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« on: September 14, 2017, 03:38:48 pm »

Fox & Friends: Maybe Trump’s Wall Was “Symbolic”

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Minutes later, Fox & Friends‘ Steve Doocy floated the idea that the whole wall might have been “symbolic” and that maybe we would get to a point where “they won’t build the wall.”


https://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2017/09/fox-friends-maybe-trumps-wall-symbolic/

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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2017, 03:43:29 pm »
   They're stealing @Emjay ideas again. She mentioned this last night.
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2017, 03:45:26 pm »
Donald J. Trump on August 31, 2016:

"We will build a great wall along the southern border," he said to cries of "build the wall" from the boisterous crowd. "And Mexico will pay for the wall."

He later said the wall would be "impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful."


No mention of it also being symbolic.   :tongue2:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/01/trump-doubles-down-on-impenetrable-physical-wall-during-immigration-speech.html
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Re: Fox & Friends: Maybe Trump’s Wall Was “Symbolic”
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Fox & Friends: Maybe Trump’s Wall Was “Symbolic”

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Minutes later, Fox & Friends‘ Steve Doocy floated the idea that the whole wall might have been “symbolic” and that maybe we would get to a point where “they won’t build the wall.”


https://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2017/09/fox-friends-maybe-trumps-wall-symbolic/

Yeah?  Well riddle me this, Fox.  How does one go about making Mexico pay for a symbol?

Normally.... it would be pretty funny to watch the dawning of reality and the resultant withdrawal (in more ways than one) of expectations re: Trump following through on his promises, past AND recent.  But... I seem to be losing my sense of humor for 'some' reason.

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Re: Fox & Friends: Maybe Trump’s Wall Was “Symbolic”
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2017, 03:53:51 pm »
Donald J. Trump on August 31, 2016:

"We will build a great wall along the southern border," he said to cries of "build the wall" from the boisterous crowd. "And Mexico will pay for the wall."

He later said the wall would be "impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful."


No mention of it also being symbolic.   :tongue2:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/01/trump-doubles-down-on-impenetrable-physical-wall-during-immigration-speech.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlIGom24qqc
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2017, 04:20:13 pm »
Who was the Sen or Rep who came out during the general, one of the first to support Trump, and told us Trump meant for the wall to be virtual, not a real wall?  And all the ATs told us that guy was full of crap.

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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2017, 04:34:36 pm »
Crying over this wall is ridiculous. Nobody in his right mind ever believed that wall would be built.  Now he gets to blame Turtle and Ryan for it. Stupid pubbies. Trump is laughing his ass off.

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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2017, 04:45:30 pm »
Crying over this wall is ridiculous. Nobody in his right mind ever believed that wall would be built.  Now he gets to blame Turtle and Ryan for it. Stupid pubbies. Trump is laughing his ass off.

Sure were a number of Trump supporters that insisted that wall was going to be built.

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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2017, 04:54:46 pm »
Donald J. Trump on August 31, 2016:

He later said the wall would be "impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful."

Its says it right there...I bolded it for you.

You just have to understand Trumpspeak, where down is up, and up is down, and physical is symbolic!
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2017, 04:56:59 pm »
   They're stealing @Emjay ideas again. She mentioned this last night.

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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2017, 04:57:51 pm »
Its says it right there...I bolded it for you.

You just have to understand Trumpspeak, where down is up, and up is down, and physical is symbolic!

Yep, I'm definitely not up on my Trumpspeak because I don't understand how a symbolic wall gets 10 feet higher. 

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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2017, 05:01:06 pm »
Sure were a number of Trump supporters that insisted that wall was going to be built.

Not this one. I find it hard to believe any of them did.

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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2017, 05:01:54 pm »
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Re: Fox & Friends: Maybe Trump’s Wall Was “Symbolic”
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2017, 05:02:08 pm »
Yep, I'm definitely not up on my Trumpspeak because I don't understand how a symbolic wall gets 10 feet higher. 

 :silly:

It's real simple.  You must first have an active imagination.  You must be able to "imagine" the wall growing ten feet higher, IOW.

And hey....that High-Tech stuff re: the wall?  It's probably just a hologram (projected, pardon pun)....lol.

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« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2017, 05:05:00 pm »
Donald J. Trump on August 31, 2016:

"We will build a great wall along the southern border," he said to cries of "build the wall" from the boisterous crowd. "And Mexico will pay for the wall."

He later said the wall would be "impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful."


No mention of it also being symbolic.   :tongue2:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/01/trump-doubles-down-on-impenetrable-physical-wall-during-immigration-speech.html

Hold on now.  (Anyone remember him from TOS)  Why is everybody is a virtual tizzy.  This was just an idea tossed out by a guy on Fox and Friends.

Personally, I think the wall was both real and symbolic.  I think Trump meant a real wall and I think his supporters expected a real wall, but we knew all along it wasn't feasible, given the length of the border and the terrain and the fact that many states are involved.

But The Wall also became symbolic of our desire to have our country protected from illegals.  I read yesterday that the majority of illegal entrants are no longer majority Mexican, so that's scary right there.
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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2017, 05:05:08 pm »
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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2017, 05:06:21 pm »
Video of DJT keeping steadfast on a position...



Oh look... the black guy that 'transgendered' into a white woman (at least appearance-wise) and started all of the 'transgendering' crap.  He made it "popular" and a fad. 

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« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2017, 05:10:19 pm »
Hold on now.  (Anyone remember him from TOS)  Why is everybody is a virtual tizzy.  This was just an idea tossed out by a guy on Fox and Friends.

Personally, I think the wall was both real and symbolic.  I think Trump meant a real wall and I think his supporters expected a real wall, but we knew all along it wasn't feasible, given the length of the border and the terrain and the fact that many states are involved.

But The Wall also became symbolic of our desire to have our country protected from illegals.  I read yesterday that the majority of illegal entrants are no longer majority Mexican, so that's scary right there.


You just reflected a major issue in this. You are applying your belief to fit the narrative. These are real, major, geopolitical and legal promises that are actionable and measurable. They aren't subject to what one believes. They are subject to the real, measurable goal that was promised and is now being backtracked on....

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Fox & Friends: Maybe Trump’s Wall Was “Symbolic”

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Minutes later, Fox & Friends‘ Steve Doocy floated the idea that the whole wall might have been “symbolic” and that maybe we would get to a point where “they won’t build the wall.”


https://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2017/09/fox-friends-maybe-trumps-wall-symbolic/

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« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2017, 05:28:13 pm »

You just reflected a major issue in this. You are applying your belief to fit the narrative. These are real, major, geopolitical and legal promises that are actionable and measurable. They aren't subject to what one believes. They are subject to the real, measurable goal that was promised and is now being backtracked on....

Well, everyone applies his or her beliefs to whatever subject is being discussed.

Trump is not exactly a deep thinker.  He's envisioned a lot of huge projects and they have come to pass.  Trump Tower and Mar-a-Lago for a couple of examples.  I think he thought we could build a real wall.

He also thought that if he were president he could accomplish stuff in the same way the head of a company can.  He didn't realize that a president's powers are severely limited by congress and the courts.

So, I don't think this was an empty promise when he made it and I think his supporters wanted a real wall and believed we could have one. 

And maybe we can someday ... at least in some places.

I don't think Trump has abandoned the idea of a real wall entirely.  I just think reality has sunk it that it will take much longer and be much harder than he thought it would be.
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« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2017, 05:37:01 pm »
Trump is not exactly a deep thinker.  He's envisioned a lot of huge projects and they have come to pass.  Trump Tower and Mar-a-Lago for a couple of examples.  I think he thought we could build a real wall.

Just a little point... Mar-a-Lago was built in the 1920s.
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« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2017, 05:38:47 pm »
Just a little point... Mar-a-Lago was built in the 1920s.

That's a Very Little point and not at all applicable to our present discussion, but if that's all you got.
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« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2017, 05:50:08 pm »
Hold on now.  (Anyone remember him from TOS)  Why is everybody is a virtual tizzy.  This was just an idea tossed out by a guy on Fox and Friends.

Personally, I think the wall was both real and symbolic.  I think Trump meant a real wall and I think his supporters expected a real wall, but we knew all along it wasn't feasible, given the length of the border and the terrain and the fact that many states are involved.

But The Wall also became symbolic of our desire to have our country protected from illegals.  I read yesterday that the majority of illegal entrants are no longer majority Mexican, so that's scary right there.
Well, everyone applies his or her beliefs to whatever subject is being discussed.

Trump is not exactly a deep thinker.  He's envisioned a lot of huge projects and they have come to pass.  Trump Tower and Mar-a-Lago for a couple of examples.  I think he thought we could build a real wall.

He also thought that if he were president he could accomplish stuff in the same way the head of a company can.  He didn't realize that a president's powers are severely limited by congress and the courts.

So, I don't think this was an empty promise when he made it and I think his supporters wanted a real wall and believed we could have one. 

And maybe we can someday ... at least in some places.

I don't think Trump has abandoned the idea of a real wall entirely.  I just think reality has sunk it that it will take much longer and be much harder than he thought it would be.

This is some of the most convoluted nonsense I have ever read in support of Trump.

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« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2017, 06:03:39 pm »
Just a little point... Mar-a-Lago was built in the 1920s.

Also, many of the 'Trump' branded buildings, he didn't actually build, contract the building, or even oversee the project. He just licensed the use of his name to them.

That seems to be quite germane in a discussion of what he accomplishes.