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Re: Fox & Friends: Maybe Trump’s Wall Was “Symbolic”
« Reply #50 on: September 15, 2017, 04:28:26 am »
https://www.redstate.com/absentee/2017/09/14/breaking-trumps-morning-tweet-serious-slap-face-base/

A quote from your last link:

"If only we could've known Trump was a lying, dishonest, greedy, narcissistic, self-centered reality show, carnival barking jackwagon who cared about nothing but himself and how he looks to others. If only there would've been people who tried to warn others that Trump was and always has been a charlatan.

But who knew?"

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Re: Fox & Friends: Maybe Trump’s Wall Was “Symbolic”
« Reply #51 on: September 15, 2017, 04:41:47 am »
A quote from your last link:

"If only we could've known Trump was a lying, dishonest, greedy, narcissistic, self-centered reality show, carnival barking jackwagon who cared about nothing but himself and how he looks to others. If only there would've been people who tried to warn others that Trump was and always has been a charlatan.

But who knew?"

Yeah, funny.  I knew, and many of us did warn others during the primaries.  Trump said things that exposed him but people were too far into the art of the deal.

Something tells me though that he won't be holding any more rallies for his ego.  The backlash for what he just did and said was swift.





Trump Backpedals on Amnesty Deal After Massive Blowback from Base


Reports of a grand amnesty bargain with Democrats brought swift and intense backlash from the president’s base.

On “The Laura Ingraham Show” Thursday, caller after caller railed against Trump’s potential DACA deal. The disappointment — and anger — was palpable.

“This is the most absolute betrayal,” said Barret from Washington State. “You thought that George Bush’s ‘Read my lips, no new taxes’ [was bad]; this is 10 times that on steroids, I guarantee it,” he said.

Rob from Connecticut said Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) is owed an apology.

“I just want to say that we shouldn’t be surprised because all during the primaries we had ‘lyin’ Ted’ telling us that Donald Trump is lying about the wall, he’s lying about amnesty, and we were laughing at Ted Cruz,” said Rob. “We should be apologizing to him right now and saying, ‘Thank you for warning us, and we’re sorry we didn’t believe you.'”

Numerous callers said that Trump’s tough stance on illegal aliens was a primary reason they voted for him.

“I voted for Trump for one reason only, and that was for immigration, and I’m thoroughly disgusted,” said Rachel in Arizona.

“This morning I have PTSD — Pelosi Trump Schumer Disorder,” said one caller named Jody. “I am done if they don’t build the wall,” she said. “I said if he does two things I’ll vote for him again in four years — build the wall and appoint Supreme Court conservative justices, but it takes both. I’m done if he doesn’t build the wall.”

That some of Trump’s most ardent former supporters are ready to jump ship after less than a year illustrates the extent to which any potential DACA deal with Democrats would be a serious mistake for Trump heading into the 2018 midterm elections.

“He asked if we wanted to throw out the good, educated dreamers,” said Marie in Florida, in reference to one of Trump’s Thursday tweets. “The answer is yes. The hard-working Americans want them gone, and if these illegals are so great and accomplished, send them back to Mexico where they can make Mexico great again.”

‘I’m outraged,” said Pete in Arizona. “I’ve been a Trump supporter from the very beginning, since the primaries, and he is isolating himself from his base, and we’re not going to take it.”

“I didn’t vote for his personality, I voted for policies and a platform, and if he’s going to depart from those policies and promises, I’m done with the Pence-Trump ticket,” said Susan from Indiana.

“Build the wall or lose my support,” said a caller named Brian.

It’s clear that Trump’s supporters feel betrayed, frustrated, and above all fearful for America’s future. They are no longer sure that the man who campaigned on making America great again has the will or desire to do so.

“When I look at Trump, I voted for him because he got on that stage and he played smash-mouth politics — he got up there and … he said that he was going to fight for the American people, he was going to fight for the middle class and the lower class,” said caller Jeff. “I voted for him primarily because of his immigration and economic policies,[yet] here it is now he’s bowing to the Establishment.”

The reaction from hard-line immigration activists and experts tracked the feelings from grass-roots voters.

“Trump deserves as much disdain as we can muster to push back against his very clear and documented effort to plot an amnesty with Democrats,” William Gheen, president of the Americans for Legal Immigration political action committee, told LifeZette’s Brendan Kirby on Thursday.


http://www.libertyheadlines.com/trump-backpedals-amnesty-deal-massive-blowback-base/
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« Reply #52 on: September 15, 2017, 10:52:11 am »
And now a word from Donald J. Trump...............


Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump · 17h17 hours ago 


Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....



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 Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump · 17h17 hours ago 


The WALL, which is already under construction in the form of new renovation of old and existing fences and walls, will continue to be built.



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I bet all those Trump voters didn't realize that the wall was patching holes in the existing fence.





Fixed it!!!  :silly:

Yes we do want you to throw them out!

https://www.redstate.com/absentee/2017/09/14/breaking-trumps-morning-tweet-serious-slap-face-base/

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Re: Fox & Friends: Maybe Trump’s Wall Was “Symbolic”
« Reply #53 on: September 15, 2017, 04:15:21 pm »
No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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Re: Fox & Friends: Maybe Trump’s Wall Was “Symbolic”
« Reply #54 on: September 15, 2017, 04:42:42 pm »
Well, maybe to you but it wasn't my point at all.  My point was that Trump's viewpoint as a businessman was that he could manage to get something built or done if he really wanted to. 

My use of the buildings wasn't relevant ... just an example of how he was thinking.

Now that he's President, he's been forced to realize that he can't just do something because he thinks it needs to be done.  He's got to get past the courts and the congress and that has proven difficult.

I think he meant what he said about the wall and I think he believed he could do it.  I think his supporters believed it also.

We'll see what happens.  He hasn't given up on the wall.  He said that today. 

Other things are more important to me.  DACA is one.

Should one understand the job in order to be minimally qualified?  Your description of "his thinking" reads like an admission that he was never qualified to hold the position...

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« Reply #55 on: September 15, 2017, 04:46:09 pm »
The sidestep..... a well-known politician dance routine.


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Re: Fox & Friends: Maybe Trump’s Wall Was “Symbolic”
« Reply #56 on: September 15, 2017, 04:48:11 pm »
Should one understand the job in order to be minimally qualified?  Your description of "his thinking" reads like an admission that he was never qualified to hold the position...

But then.... neither was Hillary "qualified" to hold the position.   The only thing I see that we have to be grateful for is.... with a president Hillary, there would have been no way, no how to EVER hold her feet to the fire and hold her accountable for what she said or did.   At least we have a 'chance', albeit slim, to hold Trump's feet to that fire over his words and deeds.  Why?  Because even many of his "own side" (term used loosely in Trump's case) are on his case about decisions and actions he makes, and trying to hold him accountable.  With the Democrats, all you ever get is that circling the wagons crap and they get away with, quite literally, even murder.

 
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Re: Fox & Friends: Maybe Trump’s Wall Was “Symbolic”
« Reply #57 on: September 15, 2017, 04:48:49 pm »
He tried a travel ban but it was shot down by judges.  Liberal judges.

Remember, the travel ban was put in place for "90 days while we figure out what is going on."  Although it was "shot down" by lower courts and just upheld by the USSC, it has been more than 90 days.  Has Trump, and his administration, "figured out what is going on?"

If yes, then his answer seems to be that we need to codify DACA into law via legislative action.  If no, then why not?

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« Reply #58 on: September 15, 2017, 04:50:37 pm »
The wall is in our hearts.  ❤️

Wrong!  "The Wall" is a 2 disc album set that is in my CD case!

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« Reply #59 on: September 15, 2017, 04:58:11 pm »
But then.... neither was Hillary "qualified" to hold the position.   The only thing I see that we have to be grateful for is.... with a president Hillary, there would have been no way, no how to EVER hold her feet to the fire and hold her accountable for what she said or did.   At least we have a 'chance', albeit slim, to hold Trump's feet to that fire over his words and deeds.  Why?  Because even many of his "own side" (term used loosely in Trump's case) are on his case about decisions and actions he makes, and trying to hold him accountable.  With the Democrats, all you ever get is that circling the wagons crap and they get away with, quite literally, even murder.

 

I understand your point and do wish that Trump would listen to those trying to hold him accountable.  However, as we can see, his nature is to begin to work with the Democrats to "spite" those trying to push him in the right direction.  He has no interest in the health of our nation, regardless of his "love" for it.  His interest is himself.  Period.....

Hence, my question regarding his qualification to be in the position!  That said, you're right, Hillary wasn't either.  What a sad state of affairs for us all.

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Re: Fox & Friends: Maybe Trump’s Wall Was “Symbolic”
« Reply #60 on: September 15, 2017, 05:08:57 pm »
Should one understand the job in order to be minimally qualified?  Your description of "his thinking" reads like an admission that he was never qualified to hold the position...

An admission?  That's an odd way to put it since I spent the entire primary season explaining that Trump was not fit to hold the office.

No, Trump was not qualified to be President but I thought he might be able to be a decent one.

I know there are stern people here who get all cranky if anyone says he was better than Hillary but he was and is better than Hillary.

He started out well.  Everyone liked his Supreme Court pick and that's a lasting legacy.  I also liked most of his cabinet appointments.

I wanted to give him a chance and hope he would be a moderately good president and I still do.

The last few days have been brutal for Trump but I'm still not seeing mass disillusion on my Facebook page.  I haven't gone over to TOS but I would guess they are hanging in with him.

We'll see.
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« Reply #61 on: September 15, 2017, 05:12:09 pm »
I know there are stern people here who get all cranky if anyone says he was better than Hillary but he was and is better than Hillary.

That, I believe, is now no longer to be considered categorically true.
But then, I never thought it to be true in the first place.

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« Reply #62 on: September 15, 2017, 05:15:10 pm »
That, I believe, is now no longer to be considered categorically true.
But then, I never thought it to be true in the first place.

If anything is true in this entire known universe, it is that almost anyone is better than Hillary and that includes Trump.
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« Reply #63 on: September 15, 2017, 05:22:17 pm »
But then.... neither was Hillary "qualified" to hold the position.   The only thing I see that we have to be grateful for is.... with a president Hillary, there would have been no way, no how to EVER hold her feet to the fire and hold her accountable for what she said or did.   At least we have a 'chance', albeit slim, to hold Trump's feet to that fire over his words and deeds.  Why?  Because even many of his "own side" (term used loosely in Trump's case) are on his case about decisions and actions he makes, and trying to hold him accountable.  With the Democrats, all you ever get is that circling the wagons crap and they get away with, quite literally, even murder.

 

Thank you, XenaLee, for retaining some sanity.

I just discovered that many people have lost what little they possessed. 

Trump has made some bad decisions lately and, since he and Melania chose to spend yesterday going to the disaster area in Florida, he hasn't been around to explain or refute them.

Trump won by espousing certain principles and he needs to stick to them. 

He made some good points about the economy yesterday and helping business which would help workers and the middle-class.

We are so much better off with Trump than we would have been with Hillary that it is not even debatable.
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« Reply #64 on: September 15, 2017, 05:24:18 pm »
That, I believe, is now no longer to be considered categorically true.
But then, I never thought it to be true in the first place.

I just read your post again. 

You never thought Trump was better than Hillary?  Really?  Honestly?

Wow! 
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« Reply #65 on: September 15, 2017, 05:28:13 pm »
I just read your post again. 

You never thought Trump was better than Hillary?  Really?  Honestly?

Wow!

No appreciable difference.

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« Reply #66 on: September 15, 2017, 05:33:58 pm »
Thank you, XenaLee, for retaining some sanity.

I just discovered that many people have lost what little they possessed. 

Trump has made some bad decisions lately and, since he and Melania chose to spend yesterday going to the disaster area in Florida, he hasn't been around to explain or refute them.

Trump won by espousing certain principles and he needs to stick to them. 

He made some good points about the economy yesterday and helping business which would help workers and the middle-class.

We are so much better off with Trump than we would have been with Hillary that it is not even debatable.

The problem I see currently (or most of it) relates to the ongoing uncertainty surrounding what Trump will do or what Trump will say on any given day, 24/7.   Now... while it's true that much of that uncertainty comes from his bewildering tweeting behavior.... it is also true that 'most' of the uncertainty is being created and fomented by rabid, leftist media cretins. 

The level of disinformation and hyperbole being pushed and spread by the idiot left is truly stunning.  And I just 'thought' that it couldn't get any worse than it was under George Bush.... as the radical left and their pressholes 'talked down' the economy for eight years under Bush (until they finally managed to tank it).

That said, Trump is not helping the matter by not clarifying anything and everything the left is mischaracterizing (lying) about.   He needs to get out front of any/every.... single... lie they tell and spread... and if he can't handle that job, he needs to appoint a "Counter-Disinformation Czar" that can and will handle it.

The only way the left can continue to attack Trump is via manipulating and swaying public opinion and perception, in preparation for 2018 and 2020....and trust me.... Trump will lose that war if he doesn't wise the hell up.... quick.




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« Reply #67 on: September 15, 2017, 06:12:16 pm »
Wrong!  "The Wall" is a 2 disc album set that is in my CD case!

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« Reply #68 on: September 15, 2017, 06:14:11 pm »
No appreciable difference.

@RoosGirl

It's like Steve Deace said:  "They told me if I didn't vote for Trump, we would still have Obamacare, the wall wouldn't be built, and Planned Parenthood wouldn't be defunded.  And they were right."

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« Reply #69 on: September 15, 2017, 06:20:20 pm »
The problem I see currently (or most of it) relates to the ongoing uncertainty surrounding what Trump will do or what Trump will say on any given day, 24/7.   Now... while it's true that much of that uncertainty comes from his bewildering tweeting behavior.... it is also true that 'most' of the uncertainty is being created and fomented by rabid, leftist media cretins. 

The level of disinformation and hyperbole being pushed and spread by the idiot left is truly stunning.  And I just 'thought' that it couldn't get any worse than it was under George Bush.... as the radical left and their pressholes 'talked down' the economy for eight years under Bush (until they finally managed to tank it).

That said, Trump is not helping the matter by not clarifying anything and everything the left is mischaracterizing (lying) about.   He needs to get out front of any/every.... single... lie they tell and spread... and if he can't handle that job, he needs to appoint a "Counter-Disinformation Czar" that can and will handle it.

The only way the left can continue to attack Trump is via manipulating and swaying public opinion and perception, in preparation for 2018 and 2020....and trust me.... Trump will lose that war if he doesn't wise the hell up.... quick.

Yes, the media has lost any semblance of fairness or balance and sold whatever soul they had in their attempts to destroy Trump.

He hasn't helped all that much.

I just watched Sarah Sanders presser and it was interesting.  This is Friday and Trump has a major policy speech scheduled for Tuesday.

According to Sarah, Trump is so concerned about border security and accomplishing that, that he is attempting to deal with the dems to trade ... that is, they will come aboard on a wall and border security if he gives a little on DACA.

I'm not smart enough to know which is more important.  Maybe in the long run, border security might help the country more than letting some illegals stay, infuriating as that is.

So, the next few days should tell us a lot.
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« Reply #70 on: September 15, 2017, 06:22:53 pm »
I'm thinking about putting everyone who thinks there's no difference between Hillary and Trump on ignore ... because how could I respect anything else they could possibly say.
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« Reply #71 on: September 15, 2017, 06:27:09 pm »
I'm thinking about putting everyone who thinks there's no difference between Hillary and Trump on ignore ... because how could I respect anything else they could possibly say.

You may be ignoring so many people, you won't have anyone to talk to. 

Can I be first on your ignore list?

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« Reply #72 on: September 15, 2017, 06:29:17 pm »
I'm thinking about putting everyone who thinks there's no difference between Hillary and Trump on ignore ... because how could I respect anything else they could possibly say.

@Emjay

Well, it might've been different.  @RoosGirl and I both proposed that we bury the hatchet, but you didn't see fit to respond.

So in my case, feel free to hit that old button.   *waving goodbye*

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« Reply #73 on: September 15, 2017, 06:29:58 pm »
You may be ignoring so many people, you won't have anyone to talk to. 

Can I be first on your ignore list?

No, but you can be third if you will hereby state that you think Trump is as bad as Hillary would be.
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« Reply #74 on: September 15, 2017, 06:33:21 pm »
@Emjay

Well, it might've been different.  @RoosGirl and I both proposed that we bury the hatchet, but you didn't see fit to respond.

So in my case, feel free to hit that old button.   *waving goodbye*

@RoosGirl @CatherineofAragon

I wanted to respond but I made the decision that we would never truly get along and that we are not good for each other.  I felt that if I responded to either of you in the future, you would again get so angry at me that it would bring out the worst in you.

None of us want to see that again, at least I don't.  So, without bearing any ill will, I will stick by my choice to not engage either of you good ladies. 
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