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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #100 on: September 14, 2017, 01:04:42 pm »
numbers.............

Despite their failure to advance President Trump’s agenda, congressional Republicans aren’t happy about his outreach to Democrats in the House and Senate, but most voters think it’s a great idea.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 66% of Likely U.S. Voters say it is good for the country if Trump works with congressional Democrats to advance his agenda. Just 13% think the bipartisan cooperation is bad for the country, while 21% are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Only 19% believe the president should continue to rely on congressional Republicans to pass his agenda. That’s down from 29% in early April. Sixty-five percent (65%) now feel he should reach out more to Democrats in Congress for help versus 58% who felt that way five months ago. Sixteen percent (16%) are not sure.

Republicans (72%) are even more enthusiastic about the president working with congressional Democrats than Democrats (62%) and voters not affiliated with either major party (63%) are.
The question arises of whether this was "bipartisan cooperation" or just a coup handed to the Democrats. There are going to have to be some Dem votes to get revenue measures through the Senate, especially with McCain, Collins, Graham, and Murkowski, et. al. jumping ship on critical matters, but the only way this is 'bipartisan' is that the POTUS went to the Senate Dems, so I'm seeing some mislabeling here.
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #101 on: September 14, 2017, 01:08:33 pm »
Yes, it does.  Sort of like democracy.
You must be looking long term. 'After the rubble is cleared from the streets' long term. Even that doesn't seem to be working so well for places which have tried it.
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #102 on: September 14, 2017, 01:10:11 pm »
Great.  Thanks. @Concerned

You're welcome @Right_in_Virginia.  I'm not sure though why you think it's "great" that the President has failed, abandoned, and/or has no viable path forward on many of his signature promises (e.g., “Lock her up”, “draining the swamp”, Mexico paying for the wall). 
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #103 on: September 14, 2017, 01:13:13 pm »
We're supposed to just ignore those promises and cheer his lurch towards the left.

At least that's what the blind followers of Trump want us to do.
Actually he is following unfortunate precedent.
The members of Congress who promised to secure the borders, end Obamacare (not just change the label), reform the tax code, etc., etc., have consistently managed to renege on their promises too, many not making any visible effort whatsoever to further those ends which they were elected to pursue.

Nor, as it turns out, have nay meaningful attempts been made to enforce the law against other politicians who have made egregious and frequent (and on occasion, ridiculously rampant) violations of our laws.

For all this talk of a new Sheriff in town, I'm just seeing bid'ness as usual.
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #104 on: September 14, 2017, 01:16:57 pm »
Actually he is following unfortunate precedent.
The members of Congress who promised to secure the borders, end Obamacare (not just change the label), reform the tax code, etc., etc., have consistently managed to renege on their promises too, many not making any visible effort whatsoever to further those ends which they were elected to pursue.

Nor, as it turns out, have nay meaningful attempts been made to enforce the law against other politicians who have made egregious and frequent (and on occasion, ridiculously rampant) violations of our laws.

For all this talk of a new Sheriff in town, I'm just seeing bid'ness as usual.

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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #105 on: September 14, 2017, 01:19:20 pm »
For all this talk of a new Sheriff in town, I'm just seeing bid'ness as usual.

And that was his intent all along.  He just said the right things to say that would get the voters riled up enough to elect him.

Now he's laughing at those same people as he continues with the same old Washington Two Step.
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #106 on: September 14, 2017, 01:20:04 pm »
You're welcome @Right_in_Virginia.  I'm not sure though why you think it's "great" that the President has failed, abandoned, ....

I thought this was obvious @Concerned --- I do not agree with you. 

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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #107 on: September 14, 2017, 01:25:09 pm »
And that was his intent all along.  He just said the right things to say that would get the voters riled up enough to elect him.

Now he's laughing at those same people as he continues with the same old Washington Two Step.

Fast forward to 1/20/2021: before leaving the White House for the final time, he promises to work with the new President to "build an AMAZING wall on the Southern border".
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #108 on: September 14, 2017, 01:25:22 pm »
I thought this was obvious @Concerned --- I do not agree with you.

You think that Trump working with the democrats to subvert...nevermind, it's not like you're actually going to answer the question anyway.

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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #109 on: September 14, 2017, 01:27:32 pm »

Now he's laughing at those same people as he continues with the same old Washington Two Step.

Oh, but this isn't the same ol' same ol'.
This time we'll get Gang of 8 Amnesty.
This time we'll get Single-Payer Health Care.
And it will be 'bipartisan'.

There is but a tiny contingent of Conservatives standing in the way.

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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #110 on: September 14, 2017, 01:29:29 pm »
Oh, but this isn't the same ol' same ol'.
This time we'll get Gang of 8 Amnesty.
This time we'll get Single-Payer Health Care.
And it will be 'bipartisan'.

There is but a tiny contingent of Conservatives standing in the way.

182 Texans held off an entire Army once...
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #111 on: September 14, 2017, 01:33:22 pm »
I thought this was obvious @Concerned --- I do not agree with you.

So, @Right_in_Virginia, you think the President has "a viable path forward on many of his signature promises (e.g., “Lock her up”, “draining the swamp”, Mexico paying for the wall)."  How so?
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #112 on: September 14, 2017, 01:34:54 pm »
So, @Right_in_Virginia, you think the President has "a viable path forward on many of his signature promises (e.g., “Lock her up”, “draining the swamp”, Mexico paying for the wall)."  How so?

She will make it happen by the sheer force of her will!   :laugh:
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #113 on: September 14, 2017, 01:36:20 pm »
She will make it happen by the sheer force of her will!   :laugh:

LOL!  No worries @Bigun  ...  thankfully I won't have to.  :laugh:

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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #114 on: September 14, 2017, 01:39:54 pm »
So, @Right_in_Virginia, you think the President has "a viable path forward on many of his signature promises (e.g., “Lock her up”, “draining the swamp”, Mexico paying for the wall)."  How so?

I know you're new here @Concerned (welcome! BTW).  But I've already discussed this ad nauseam and I'm not inclined to revisit this tiresome debate again --- at least not today.  ^-^

Thanks for understanding.

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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #115 on: September 14, 2017, 01:40:19 pm »
She will make it happen by the sheer force of her will!   :laugh:

No, I suspect she, like many Trump supporters, will simply ignore the signature, broken promises rather than acknowledge that they were conned.   22222frying pan JMO.
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #116 on: September 14, 2017, 01:41:20 pm »
I know you're new here @Concerned (welcome! BTW).  But I've already discussed this ad nauseam and I'm not inclined to revisit this tiresome debate again --- at least not today.  ^-^

Thanks for understanding.

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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #117 on: September 14, 2017, 01:41:34 pm »
LOL!  No worries @Bigun  ...  thankfully I won't have to.  :laugh:

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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #118 on: September 14, 2017, 01:43:10 pm »
No, I suspect she, like many Trump supporters, will simply ignore the signature, broken promises rather than acknowledge that they were conned.   22222frying pan JMO.

When you are smitten you are just smitten!  Can't do a dammed thing about it!
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #119 on: September 14, 2017, 01:49:45 pm »
No, I suspect she, like many Trump supporters, will simply ignore the signature, broken promises rather than acknowledge that they were conned.   

Your suspicions are meaningless @Concerned 

But thanks for sharing.

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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #120 on: September 14, 2017, 01:51:43 pm »
When you are smitten you are just smitten!  Can't do a dammed thing about it!

This shows sophomoric thinking @Bigun   I am rather disappointed in you.   **nononono*

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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #121 on: September 14, 2017, 01:53:31 pm »
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Ah .. @Bigun we're not discussing the statistical probability of a Cruz presidency.   88devil



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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #122 on: September 14, 2017, 01:54:53 pm »
Your suspicions are meaningless @Concerned 

But thanks for sharing.

You're very welcome @Right_in_Virginia, and I'll continue to offer my opinions here whether you like them or not, and whether you find them meaningless or not.  And I'll try and offer them respectfully, politely, and without personal attack.  I may not always be successful, but I'll certainly make best efforts to do so.   

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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #123 on: September 14, 2017, 01:55:46 pm »
No, I suspect she, like many Trump supporters, will simply ignore the signature, broken promises rather than acknowledge that they were conned.   22222frying pan JMO.

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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #124 on: September 14, 2017, 01:58:01 pm »
Ah .. @Bigun we're not discussing the statistical probability of a Cruz presidency.   88devil

Why is it that when Trump supporters circle the wagons when he F's up, it almost always reverts to attacks on Cruz? 
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