Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay

[austingirl]

Chance the shot security guard was originally an accomplice?

There are plenty of conspiracy theories out there that use that scenario. Another reveal yesterday was that there was a maintenance man on the 32nd floor during the massacre.

Today's CNN story about the incendiary rounds states there were such rounds found in the room as well and bullet-proof clothing and a "breathing apparatus."

It is hard to believe anything the authorities decide to tell us after so much incorrect information.

[bigheadfred]

Long Live Robert Lavoy Finicum.  Murdered by the FBI--January 26, 2016.

Screw the FBI.

[austingirl]

There's something about the "new timeline" that just ain't right.

We're told that Paddock fired in the neighborhood of 200 rounds through the door at the security guard BEFORE he started firing at the crowd. Seems to me that after 200 rounds (probably .223 from an AR) there wouldn't be much of a door left. Pretty much blown away.

The security guard was shot in the leg, but was still conscious. I assume as soon as he was shot, he must have informed the front desk of his location and circumstances.
And there were already cops in the hotel, if I recall correctly (on another call).

And given these facts, no police could get to where the guard was in relatively short order?
Leaving Paddock with about 12 minutes of "open firing" on the crowd?

And then the police finally arrived -- after he stopped shooting and had [presumably] killed himself -- and didn't attempt to enter the room (probably a room without a door that could easily be "seen into")?

C'mon, folks.
This ain't right.
What the heck was going on here?

The whole thing is hinky. I have no faith in the FBI. The sheriff actually called the change in timeline "minute." It is immense and changes everything.

[Suppressed]

Occam's Razor.

Occam's Razor says that this investigation is going like a typical police investigation -- where not everything is released to the public, and, in fact, false information is released to the public.

[Smokin Joe]

@txradioguy, @Smokin Joe. How long has that been? Mine happened about 25 years ago.

Less than a year ago for me.

[Smokin Joe]

Contrary to FBI Hooey, Steven Paddock Fits the Profile of a Convert
By Pamela Geller - on October 9, 2017

The idea floated by “intel” agencies that Steven Paddock didn’t fit the profile of a Muslim convert is absurd on its face, and further proof that the keystone clowns and their “profilers” at the FBI haven’t a clue. How can they profile what they refuse to acknowledge, learn about or recognize?

The fact is the FBI has nothing. Over a week after the monstrous slaughter, they have nothing and yet they have dismissed ISIS claims out of hand, despite the fact ISIS does not take credit for attacks that are not theirs. Not only did they take credit, they did something they never did before – they doubled and tripled down. The Islamic State (IS) featured an infographic on the Las Vegas attack in the 100th issue of its al-Naba weekly newspaper, and indicated that the shooter, “Abu Abdul Barr al-Amriki,” had converted to Islam six months ago.

Jihad is the only motive that makes any sense. And the fact that the FBI has nothing else points to that.  ...Read the rest at Pamela Geller's website

The FBI has been asserting that no terrorist act occurred since they hijacked the investigation of Flight 800 from the NTSB. It has as much significance as them saying "We are here.", especially since the Islamist (MB) infused Obama Administration held them hostage for the last 8 years.

They announced before all the data was in, which tells me they are full of crap and spouting the standard party line to 'prevent panic and reprisal' that they have been dumping on the public for decades now. 

[Smokin Joe]

For me the question is what was he planning on doing? Clearly the guard spooked
him. Was the plan all along to shoot up the concert? Or did he have something else
in mind?

I'm thinking he had something else in mind, got spooked and decided to rain bullets
down on the concert crowd.

Is the reason for all those weapons in his room, because he was planning on arming
more then just himself. Were the explosives in his car part of the plan?

This new twist in the plot line changes EVERYTHING.

Yes, it does, and it raises far more questions than the official version can answer. I'm no tinfoil hat guy, but when the evidence makes no sense for the narrative, the narrative is wrong or something has been missed.

[Bigun]

The FBI has been asserting that no terrorist act occurred since they hijacked the investigation of Flight 800 from the NTSB. It has as much significance as them saying "We are here.", especially since the Islamist (MB) infused Obama Administration held them hostage for the last 8 years.

They announced before all the data was in, which tells me they are full of crap and spouting the standard party line to 'prevent panic and reprisal' that they have been dumping on the public for decades now.

Preach it brother!    and 

[Smokin Joe]

No law could have stopped Paddock.   The issue is what sorts of laws may stop copycats.

See the first part of your statement. No law could have stopped Paddock. What makes you think that any law would have a different effect (none) on copycats?

[Smokin Joe]

Bullshit. They keep changing the story and adding major details. How about the shot guard? How about now they think he moved into the room on the 25th, not the 28th. They think he did it solo, then had help, then he was solo again.

This is an effing casino with millions of cameras and security and they can't even get the time line down.

This whole damn investigation is a fraud. Someone is tanking it for a reason.

Bottom line: If they get enough different stories out there, people won't have any hard data, and cannot refute emotional arguments with reason. Thus, reasonable heads will not be able to prevail because all the facts will be reduced to so much chaff in jetwash.

[Smokin Joe]

Then they are incompetent and should be disregarded in all cases. 7 days in at the most videoed city in the world and all we get are lies?

They knew right away the guard was shot. They sat on that. They have no idea if he had an accomplice. They decided to start talking that he did then didn't.

It doesn't effing matter how impatient the public is for information. The cops muddying the water with lies is their own GD fault. They're lazy frauds and everything the FBI does suspect.

It never ceases to amaze me that investigative bodies are so afraid to use the proper response to many questions early on: "We don't know...yet."

[edpc]

It never ceases to amaze me that investigative bodies are so afraid to use the proper response to many questions early on: "We don't know...yet."

The irony is they don't say that to avoid looking like they're inept, when the later backtracking and revising makes it worse.

[Smokin Joe]

This crime is the worst mass shooting in the history of the country perpetrated by a white man and yet there is no drumbeat about domestic terrorism, white supremacy and the usual memes of the left. Why? Our rulers are hoping the people will got distracted by something else and just stop asking questions.

Those are common Leftist points, and you bring up that they are conspicuously absent from the discussion. That may well indicate that they have some idea (or more) telling them who is and who is not involved. That they are trying to keep politically inconvenient sentiments from surfacing and being expressed. That they are doing the usual "not terrorism" dance even without facts. All point in the same general direction.
They do not (ever!) want to be put in the position of apologizing to anyone on the Right. Which means look left, because they don't want the blame to fall over there and will do anything to protect Leftists or Islamists from direct blame. Anything inconvenient to the Left's victimhood will likely be suppressed or show up in very fine print somewhere in the back of style section.

There remains the possibility that this is the sole act of a nutcase, but the sheer number of firearms present makes me think other things were afoot.

[edpc]

This crime is the worst mass shooting in the history of the country perpetrated by a white man and yet there is no drumbeat about domestic terrorism, white supremacy and the usual memes of the left. Why? Our rulers are hoping the people will got distracted by something else and just stop asking questions.

Domestic terrorism would generally lead to sympathy for the victims.  Look how that played for the gay community in the wake of the Pulse nightclub shooting.  You can't have those sentiments generated for the people who like their guns, bibles, values, and independence.

[Bigun]

This crime is the worst mass shooting in the history of the country perpetrated by a white man and yet there is no drumbeat about domestic terrorism, white supremacy and the usual memes of the left. Why? Our rulers are hoping the people will got distracted by something else and just stop asking questions.

Sorry but no!  That happened in South Dakota many years ago!

[austingirl]

Now it appears that the shooter's home was broken into over the weekend- through the front door, no less. No suspects, not known if anything is missing, they say. I guess that is why they went back to "recheck."

[roamer_1]

It never ceases to amaze me that investigative bodies are so afraid to use the proper response to many questions early on: "We don't know...yet."

That would be proper. I am not yet willing to put on my tinfoil hat and cinch down the chinstrap... Remember folks, we're talking about 10 minutes... This could all be 'fog of war'.

IF they had beat cops in the building, how long does it take to get up 30 floors and get mapped and situated in a building that size? how long to go back out to the squad car for heavier armament and protection? Response time, even onsite in a place that size is going to take up a lot of valuable time. And all it takes is the security guard's radio being damaged in the first shootout to make the whole response thing less plausible, even yet... And that's IF they already had folks onsite.

[roamer_1]

There remains the possibility that this is the sole act of a nutcase, but the sheer number of firearms present makes me think other things were afoot.

That's right... I could still see it going either way, any way.

[DB]

Now it appears that the shooter's home was broken into over the weekend- through the front door, no less. No suspects, not known if anything is missing, they say. I guess that is why they went back to "recheck."

One would hope that absolutely everything in that home was photographed, logged and hauled off and stored as evidence. You don't know what might be important until it is completely done - if ever.

[Sanguine]

Now it appears that the shooter's home was broken into over the weekend- through the front door, no less. No suspects, not known if anything is missing, they say. I guess that is why they went back to "recheck."

Wow. 

[verga]

Well in the cops defense, how exactly do you go about approaching a room like that? You don't know if there are explosives rigged, how many are in the room, what weapons you are facing, etc... High powered rifles will penetrate many "bullet proof" vests at close range. You have to go look at surveillance video to try to find out how many are up there and then get special equipment to deal with a very unknown and dangerous situation. Did it take too long, perhaps, but it was a very difficult problem to deal with.

And to add to that, you don't know if there are other attackers in nearby rooms waiting in ambush jihad style...

@DB link Quite a few departmetns have those remote control robots now. I don't know if LVPD does, but given the fact that it is a fairly large city...........

[DB]

@DB link Quite a few departmetns have those remote control robots now. I don't know if LVPD does, but given the fact that it is a fairly large city...........

Robots are helpful. But what are you going to do if the door is closed? And to have stopped him you'll have to arm the robot. Is that legal?

[roamer_1]

Robots are helpful. But what are you going to do if the door is closed? And to have stopped him you'll have to arm the robot. Is that legal?

WAIT. 10 minutes. You can't even get that robot up there in 10 minutes, even if it is onsite (which it likely would not be).

[DB]

WAIT. 10 minutes. You can't even get that robot up there in 10 minutes, even if it is onsite (which it likely would not be).

Not arguing they could.

[Smokin Joe]

Robots are helpful. But what are you going to do if the door is closed? And to have stopped him you'll have to arm the robot. Is that legal?

The FBI mounted a shotgun on the one they sent to Randy Weaver's door.