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I said nothing about child abductions.

Ok Missing people.  800k or so in 2015

Most are runaways or family custodial abductions    Less than 1% on average each year does a person get kidnapped or abducted by a stranger-the horror story cases we read about. In 2002 it was only 120  people total that fit this category.

1980  150,000 missing people,  2015  800,000  missing  but that  does not mean anything.

Why?


 In the last 10-15 years all police departments are required to report all missing cases to a national database.  Very strict reporting requirements.  In 1980 most missing people never made the national database as there was no requirement to do so and most authorities just kept the reporting local..... it is not apples versus apples figures.

In todays reporting, one kid who runs away 3 times per year gets counted as 3 missing.

The fact is today's kids are safer than ever before and murder, violence and rape is heading towards early 1960's levels.





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You don't know the "norm" anymore than I do.  Projecting such conclusions based on anecdotal evidence is fraught with unreliability.   



It is not a conclusion  based on anecdotal evidence,  it is a conclusion based on theory, (all we people had to get here somehow), biology, chemistry,  historical evidence,  and reading discussions/articles on the subject.   

There are chemical interactions between males and females that do not exist between two males.  Bi-lateral Transdermal absorption of complimentary hormones work to make males and females feel at peace after the sex act.    This complimentary chemical transfer between sexes simply doesn't exist in same gender pretend sex. 



I know, or have known, four same sex couples well enough to have an idea of the answer to your question (three male couples and one female couple).   I believe in my heart of hearts that each is/was a monogamous relationship,  and each lasted/has lasted over 20 years.


Did you ask any of the males if they had been monogamous?  (Females are an entirely different class of homosexual, and for very different reasons.)   





May I respectfully request,  if only out of a sense of Christian brotherhood and compassion,  that you cease thinking of homosexuals as "sick" and "dysfunctional" people and instead as your neighbors, family members or colleagues.


I have known plenty of sick and dysfunctional people who were not homosexual,  but they were certainly sick and dysfunctional.   They may deserve compassion,  but pretending they are normal is not helpful to anyone.   Homosexuality is a lot more complicated than most people realize.  Those with some knowledge of it may be aware that there are "Pitchers"  and "Catchers",  but that is as far as most people's knowledge of the subject extends. 


There is a lot more "diversity"  in these group of people than just that simple set of two categories.   There is a wide range of fetishes and sub fetishes that go way beyond just same sex attraction,   and many of the people who are *IN*  that community are very familiar with the different categories. 


To say this collection of fetishes known as "Homosexuality"  is dysfunctional and a form of mental illness seems quite reasonable given how far it extends.  Indeed it used to be universally recognized as such prior to 1973,  and it would have continued being recognized as such but for strong arm intimidation tactics directed at American Psychiatrists by the "gaystapo." 


Rather than continue to face the hordes of angry and potentially dangerous gay protestors who would show up at their meetings,  their offices and call their home phones to threaten them,  these doctors decided to make their own lives easier and remove homosexuality from the list of Psychological disorders.   


As I said,  they may be deserving of compassion,   but I do not comprehend the notion that they do not have some sort of mental illness.   It is like asking me to believe that 4=5.   It seems contrary to reality from my perspective.   
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Yeah, yeah, and some straight people are into anal sex (for reasons I don't understand). That isn't the point.

Most people, if they're honest, respond with strong distaste at the concept of two men having "sex."  I use that term lightly because it isn't sex---it's abuse.  And that's because it's unnatural on its face in a singularly "wrong" way. 

I'm pretty sure there's hardly a straight man out there who doesn't feel that disgust, even if they're too liberal to admit it.  In fact, I'm completely sure of it.  I've spent enough time in political chats where liberals used slang terms for gay as insults.

Really. Hard to imagine anything more beautiful than two attractive women making love. Certainly nothing distasteful about that...and if any man tells you otherwise he's flat out lying.

All this God's law talk is baloney....taking the opinions of biblical authors and adhering them to God is almost always a misreading of the text itself. Paul's thoughts, for example, are Paul's thoughts...likewise for the other Gospel writers. Even Solomon's statements are merely his opinion...which, while there are glimpses of some wisdom, are also steeped in the bigotry and misogyny of his Age. The Old Testament, for the most part, is little more than a collection of mythological events...often wild extrapolations from genuine historical occurrences...expressed through the innate cultural and social bias of the disparate authors of the books in question.

A wise man would follow the "sayings" of Jesus as the closest thing we have to the word of God...though it would also be smart to use scholarly studies like that of the Jesus Seminar to determine what are and are not the GENUINE words of Jesus (and not the additions of later editors and authors). The Old Testament is beautiful icon of ancient culture...not a factual account of events and absolutely not a rational source for God's views on mankind and the world.
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Ok Missing people.  800k or so in 2015
1980  150,000 missing people,  2015  800,000  missing  but that  does not mean anything.

Riiiiight.

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The fact is today's kids are safer than ever before and murder, violence and rape is heading towards early 1960's levels.


I don't know a single parent anywhere that would believe that at all.

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Riiiiight.




I don't know a single parent anywhere that would believe that at all.
Because today's parents are woosie helicopter parents afraid of every little thing that might hurt little Johnie or Susie. Again get off the internet. 50 years ago you never would have heard about  a woman getting raped in India by 5 guys,  today you do 3 hours after it happens.

Facts are facts look it up. Down 40% since 1997 while population is up 30%

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Really. Hard to imagine anything more beautiful than two attractive women making love. Certainly nothing distasteful about that...and if any man tells you otherwise he's flat out lying.

All this God's law talk is baloney....taking the opinions of biblical authors and adhering them to God is almost always a misreading of the text itself. Paul's thoughts, for example, are Paul's thoughts...likewise for the other Gospel writers. Even Solomon's statements are merely his opinion...which, while there are glimpses of some wisdom, are also steeped in the bigotry and misogyny of his Age. The Old Testament, for the most part, is little more than a collection of mythological events...often wild extrapolations from genuine historical occurrences...expressed through the innate cultural and social bias of the disparate authors of the books in question.

A wise man would follow the "sayings" of Jesus as the closest thing we have to the word of God...though it would also be smart to use scholarly studies like that of the Jesus Seminar to determine what are and are not the GENUINE words of Jesus (and not the additions of later editors and authors). The Old Testament is beautiful icon of ancient culture...not a factual account of events and absolutely not a rational source for God's views on mankind and the world.
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  I fail to see how being faithful and true to one's spouse/partner is "flouting God's law"

God did not create men to marry men.  Marriage is HIS institution - not man's.  Male and Female He created them, FOR marriage.  Jesus Himself quotes that scripture and asserts it's validity. 

Jesus answered, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? - Matthew 19:4-5

All you deliberately fail to do is recognize God in favor of your own golden calf that you prefer to worship so you can engage in and justify behavior that earns eternal death.  Perhaps you will then tell us that  we "shall not surely die, but become as God knowing good and evil". 

Remember,  statements in the Bible addressing homosexuality don't represent "God's word"

Your comments certainly do not represent the God of scripture or the testimony of Jesus at all.  Your comments on this subject belong to the god of this world.   You reject  HIS Word in favor of your own image of how you expect God to be.  As I've told you - you worship a god of your own imagination and are hostile to the One Revealed in scripture.

...rather the opinion of individuals speaking within the cultural context of their time.   in ancient times, the survival of the tribe was paramount - everyone was expected to reproduce. 

And the justification from child molesters/child marriage proponents, Beastiality and other perversions all make the same justification and denouncement of scripture as invalid that you do.  In fact, child marriage among Hindus in India provided the same justification that you do, from their myriad fake deities that they claim give men in their 50's the right to marry and have sex with girls under 7.

Moral anarchy exists in much of the rest of the world.  The fruits of that behavior are manifest and the consequences are lifelong misery, suffering and death.  I find it fascinating how many want the same thing here because they have a pet sexual issue they want the freedom to engage in without a seared conscience or knowledge that people look on their behavior with disgust.


Well, one should be obedient to one's spouse, I'd think, or at least be honest, respectful and faithful.

Why?  Because YOU say so?  On what Authority do you assert one has to be faithful?  You have wholesale invalidated scripture altogether - so I want to know by what Authority do you make that claim?  Why does anyone have to be obedient to anyone or anything?  Why can't we just do as we damn well please?  Have sex with whomever we want, whenever we want?  Kill whomever we want whenever we want?  Take whatever we want, from whomever we want?  Biblical morality is a prison by your own words - so since that morality is out the window in your world and the God of scripture cruel, we should be able to do whatever we want without any conflict of conscience or restraint in behavior.   We do not recognize this god of your fantasy - so you have no authority to expect anyone to be obedient or faithful to anyone but themselves.  We should be able to do whatever we please and whatever feels good and whatever satisfies any desire we have if we are simply clever and strong enough to simply take it.  Poop on your fake god.

It's interesting that your twisted and deviant logic on this subject hands those who practice evil and behaviors anathema to God and our foundations the same arguments you make.  They can take those same justifications and declare that they have the right to do those things outside of the fears of a God of Judgment and Vengeance that you would rather pretend is not an attribute or characteristic of God.

That's what I'd like to think, which is why I interpret the Bible differently than you do.   Under your (presumed) interpretation,  God condemns the homosexual without regard to whether he/she is monogamous, faithful and respectful to his/her partner.     His/her sin lies with who he/she is.   That's arbitrary cruelty - the homosexual, created by God, is,  according to your interpretation, condemned to never be able to find true happiness and must instead practice self-denial or face damnation.    I don't believe God is arbitrarily cruel.

What you think or believe is irrelevant AFAIC.  You believe in a fairy tale god that only exists within the confines of your imagination - and has no more power or reality than a wood stick that a Hindu would claim is their house god.

What you believe is irrelevant.

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A wise man would follow the "sayings" of Jesus as the closest thing we have to the word of God...though it would also be smart to use scholarly studies like that of the Jesus Seminar to determine what are and are not the GENUINE words of Jesus

So your consistent advice is to Disregard the Bible - and lean on the intellectual declarations of Liberal Humanists, Agnostics and Socialists that vehemently deny the divinity of Jesus.

My advice to any Christian on this board is to treat any words you opine in regards to scripture as SATANIC POISON and to eschew your thoughts and opinions completely.

Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Well, at least we know where you are coming from. Thank you for your little manifesto, but I'm not buying. Have a nice day, bless your heart. *****rollingeyes*****


As for something more beautiful, ever hold a baby?

Yep. I have three beautiful little girls and held each of them as they arrived in the world...and just about every day thereafter when not off in Iraq or some other far flung place trying to make sure they grow up safe and sound.

As for "where I'm coming from", I've never been anything but up front. The words of Jesus and Buddha are my greatest guides in life...and both light my path to a loving god.
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So your consistent advice is to Disregard the Bible - and lean on the intellectual declarations of Liberal Humanists, Agnostics and Socialists that vehemently deny the divinity of Jesus.

My advice to any Christian on this board is to treat any words you opine in regards to scripture as SATANIC POISON and to eschew your thoughts and opinions completely.

Never disregard. Simply...understand. The Bible is full of wisdom when it is read in context and with an understanding of metaphor. As for divinity, I would never deny the divinity of any human being, as we are all created by and are a part of the Divine being.

As for SATANIC POISON...what gave me away? Was it all my preaching about love and forgiveness, understanding and empathy? Or just that I think God is a loving being who forgives all men for their misdeeds and welcomes them to his/her arms? Yep...just ooozes evil.
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Kind of a major breakthrough, for such a long and repetitive thread. Religion was previously sort of out-of-bound at this site.

Apparently that has changed, in view of all of the FAHR and BRIM stone exhibited herein.

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The words of Jesus and Buddha are my greatest guides in life...and both light my path to a loving god.

There is only one Path to Life, and we figured out you were beholden to other gods than the One revealed some time ago. 
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Kind of a major breakthrough, for such a long and repetitive thread. Religion was previously sort of out-of-bound at this site.

Apparently that has changed, in view of all of the FAHR and BRIM stone exhibited herein.

King James got a Bible named after him, and Charles I got his head removed, over religion.

It's been a civil discussion, t_s.    Do you have a problem with civil discussions on topics you don't like, or are you just dissing this forum once again.

Tiresome.......
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Kind of a major breakthrough, for such a long and repetitive thread. Religion was previously sort of out-of-bound at this site.

Apparently that has changed, in view of all of the FAHR and BRIM stone exhibited herein.

King James got a Bible named after him, and Charles I got his head removed, over religion.

Unfortunately, the religion of secular Hedonism is what will wipe out any semblance of liberty as Constitutionally protected.  So the discussion of religion in the context of this news article is essential.  The Foundations of our entire society, the Declaration and the Constitution are being eroded by alien beliefs asserting their primacy over that which established us.

If you want to ignore it because religion bothers you - we will just end up like Europe at some point in the future.
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There is only one Path to Life, and we figured out you were beholden to other gods than the One revealed some time ago.

First, do you have a mouse in your pocket?

Second, I worship the one and only God....I just understand her a lot better than you do.
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Unfortunately, the religion of secular Hedonism is what will wipe out any semblance of liberty as Constitutionally protected.  So the discussion of religion in the context of this news article is essential.  The Foundations of our entire society, the Declaration and the Constitution are being eroded by alien beliefs asserting their primacy over that which established us.

If you want to ignore it because religion bothers you - we will just end up like Europe at some point in the future.

Watch out, INVAR....the Hedonists are coming to steal your bodily fluids! Yikes!!!!
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Unfortunately, the religion of secular Hedonism is what will wipe out any semblance of liberty as Constitutionally protected.  So the discussion of religion in the context of this news article is essential.  The Foundations of our entire society, the Declaration and the Constitution are being eroded by alien beliefs asserting their primacy over that which established us.

If you want to ignore it because religion bothers you - we will just end up like Europe at some point in the future.

You mean we could end up like those hell holes of Monaco, Switzerland and San Marino. Terrifying!
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we will just end up like Europe at some point in the future.

Yeah.. like Tuesday, maybe...

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If you want to ignore it because religion bothers you -

There are religions, then there are religions. I am not attracted to William Jennings Bryan, Jim Bakker, or Benny Hinn.

I'm undecided who put on better shows--Tammy Faye Bakker (Messner), Jan Crouch or Benny Hinn?

I do hear Hinn is recruiting stagehands, though. Whatever flouts your boat, as they say.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xMKBV3idL4

Could INVAR actually BE Benny Hinn?  So close in their ideologies and ranting diatribes in the fundamentalist vein.  Hhhmmmmmmm.
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It is rather difficult to discuss marriage without religion getting more than a passing mention.

So far, a warning hasn't been needed to keep it to biblical points without denomination bashing. Credit to all who have participated.

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Most people, if they're honest, respond with strong distaste at the concept of two men having "sex."  I use that term lightly because it isn't sex---it's abuse.  And that's because it's unnatural on its face in a singularly "wrong" way. 

I'm pretty sure there's hardly a straight man out there who doesn't feel that disgust, even if they're too liberal to admit it.  In fact, I'm completely sure of it.

Because straight guys are not gay. Gay guys look at other men's bodies like I look at hot women's body and admire it  and you look at a hot guy in tight jeans and admire him.

 Why some people love chocolate ice cream and others  vanilla.

Everyone has their own schtick..what grosses one person out make another quiver. I'm going to get graphic here so close your eyes. Back in my fraternity days this one girl  would show up at our house on occasion when we had  a party and..um  ummmmm you ready for this? Pick out the guys with the cutest butts and toss their salad.. She would do nothing else and nothing done to her.  That is what turned her on, tripped her trigger, how she got her jollies. This  is my point about gay guys and how straight guys think about them having sex.   I'm sure what the girl above  would make you wretch thinking about it (or not) but to her it was the cats meow.


Chemical makeup and hormones are very complex and why too much or too little make people to desire certain things..good or bad to various people.

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Could INVAR actually BE Benny Hinn?  So close in their ideologies and ranting diatribes in the fundamentalist vein.  Hhhmmmmmmm.
You go think that.

Hinn's doctrinal positions and mine are so far removed from commonality that each of us most likely regards the other as heretical.  But unlike you - at least Hinn states he believes in only one path to Life. That is the only commonality he and I share theologically.

You however,  worship a completely different god than Hinn and I do.  And I am not interested in anything you have to opine in regards to God, scripture or religion.
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Unfortunately, the religion of secular Hedonism is what will wipe out any semblance of liberty as Constitutionally protected.  So the discussion of religion in the context of this news article is essential.  The Foundations of our entire society, the Declaration and the Constitution are being eroded by alien beliefs asserting their primacy over that which established us.

If you want to ignore it because religion bothers you - we will just end up like Europe at some point in the future.
Correct! Without a "Creator" we have no one to endow us with unalienable Rights like Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness... The rest falls apart from there.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis