Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay

[Fishrrman]

driftdiver wrote:
"Look on the bright side, soon you'll be able to get a special permit identifying you as a safe traveler to allow you to bypass the security. 
Same as they did for air travel"

Assuming this was to happen...
Paddock would probably have qualified for such a permit, having no previous record.

So... how does that put us ahead?

[truth_seeker]

I actually have a friend who has been busted for DUI riding home on his horse.

I had a neighbor busted for DUI for riding a bicycle onthe boardwalk at the beach.

[austingirl]

@austingirl

You're right.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html

So why was the security guard at or near Paddock's room prior to the shooting?

The story is that there was an open door alarm going off- not Paddock's door, but highly coincidental. So Paddock laid down 200 shots at him and he got one in the leg? Some people are speculating that security guard may have been involved. Who knows at this point. Also reported there was a maintenance guy in the area -new info. Their entire timeline is now suspect.

Also Paddock now confirmed to have checked in on the 25th, three days earlier than previously stated. That makes the room service receipt for TWO on the 27th with Paddock's name and room number on it not a fake.

The sheriff looks frustrated and several remarks seem to imply the FBI is keeping him in the dark. The FBI handlers were discreetly standing off screen this time instead of looming just behind him.

[edpc]

@austingirl

You're right.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html

So why was the security guard at or near Paddock's room prior to the shooting?

According to the link, it was an open door alert in another room. Seems like the cameras set up detected him and caused him to shoot at the guard.  Now, the question remains as to why the police took so long to respond, if they had the floor and room isolated.

[austingirl]

According to the link, it was an open door alert in another room. Seems like the cameras set up detected him and caused him to shoot at the guard.  Now, the question remains as to why the police took so long to respond, if they had the floor and room isolated.

Lots of questions and no answers. Next press conference not until Friday.

[truth_seeker]

If he wants to keep the Whales spending large sums in his properties his snooping won't last long. Especially now that he's made it public that his housekeepers check out the luggage in the rooms while they are down in the Casino making Wynn even richer than he is now.

I heard the interview, and he said NOTHING about "check the luggage."

Each time he mentioned "do not disturb," and "red flags,"" he further stated to be checking on the visitors' wellbeing.

[truth_seeker]

...to plant bogus 'evidence', that's why!   

Yep. Shite is changing already. It was previously described as a two bedroom place.

So you tell me, where did the other damn bedroom come from? It must be a conspiracy or they were hiding facts from the very start.

BTW Mesquite is much closer to Saint George Utah, than to Lost Wages. Maybe it was the Mormons !!

Mesquite is ALSO closer to Area 41, too !! Gotta take that into consideration.

Time to call in the Dallas 1963 investigative team. How many shooters ??

[edpc]

Lots of questions and no answers. Next press conference not until Friday.

According to this story, they were getting conflicting information about another potential shooter on the 29th floor. Also, the camera wires made them suspect the hallway and door to the room was booby-trapped.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/las-vegas-police-disturbing-account-150113584.html

[Smokin Joe]

Yep. Shite is changing already. It was previously described as a two bedroom place.

So you tell me, where did the other damn bedroom come from? It must be a conspiracy or they were hiding facts from the very start.

BTW Mesquite is much closer to Saint George Utah, than to Lost Wages. Maybe it was the Mormons !!

Mesquite is ALSO closer to Area 41, too !! Gotta take that into consideration.

Time to call in the Dallas 1963 investigative team. How many shooters ??

St. George? Well, that 'splains it. http://articles.latimes.com/1993-05-30/news/mn-41579_1_time-bomb

Blame the bomb! (everyone else does, for everything from Godzilla to Giant Ants).

[Applewood]

Lots of questions and no answers. Next press conference not until Friday.

I'm beginning to think the federal and local investigators aren't working together.  If I remember right, after 9/11, there was going to be a stronger effort at cooperation.  I don't know if that ever happened or maybe that excluded working with local authorities. 

All I know is, if the FBI and the Sheriff aren't cooperating with each other, that does not bode well for a complete, thorough and accurate investigation.

[Cyber Liberty]

I'm beginning to think the federal and local investigators aren't working together.  If I remember right, after 9/11, there was going to be a stronger effort at cooperation.  I don't know if that ever happened or maybe that excluded working with local authorities. 

All I know is, if the FBI and the Sheriff aren't cooperating with each other, that does not bode well for a complete, thorough and accurate investigation.

If the FBI, the Sheriff and the locals are cooperating together, we have an unusually large deception going on.

[Mom MD]

If the FBI, the Sheriff and the locals are cooperating together, we have an unusually large deception going on.

Funny because the sheriff seems to be a no nonsense straight shooter kind of guy.  Although I could see him concealing information to aid the investigation he doesn’t seem the type to outright lie.  I guess appearances can be deceiving but it looks more like chaos and lack of coordination than an orchestrated deception.  I guess we will never truly know

[verga]

You are required to tell them here if you have a weapon on board and if you have a CCW. Here, it doesn't seem to upset them. Elsewhere, they've been watching too much teevee or something. Not all police are firearms enthusiasts. Some only shoot to qualify and don't do so for fun.

@Smokin Joe In NYS I was required to tell them. Got pulled over once. Had the window rolled down, License, registration, Insurance card and CCW id in my left hand and both hands on the wheel. When he walked up I very calmly told him I was carrying a loaded firearm and then said: What would you like me to do? I followed his instructions to the letter and both of us went home that day safely.
No muss no fuss and it was all good, didn't even get a ticket.

[txradioguy]

@Smokin Joe In NYS I was required to tell them. Got pulled over once. Had the window rolled down, License, registration, Insurance card and CCW id in my left hand and both hands on the wheel. When he walked up I very calmly told him I was carrying a loaded firearm and then said: What would you like me to do? I followed his instructions to the letter and both of us went home that day safely.
No muss no fuss and it was all good, didn't even get a ticket.

Here in Kentucky...if you're a CCDW permit holder the police already know you're a permit holder when they run your tags if they pull you over.

We're required to to exactly what you did with your police encounter in NYS.

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe In NYS I was required to tell them. Got pulled over once. Had the window rolled down, License, registration, Insurance card and CCW id in my left hand and both hands on the wheel. When he walked up I very calmly told him I was carrying a loaded firearm and then said: What would you like me to do? I followed his instructions to the letter and both of us went home that day safely.
No muss no fuss and it was all good, didn't even get a ticket.

That is the correct way to handle it. No muss, no fuss. I got pulled over for a license plate light that was out. I was asked if there were any weapons in the vehicle (I wasn't carrying at the time). I replied "No, Officer, but I have a Carry Permit, anyway". He said, "I know." so apparently it flagged when he ran the plate.

[verga]

That is the correct way to handle it. No muss, no fuss. I got pulled over for a license plate light that was out. I was asked if there were any weapons in the vehicle (I wasn't carrying at the time). I replied "No, Officer, but I have a Carry Permit, anyway". He said, "I know." so apparently it flagged when he ran the plate.

@txradioguy, @Smokin Joe. How long has that been? Mine happened about 25 years ago.

[mountaineer]

Contrary to FBI Hooey, Steven Paddock Fits the Profile of a Convert
By Pamela Geller - on October 9, 2017

The idea floated by “intel” agencies that Steven Paddock didn’t fit the profile of a Muslim convert is absurd on its face, and further proof that the keystone clowns and their “profilers” at the FBI haven’t a clue. How can they profile what they refuse to acknowledge, learn about or recognize?

The fact is the FBI has nothing. Over a week after the monstrous slaughter, they have nothing and yet they have dismissed ISIS claims out of hand, despite the fact ISIS does not take credit for attacks that are not theirs. Not only did they take credit, they did something they never did before – they doubled and tripled down. The Islamic State (IS) featured an infographic on the Las Vegas attack in the 100th issue of its al-Naba weekly newspaper, and indicated that the shooter, “Abu Abdul Barr al-Amriki,” had converted to Islam six months ago.

Jihad is the only motive that makes any sense. And the fact that the FBI has nothing else points to that.  ...Read the rest at Pamela Geller's website

[jpsb]

According to the link, it was an open door alert in another room. Seems like the cameras set up detected him and caused him to shoot at the guard.  Now, the question remains as to why the police took so long to respond, if they had the floor and room isolated.

For me the question is what was he planning on doing? Clearly the guard spooked
him. Was the plan all along to shoot up the concert? Or did he have something else
in mind?

I'm thinking he had something else in mind, got spooked and decided to rain bullets
down on the concert crowd.

Is the reason for all those weapons in his room, because he was planning on arming
more then just himself. Were the explosives in his car part of the plan?

This new twist in the plot line changes EVERYTHING.

[Jazzhead]

driftdiver wrote:
"Look on the bright side, soon you'll be able to get a special permit identifying you as a safe traveler to allow you to bypass the security. 
Same as they did for air travel"

Assuming this was to happen...
Paddock would probably have qualified for such a permit, having no previous record.

So... how does that put us ahead?

No law could have stopped Paddock.   The issue is what sorts of laws may stop copycats.   

[driftdiver]

driftdiver wrote:
"Look on the bright side, soon you'll be able to get a special permit identifying you as a safe traveler to allow you to bypass the security. 
Same as they did for air travel"

Assuming this was to happen...
Paddock would probably have qualified for such a permit, having no previous record.

So... how does that put us ahead?

@Fishrrman

I didn't say it was better, I said it was coming to that point.

[txradioguy]

@txradioguy, @Smokin Joe. How long has that been? Mine happened about 25 years ago.

Mine was recent...just this last June in my CCDW permit class they told us the way to handle it is the way that you did.

[driftdiver]

I'm beginning to think the federal and local investigators aren't working together.  If I remember right, after 9/11, there was going to be a stronger effort at cooperation.  I don't know if that ever happened or maybe that excluded working with local authorities. 

All I know is, if the FBI and the Sheriff aren't cooperating with each other, that does not bode well for a complete, thorough and accurate investigation.

@Applewood
Its been what 7 days.  They have almost 600 victims and a crime scene the size of a small city in addition to multiple sites in different states and even one country.  Give them a break

[Frank Cannon]

@Applewood
Its been what 7 days.  They have almost 600 victims and a crime scene the size of a small city in addition to multiple sites in different states and even one country.  Give them a break

Bullshit. They keep changing the story and adding major details. How about the shot guard? How about now they think he moved into the room on the 25th, not the 28th. They think he did it solo, then had help, then he was solo again.

This is an effing casino with millions of cameras and security and they can't even get the time line down.

This whole damn investigation is a fraud. Someone is tanking it for a reason.

[driftdiver]

@Smokin Joe In NYS I was required to tell them. Got pulled over once. Had the window rolled down, License, registration, Insurance card and CCW id in my left hand and both hands on the wheel. When he walked up I very calmly told him I was carrying a loaded firearm and then said: What would you like me to do? I followed his instructions to the letter and both of us went home that day safely.
No muss no fuss and it was all good, didn't even get a ticket.

@Smokin Joe @verga

Amazing how we accept being treated like we are more dangerous than the average citizen, when CCW holders are proven to be law abiding people.    Someone who doesn't have a CCW isn't required to tell the officer they have a weapon in the car.    Yet in my experience of interacting with police, limited thankfully, the minute they find out you have a CCW they become much more tense  /scared. 

[driftdiver]

Bullshit. They keep changing the story and adding major details. How about the shot guard? How about now they think he moved into the room on the 25th, not the 28th. They think he did it solo, then had help, then he was solo again.

This is an effing casino with millions of cameras and security and they can't even get the time line down.

This whole damn investigation is a fraud. Someone is tanking it for a reason.

@Frank Cannon
Walmart is having a special on tinfoil.