm »


Does it ever bother you that Ted Cruz's father was a revolutionary with Communist Castro ??

It puts an interesting spin on Lying Ted promoting a GOP tax plan that engages in class warfare.

Don't forget that Lyin' Teds old man was the second shooter on the grassy knoll in Dallas and Lyin' Ted himself was the Zodiac....



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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2017, 07:31:20 pm »


Well since you are farting around here in the middle of a business day I'm guessing you are on welfare...




You guessed wrong. 

So what's your excuse for posting nonsense in the middle of the day ??



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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2017, 07:32:52 pm »
@KingsX

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1710/18/se.01.html

QUESTION: Senator Cruz, while I do not mind paying the state taxes required to make New York one of the best states in the country, I've come to rely on that SALT, state and local tax deduction. And it's actually been on the books since income tax code was invented in 1913.

It seems to me that many GOP senators from red states are deliberately trying to punish blue Democratic states by removing the SALT deduction, which benefits higher tax states. To me, this seems both unethical and bad policy. So my question for you is, why would a middle-class working mom like myself support taking away the middle- class SALT deduction so that the wealthy Americans, like you, can get more money? Thank you.

CRUZ: Well, Andrea, thank you for your question. Thank you for being here.

Look, let me make a couple of points. Number one, I agree with you. The objective of tax reform should be cutting everyone's taxes, cutting people's taxes in blue states, cutting people's taxes in red states. And if we don't do that, we've done something wrong. That's what I'm urging in Congress, that we should cut everybody's taxes. You're a mom with three kids. We need to be cutting your taxes.

Now, I'll tell you, the state and local tax deduction is taken overwhelmingly by those earning $200,000 a year or more. It's those who are itemizing their taxes. It tends to be the wealthy. Now, and I favor eliminating that deduction, why? Because I don't think the federal government should be incentivizing states and local governments to jack up their taxes.

But let me give a big caveat. I wouldn't favor eliminating that deduction unless we are lowering the tax rate enough that people in New York state, that people in Orange County, California, are paying less in total taxes. They're not deducting their state and local taxes, but the rate is a lot lower so the check they're writing at the end of the day is smaller.

@CatherineofAragon You know she'll just say he's Lyin Ted, right?  I'm sitting at my desk in my lab, and I have a wall about eight feet in front of me.  I may as well be talking to that.
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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2017, 07:33:32 pm »


Does it ever bother you that Ted Cruz's father was a revolutionary with Communist Castro ??

It puts an interesting spin on Lying Ted promoting a GOP tax plan that engages in class warfare.

@KingsX

Why in the name of all the saints would that bother anybody?  Does Rafael Cruz hold any kind of elected office?


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/27/ted-cruz-memoir-father-cuba-revolutionary-fidel-castro

"At 17, Rafael Cruz led a group of insurgents staging urban sabotage against the Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista. Cruz was eventually jailed and tortured, and upon his release wanted the underground to help him personally reach Castro’s camp in the Sierra Maestra highlands.

“My dad asked if he could join Castro in the mountains and keep fighting,” the firebrand Republican presidential candidate writes in his book, A Time For Truth, which will be released on Tuesday. “But he was told there was no way to get to the rebels.”

Instead, the elder Cruz bribed his way to a Cuban exit visa and headed to the University of Texas.

He returned home shortly after Castro seized power in 1959 but, Ted Cruz writes, was appalled to see Castro had “declared to the world that he was a communist”. Castro did not formally call his revolution socialist until the eve of the Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961."

So what's the problem? 


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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2017, 07:34:57 pm »
@CatherineofAragon You know she'll just say he's Lyin Ted, right?  I'm sitting at my desk in my lab, and I have a wall about eight feet in front of me.  I may as well be talking to that.

@Cyber Liberty

No doubt.  It's intriguing, though.

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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2017, 07:35:13 pm »


Does it ever bother you that Ted Cruz's father was a revolutionary with Communist Castro ??

It puts an interesting spin on Lying Ted promoting a GOP tax plan that engages in class warfare.

Doesn't bother me one bit because I know that is a blatant lie put forward by David Pecker, his birdcage liner called the National Enquirer and Pecker's best bud Donald Trump.

If you've got a source that isn't one of the three people I mentioned above...let's see it.

Otherwise...you're just repeating a blatant falsehood.
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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #37 on: October 27, 2017, 07:35:54 pm »
@KingsX

Why in the name of all the saints would that bother anybody?  Does Rafael Cruz hold any kind of elected office?

So what's the problem?

"Sins of the father," @CatherineofAragon.  We have a seriously logic-deprived person.  So eaten up by Envy she can't stand that somebody somewhere might get ahead.
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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #38 on: October 27, 2017, 07:36:54 pm »


You guessed wrong. 

So what's your excuse for posting nonsense in the middle of the day ??

I own my own business and I have to wait around in my office for my guys to get back so I can pay them.

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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2017, 07:37:08 pm »
@Cyber Liberty

No doubt.  It's intriguing, though.

Well, it does have an echo, if I could hear it above all my measurement equipment.
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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2017, 07:37:44 pm »
I own my own business and I have to wait around in my office for my guys to get back so I can pay them.

Tough gig there, Frank.
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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2017, 07:43:13 pm »
Tough gig there, Frank.

Oh yeah? You should see what I have to do the rest of the week and probably the weekend to generate enough cash to pay people. Plus I got Uncle Sams thumb up my ass all the time to make sure I am not hiding any pennies from him. That shits OK from a Bangkok whore, but not him.

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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2017, 07:45:15 pm »


Why does it NOT bother you that under the GOP's proposed tax plan taxes will INCREASE for many lower and middle income people in order to pay for tax cuts for the rich ??

 Much of what the GOP is "giving" in tax cuts...  it will take away from others in tax increases.

The GOP is eliminating inflation-indexed personal exemptions and higher standard deductions that help low and middle income people... to use the money saved from that to help pay for the tax cuts for the rich... just like the GOP wants to use the money saved from eliminating the deduction for state taxes to help pay for tax cuts for the rich.

In short, the GOP is robbing poor Peter to pay rich Paul.

The top 20% of earners pay 95% of taxes now.  How much more would you have them pay?
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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2017, 07:47:06 pm »
Oh yeah? You should see what I have to do the rest of the week and probably the weekend to generate enough cash to pay people.

Doesn't involve a thong, a pole and upbeat dance music does it?

Asking for a friend...

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« Reply #44 on: October 27, 2017, 07:47:25 pm »
"Sins of the father," @CatherineofAragon.  We have a seriously logic-deprived person.  So eaten up by Envy she can't stand that somebody somewhere might get ahead.

@Cyber Liberty

It's just pure emotion, from what I can see.  Negative emotion, to boot...dislike, envy, etc.

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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2017, 07:47:48 pm »
Well, it does have an echo, if I could hear it above all my measurement equipment.

 :silly:

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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2017, 07:48:47 pm »
Doesn't involve a thong, a pole and upbeat dance music does it?

Asking for a friend...

 **nononono*

Listen pal. You make it sound seedy. It's an honest living and I never put out......unless there is cash up front.

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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2017, 07:52:16 pm »


In spite of all the GOP hype... the vast majority of Americans aren't buying it.

Whether the GOP's 'tax cuts for the rich' fiasco passes or not... 2018 is being set up to be a bloodbath.


On taxes, Americans aren’t buying what Republicans are selling


" A new Fox News poll, released late yesterday, offered a variety of results on taxes, but among the findings was evidence that 78% of Americans are “frustrated” that “the wealthy are paying too little in taxes.” Another recent Fox News poll found that 59% disapprove of lowering taxes on corporations.

The entire Republican gambit is predicated on the polar opposite conclusions.

A CNN poll released last week, meanwhile, pointed in a similar direction: 52% of Americans oppose the Republican tax reform proposals touted by Donald Trump, while 34% support them.

Indeed, circling back to our previous coverage, if there’s one consistency in recent public-opinion surveys, it’s the fact that the American mainstream doesn’t want Congress to pass massive tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations. This has been bolstered by poll after poll after poll after poll – and yet, it’s precisely what GOP policymakers are eager to do. "


more at link

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/taxes-americans-arent-buying-what-republicans-are-selling
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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #48 on: October 27, 2017, 08:10:39 pm »
... tax cuts for the rich...

If you come on this forum and spout liberal class warfare talking points, like "tax cuts for the rich", and cite Rachael Maddow / Washington Post editorials, you'll quickly find that you're talking to a more well-informed crowd than the common Joe. You may just as well cover yourself in blood and jump into the shark pool (you're getting what you asked for)

The top 20% of earners pay 95% of the taxes (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/omb-top-20-pay-95-of-taxes-middle-class-single-digits/article/2638746). If you're going to cut taxes, who else is going to benefit? 'Nuff said.

Perhaps if you want to attack Trump on this tax plan, maybe you should ask questions that demonstrate that you have some respect for this audience:
1. Why isn't Trump and Congress cutting the cost and size of government so that they can afford greater tax cuts?
2. Why isn't Congress taking this opportunity to spread the tax burden to ALL income earners...so that EVERYBODY becomes interested in a smaller, less expensive government?
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Re: Americans aren’t buying the GOP's tax plan
« Reply #49 on: October 27, 2017, 08:26:28 pm »


Do you think your rude crude personal insults will influence and win support for your side...
or might it do the exact opposite ??

I always find it fascinating when one of the few card carrying lefties on this forum starts whining about being bullied.

It's so......................... predictable!


But I DO love that you're so clueless that you think the WaPo and Rachel Maddow make your case for you.   *****rollingeyes*****
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