Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay

[Frank Cannon]

@Frank Cannon
Walmart is having a special on tinfoil.

Everything I stated there isn't 4Chan rumor. It was directly from the sheriffs dept press briefings.

If you don't want conspiracy theories to take root, you had better get the right information out the first time and do it in an efficient manor.

[txradioguy]

@Smokin Joe @verga

Amazing how we accept being treated like we are more dangerous than the average citizen, when CCW holders are proven to be law abiding people.    Someone who doesn't have a CCW isn't required to tell the officer they have a weapon in the car.    Yet in my experience of interacting with police, limited thankfully, the minute they find out you have a CCW they become much more tense  /scared.

Yup that hand immediately goes to their gun and they take a step back.

But we're the ones that took the time to do things the legal way.

Funny how that works.

[jpsb]

This whole damn investigation is a fraud. Someone is tanking it for a reason.

Well the FBI lead McCabe is the same guy that "investigated" Hillary emails. That
should tell you all you need to know about this "investigation". Has anyone seen
Jeff Sessions?

[driftdiver]

Everything I stated there isn't 4Chan rumor. It was directly from the sheriffs dept press briefings.

If you don't want conspiracy theories to take root, you had better get the right information out the first time and do it in an efficient manor.

@Frank Cannon
Then instead of waiting a few hours for information you'll be waiting 6 months until they think they have it right.    Which would you prefer?

Its a massive crime and I'm sure there is massive confusion and chaos.   What you see as a conspiracy I see as an inability to deal with this massive crime as quickly as the nation wants.

[DCPatriot]

Bullshit. They keep changing the story and adding major details. How about the shot guard? How about now they think he moved into the room on the 25th, not the 28th. They think he did it solo, then had help, then he was solo again.

This is an effing casino with millions of cameras and security and they can't even get the time line down.

This whole damn investigation is a fraud. Someone is tanking it for a reason.

Because it puts attempts to repeal the 2nd Amendment back for at least a generation....that's why.   

[Frank Cannon]

@Frank Cannon
Its a massive crime and I'm sure there is massive confusion and chaos.   What you see as a conspiracy I see as an inability to deal with this massive crime as quickly as the nation wants.

Then they are incompetent and should be disregarded in all cases. 7 days in at the most videoed city in the world and all we get are lies?

They knew right away the guard was shot. They sat on that. They have no idea if he had an accomplice. They decided to start talking that he did then didn't.

It doesn't effing matter how impatient the public is for information. The cops muddying the water with lies is their own GD fault. They're lazy frauds and everything the FBI does suspect.

[Applewood]

@Applewood
Its been what 7 days.  They have almost 600 victims and a crime scene the size of a small city in addition to multiple sites in different states and even one country.  Give them a break

I have been saying all along that this investigation isn't like a TV crime show where everything is wrapped up in an hour. I've been trying to discard the rumors and conspiracy theories and paying attention only to the pressers. I thought I could rely on people who should be in the know -- law enforcement.

Now I'm not so sure. 

The sheriff or his assistant are the ones talking to the press, but I'm wondering who is really in charge here. The FBI isn't saying anything. Looks to me like they are feeding misinformation to the sheriff, then sitting back and letting him take the heat when something is screwed up. 

Maybe law enforcement should stop talking to the press until they get all the facts. Rumors and conspiracy theories will flourish snyway, but at least by keeping their mouths shut,  they can't be  blamed for disseminating phony facts.

[austingirl]

Everything I stated there isn't 4Chan rumor. It was directly from the sheriffs dept press briefings.

If you don't want conspiracy theories to take root, you had better get the right information out the first time and do it in an efficient manor.

Exactly. The new timeline changes everything. So does the new check in date. Facts like these should be easily verifiable in eight days. I certainly don't trust the FBI, especially with McCabe in charge.

[Frank Cannon]

Exactly. The new timeline changes everything. So does the new check in date. Facts like these should be easily verifiable in eight days. I certainly don't trust the FBI, especially with McCabe in charge.

The FBI has let the Boston Bombers go wild even though they had them on the radar. The FBI bungled the Hitlary investigation even though they had her dead to rights. The FBI is investigating the hell out of Trump for a year and have nothing to show for it.

They are the modern version of the Keystone Cops except people die when they perform their comedy.

[austingirl]

The FBI has let the Boston Bombers go wild even though they had them on the radar. The FBI bungled the Hitlary investigation even though they had her dead to rights. The FBI is investigating the hell out of Trump for a year and have nothing to show for it.

They are the modern version of the Keystone Cops except people die when they perform their comedy.

This crime is the worst mass shooting in the history of the country perpetrated by a white man and yet there is no drumbeat about domestic terrorism, white supremacy and the usual memes of the left. Why? Our rulers are hoping the people will got distracted by something else and just stop asking questions.

[driftdiver]

The FBI has let the Boston Bombers go wild even though they had them on the radar. The FBI bungled the Hitlary investigation even though they had her dead to rights. The FBI is investigating the hell out of Trump for a year and have nothing to show for it.

They are the modern version of the Keystone Cops except people die when they perform their comedy.

@Frank Cannon
They also had someone tailing the shooters that ended up attacking the Pamela Geller event.   The one that was stopped by local PD who happened to be directing traffic.   The FBI agent did nothing to stop the attack or engage the attackers once they started shooting.

The FBI is corrupt, not incompetent.   They shoot unarmed people (men, women, and children) and refuse to properly investigate actions which by definition cause severe damage to national security.

I just don't think its an FBI issue here.  More than likely this guy was severally mentally ill who probably had connections with some sort of terrorist organization.   The 100k wire and more importantly the lack of digital footprints are a red flag.  The FBI may be covering up this connection.

The change in timeline and other facts are the result of the chaos and overflow of information beyond the capability of LVPD to handle.  IMO

[austingirl]

It was really creepy watching the FBI handler at the press conference yesterday. He was watching the sheriff like a hawk, probably ready to step in if sheriff deviated from script. He also was eyeing the press to see how they were swallowing the new BS.

[Frank Cannon]

The change in timeline and other facts are the result of the chaos and overflow of information beyond the capability of LVPD to handle.  IMO

That's probably true and if it is the case they need to keep their mouth shut till details are clear. They are the ones who control the information here. Not the MSM.

[bigheadfred]

 http://www.nnettle.com/news/2894-wikileaks-the-fbi-were-behind-the-las-vegas-shooting-attack

[edpc]

Las Vegas shooter fired 'incendiary' rounds at fuel tank


http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/10/us/las-vegas-shooter-incendiary-rounds/index.html

[DB]

Las Vegas shooter fired 'incendiary' rounds at fuel tank


http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/10/us/las-vegas-shooter-incendiary-rounds/index.html

So those weren't stray shots and he had every intention of starting a huge fire.

[Fishrrman]

There's something about the "new timeline" that just ain't right.

We're told that Paddock fired in the neighborhood of 200 rounds through the door at the security guard BEFORE he started firing at the crowd. Seems to me that after 200 rounds (probably .223 from an AR) there wouldn't be much of a door left. Pretty much blown away.

The security guard was shot in the leg, but was still conscious. I assume as soon as he was shot, he must have informed the front desk of his location and circumstances.
And there were already cops in the hotel, if I recall correctly (on another call).

And given these facts, no police could get to where the guard was in relatively short order?
Leaving Paddock with about 12 minutes of "open firing" on the crowd?

And then the police finally arrived -- after he stopped shooting and had [presumably] killed himself -- and didn't attempt to enter the room (probably a room without a door that could easily be "seen into")?

C'mon, folks.
This ain't right.
What the heck was going on here?

[DB]

There's something about the "new timeline" that just ain't right.

We're told that Paddock fired in the neighborhood of 200 rounds through the door at the security guard BEFORE he started firing at the crowd. Seems to me that after 200 rounds (probably .223 from an AR) there wouldn't be much of a door left. Pretty much blown away.

The security guard was shot in the leg, but was still conscious. I assume as soon as he was shot, he must have informed the front desk of his location and circumstances.
And there were already cops in the hotel, if I recall correctly (on another call).

And given these facts, no police could get to where the guard was in relatively short order?
Leaving Paddock with about 12 minutes of "open firing" on the crowd?

And then the police finally arrived -- after he stopped shooting and had [presumably] killed himself -- and didn't attempt to enter the room (probably a room without a door that could easily be "seen into")?

C'mon, folks.
This ain't right.
What the heck was going on here?

Well in the cops defense, how exactly do you go about approaching a room like that? You don't know if there are explosives rigged, how many are in the room, what weapons you are facing, etc... High powered rifles will penetrate many "bullet proof" vests at close range. You have to go look at surveillance video to try to find out how many are up there and then get special equipment to deal with a very unknown and dangerous situation. Did it take too long, perhaps, but it was a very difficult problem to deal with.

And to add to that, you don't know if there are other attackers in nearby rooms waiting in ambush jihad style...

[Bigun]

Well in the cops defense, how exactly do you go about approaching a room like that? You don't know if there are explosives rigged, how many are in the room, what weapons you are facing, etc... High powered rifles will penetrate many "bullet proof" vests at close range. You have to go look at surveillance video to try to find out how many are up there and then get special equipment to deal with a very unknown and dangerous situation. Did it take too long, perhaps, but it was a very difficult problem to deal with.

And to add to that, you don't know if there are other attackers in nearby rooms waiting in ambush jihad style...

Robots.  But I doubt they were on hand at that point in time.

[edpc]

And then the police finally arrived -- after he stopped shooting and had [presumably] killed himself -- and didn't attempt to enter the room (probably a room without a door that could easily be "seen into")?

C'mon, folks.
This ain't right.
What the heck was going on here?

One of the reasons given for the delay in entering the room was the cameras and wiring on the food cart in the hallway.  The weren't certain the hall, door, and room weren't wired with explosives.

[Applewood]

CNN says this  latest story about the fuel tanks came from two law enforcement sources.  Which ones?  The Sheriff's office?  The FBI?  And these sources were "briefed on the investigation but not authorized to speak publicly." 

Not sure I trust the veracity of this latest story.

[bigheadfred]

There's something about the "new timeline" that just ain't right.

We're told that Paddock fired in the neighborhood of 200 rounds through the door at the security guard BEFORE he started firing at the crowd. Seems to me that after 200 rounds (probably .223 from an AR) there wouldn't be much of a door left. Pretty much blown away.

The security guard was shot in the leg, but was still conscious. I assume as soon as he was shot, he must have informed the front desk of his location and circumstances.
And there were already cops in the hotel, if I recall correctly (on another call).

And given these facts, no police could get to where the guard was in relatively short order?
Leaving Paddock with about 12 minutes of "open firing" on the crowd?

And then the police finally arrived -- after he stopped shooting and had [presumably] killed himself -- and didn't attempt to enter the room (probably a room without a door that could easily be "seen into")?

C'mon, folks.
This ain't right.
What the heck was going on here?

It was a set up by the FBI. Paddock wasn't the shooter. He was the patsy. The "live" stream was prevoiusly recorded and then streamed to hide the getaway of the actual shooter(s).

The FBI wants misinformation out there to rile up the conspiracy theories to elicit people to reveal facts. Like bait. See what I mean? They say one thing and then see who contradicts that information.

Or.

They really are totally incompetent fools.

[Cyber Liberty]

It was a set up by the FBI. Paddock wasn't the shooter. He was the patsy. The "live" stream was prevoiusly recorded and then streamed to hide the getaway of the actual shooter(s).

The FBI wants misinformation out there to rile up the conspiracy theories to elicit people to reveal facts. Like bait. See what I mean? They say one thing and then see who contradicts that information.

Or.

They really are totally incompetent fools.

Occam's Razor.

[edpc]

CNN says this  latest story about the fuel tanks came from two law enforcement sources.  Which ones?  The Sheriff's office?  The FBI?  And these sources were "briefed on the investigation but not authorized to speak publicly." 

Not sure I trust the veracity of this latest story.

One of the problems with high profile news stories is the fact outlets rush to get information out and people involved in the investigation may not have the full picture or may have their own agenda.

[Applewood]

One of the problems with high profile news stories is the fact outlets rush to get information out and people involved in the investigation may not have the full picture or may have their own agenda.

I can understand the need for anonymous sources, but lately, I wonder if these anonymous sources are in someone's head.