GOP lawmakers in North Carolina introduce bill to restore ban on same-sex marriage

[Cripplecreek]

You are stone dead wrong. I grew up in a life very akin to Mayberry. And it's getting harder and harder to find.

Same here. Counting my sister's grandkids there have been 7 generations of us in one tiny rural Michigan town. We even had an elementary school teacher who had been one of my grandmother's and mother's teachers.

I live in an even smaller town in the same county now.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Because the rest of us are going to hell, or not, based on the faithfulness of our actions.   The attitude of some here is that the homosexual is going to hell merely because of who he or she is.  He/she's an abomination.    Living an honorable, faithful, obedient and honest life apparently makes no difference.   The homosexual has the Dark Mark, unless, I suppose,  he/she lives - uniquely -  a life of self-denial.   Why does God impose such cruelty on the homosexual?   

You made your own case against yourself.

According to God, one does not live an obedient life if one practices homesexuality.

As far as your question, why not address it to God Himself, as how can we understand why?

[musiclady]

You give me too much credit. It was the Spirit that whispered that particular thought to me... At a rather inopportune time... The epiphany which followed was mechanical and automatic - Simple logic. I can make no claim upon it.

I understand that it was at the Spirit's prompting that you made your choice, but you did choose obedience, and for that you deserve credit.  Understanding that all good and perfect gifts come from above, I also understand that it's not always easy to exercise the good and excise the bad.  So good for you, anyway!  ^-^

That explains your emphasis, and accredits your position with inside-knowledge and experience. My BIL is highly sensitive to addictions, and while his ministry comes right out of his own direct experience, his emphasis is likewise laser-centered on that problem. The stories he can tell would curl your hair.

Yes, contrary to the accusation that people who come down on the side of morality and abstinence (of all evil) have our "heads in the sand," the reality is that the more information one has on the debasement and degradation of culture, and the more details one has on how harmful these supposedly 'innocent' pastimes are, the less likely one is to support them.

It is ignorance that allows people to support pornography, homosexual 'marriage' and other forms of culture rot we are suffering through.

I apologize if I seem less concerned - I am not - My focus is on that path that I once walked down, and that is where I stand my guard. Why they are on that path is of less concern to me than that they are on that path... I know where it goes. I'll do everything I can to pluck them off of it.

Au contraire, sir!  You do not seem at all unconcerned, and I salute you for it!

Not at all sister! Preach it!

I think I may just do that! 

[INVAR]

Because the rest of us are going to hell, or not, based on the faithfulness of our actions.   The attitude of some here is that the homosexual is going to hell merely because of who he or she is.  He/she's an abomination.    Living an honorable, faithful, obedient and honest life apparently makes no difference.   The homosexual has the Dark Mark, unless, I suppose,  he/she lives - uniquely -  a life of self-denial.   Why does God impose such cruelty on the homosexual?   

You got it bass ackwards as usual.  Sinners impose cruelty on themselves by choosing sin and wickedness as a lifestyle.  God does not impose it, we impose that misery upon ourselves by our disobedience to His Laws.

Given your wicked mindset, a person should never deny their impulses - even if they are abhorrent.  Doing so is 'denial' and earns the right to curse God for telling us to deny our passions, which is why you hate the God of the bible.

Is it 'cruel' when God says we may not steal and thus cause us to deny our impulses to take what our eyes desire?  Even if it belongs to someone else?

Of course.  Using your logic, anytime we deny an impulse we are 'born with' - God imposes cruelty.  Yet Jesus tells us to crucify the flesh, take up our cross and follow Him daily.  Such is a LIFE of denial of the fleshly desires that run contrary to the Law of God.  Because those carnal desires earn death everlasting.

But let's answer your rhetorical question anyway - Why does God impose 'cruelty' of denial when it comes to homosexuality?

Because HE did not DESIGN marriage and sex for the purposes it has been perverted.  He designed sex between one man and one woman that would become one flesh.  That is why He declares that behavior an abomination and those who practice it will earn eternal death.

[musiclady]

Nonsense. I suggest you look at how many go missing every year nowadays.

You think they covered it up then...

It is the continued deceit of the left that argues that things were no better in the 50's than they are now.

Of course, the main proponents of this tommyrot were not yet born when we, ourselves, lived in a far more innocent era.

We know the truth, and they believe the lies they have been force fed.

I grew up in an innocent small town in northeastern Ohio where one could raise children in purity, and keep them from the vile filth that abounds now.  It is literally impossible to protect children now, as we were protected.

And the left is celebrating that fact, as they lie through their evil teeth about the world we KNOW existed.

[roamer_1]

Because the rest of us are going to hell, or not, based on the faithfulness of our actions.   The attitude of some here is that the homosexual is going to hell merely because of who he or she is. 

And Mussolini made the trains run on time. Good actions do not outweigh or offset bad actions. What matters, ALL that matters is Teshuva. Stop. Turn to YHWH and follow Him. That is what brings peace. All the rest, all of it, is confusion.

Willful iniquity (lawlessness) will not gain heaven.
Wickedness (twisting the Bible to suit your purposes) will not gain heaven.

Better to remain celibate. Or become celibate. Life is not about sex, as much as our society will tell you otherwise.

He/she's an abomination.    Living an honorable, faithful, obedient and honest life apparently makes no difference.   The homosexual has the Dark Mark, unless, I suppose,  he/she lives - uniquely -  a life of self-denial.   

Well 'obedient' doesn't belong in that sentence, at least in reference to YHWH... Anymore than a serial adulterer can be said to be obedient to YHWH. Willful sin is not obedience.

And celibacy is by no means unique. Not that it is necessary. Repentant homosexuals do find mates, and do marry - so one is not without hope.

Why does God impose such cruelty on the homosexual?   

Hey. My entire LIFE was upended in my 40s. I lost EVERYTHING. My body was nothing but screaming pain for years. my business was gone in weeks, my savings gone in a year. And finally, after seven years of pure hell, Just as things were looking up, in the final indignation, my marriage exploded, and my family shattered. Out on my ass, in the snow, in a wheelchair. *everything* gone

Don't tell me about cruelty. Am I blaming God? Nope.
He is who healed me.
He is who kept me through it all.
He is the one who put me in this great little cabin, and who is bringing me new opportunity.

Your blame is misplaced.

[mirraflake]

@musiclady  @roamer_1

You both really need to educate on child abductions. More doom and gloom from you both.   

Child abductions are down 40% since 1997 and most missing children are family custodial abductions or runaways.

A very percentage  is stranger abductions. o.1% is stranger abductions

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-missing-children/2013/05/10/efee398c-b8b4-11e2-aa9e-a02b765ff0ea_story.html?utm_term=.f801314078dc

Another article
 Overall, the number of these reports have fallen by 40 percent since 1997. This is more impressive when you consider that the overall U.S. population has risen by 30 percent over that same time period, meaning that the actual rate of missing person reports for children has fallen faster than 40 percent.

But even these numbers include an awful lot of scenarios that you wouldn't typically worry about when letting your kid walk to the park. For instance, among all missing persons cases (adults and children) in 2014, roughly 96 percent were runaways -- kids or adults deliberately trying to escape a situation at home. In fact, only 0.1 percent of missing persons cases were what we'd think of as a "stereotypical kidnapping" -- where a complete stranger tries to abduct somebody and carry them off by force. These figures comport with a more detailed analysis of child-only abductions carried out by the Justice Department in 2002.


Another article kids had never been safer. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/04/14/theres-never-been-a-safer-time-to-be-a-kid-in-america/?utm_term=.913bc0f8f209

Child sexual abuse cases down by 60% since 1990

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/29/us/rate-of-child-sexual-abuse-on-the-decline.html

[roamer_1]

Same here. Counting my sister's grandkids there have been 7 generations of us in one tiny rural Michigan town. We even had an elementary school teacher who had been one of my grandmother's and mother's teachers.

I live in an even smaller town in the same county now.

I miss it. If my family weren't a concern, I'd be up in Trego, or down in Nirada, or up the Yaak River, where it still is. Even Swan or Seeley Lake... But, the kids need their father, and the grandkids need their Papa. So here I am. 

The Flathead ain't all that bad. Still a pretty small place... But it ain't Mayberry anymore.

[Cripplecreek]

I miss it. If my family weren't a concern, I'd be up in Trego, or down in Nirada, or up the Yaak River, where it still is. Even Swan or Seeley Lake... But, the kids need their father, and the grandkids need their Papa. So here I am. 

The Flathead ain't all that bad. Still a pretty small place... But it ain't Mayberry anymore.

There are 38 houses in my big city. 2 of them are owned by my family since we gave my mom's house to my cousin to keep the house in the family and so he and his family could be in a small town.

[mirraflake]

Divorce rates at record 40 year low per capita.. Marriage rates rising every year since 2009 per capita.

Humpdump Duur gaays are hurting marriage.

http://time.com/4575495/divorce-rate-nearly-40-year-low/

[mirraflake]

Hey. My entire LIFE was upended in my 40s. I lost EVERYTHING. My body was nothing but screaming pain for years. my business was gone in weeks, my savings gone in a year. And finally, after seven years of pure hell, Just as things were looking up, in the final indignation, my marriage exploded, and my family shattered. Out on my ass, in the snow, in a wheelchair. *everything* gone

Oh Lordy lordy...I know who you are now from FR!!!!!!!!!

You are the guy who said 1  old kids who get cancer or other fatal diseases God is punishing  the toddlers for their wicked and sinful ways and people who lost kids/grandkids to cancer or disease at that age roasted you.

@roamer_1
@Jazzhead

[INVAR]

Divorce rates at record 40 year low per capita.. Marriage rates rising every year since 2009 per capita.

Humpdump Duur gaays are hurting marriage.

http://time.com/4575495/divorce-rate-nearly-40-year-low/

Time's data is bogus.


Marriage rates fall to 6.7 per 1,000 people, an historic all-time low. That includes people getting married for the second or third time.

[mirraflake]

Time's data is bogus.


Marriage rates fall to 6.7 per 1,000 people, an historic all-time low. That includes people getting married for the second or third time.

Your article is referring to millenials who are delaying marriage. The overall marriage rate is up per capita

[INVAR]

Your article is referring to millenials who are delaying marriage. The overall marriage rate is up per capita

Marriage rates per-capita overall:



They are not rising.  They are collapsing.

Edited by Mod1 to reduce size of graphic.

[Hoodat]

Oh Lordy lordy...I know who you are now from FR!!!!!!!!!

You are the guy who said 1  old kids who get cancer or other fatal diseases God is punishing  the toddlers for their wicked and sinful ways and people who lost kids/grandkids to cancer or disease at that age roasted you.

God is not a micromanager.  He has set up a rule structure where the iniquities of our fathers can be passed down to following generations.   But He isn't out to punish us.

It is like a parent who tells you not to touch the hot stove or you'll get burnt.  So when you touch the stove and get burnt, it isn't because the parent is punishing you.

[Hoodat]

Because the rest of us are going to hell, or not, based on the faithfulness of our actions.

Do you ever look back to read what you post?

The attitude of some here is that the homosexual is going to hell merely because of who he or she is.

Strawman.

Living an honorable, faithful, obedient and honest life apparently makes no difference.

Obedient to Whom?

Why does God impose such cruelty on the homosexual?   

Have you ever heard the phrase, "God is doing for us what we could not do for ourselves"?  Have you considered that it's the consequences to the choices we make that are cruel and not God?

Read the story of the prodigal son.  Each day, the father looked to the distance hoping to see his son returning home.  The Father is not the one at fault here.  It is the one who decided to step outside the Father's household and do it his own way.

[driftdiver]

@Hoodat @Jazzhead

Obedient?   We're all sinners, every single one of us.   If you flout Gods law and fail to seek repentance you are not being obedient to him.   Who else would you be obedient too?

God doesn't treat homosexuals any different than any other unrepentant sinner.  Homosexuality is not a new thing so its not some sudden change in the rules which calls it a sin.

[roamer_1]

There are 38 houses in my big city. 2 of them are owned by my family since we gave my mom's house to my cousin to keep the house in the family and so he and his family could be in a small town.

That's real nice. I'll bet it's a great place to be. Folks are better to each other when everyone knows everyone.

[roamer_1]

Oh Lordy lordy...I know who you are now from FR!!!!!!!!!

You are the guy who said 1  old kids who get cancer or other fatal diseases God is punishing  the toddlers for their wicked and sinful ways and people who lost kids/grandkids to cancer or disease at that age roasted you.

@mirraflake

I have absolutely no idea what you are going on about. That sure doesn't sound like something I would say.

[mirraflake]

@mirraflake

I have absolutely no idea what you are going on about. That sure doesn't sound like something I would say.

OK My mistake

[roamer_1]

You both really need to educate on child abductions.

I said nothing about child abductions.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

That's real nice. I'll bet it's a great place to be. Folks are better to each other when everyone knows everyone.

I agree, and find it stupid to embrace the diversity crap that we are stronger if we are foreign to each other's language, customs, religion, etc.

[Jazzhead]

@Hoodat @Jazzhead

Obedient?   We're all sinners, every single one of us.

Absolutely.

 

  If you flout Gods law and fail to seek repentance you are not being obedient to him. 

  I fail to see how being faithful and true to one's spouse/partner is "flouting God's law"   Remember,  statements in the Bible addressing homosexuality don't represent "God's word" but rather the opinion of individuals speaking within the cultural context of their time.   in ancient times, the survival of the tribe was paramount - everyone was expected to reproduce.   

 

Who else would you be obedient too?

Well, one should be obedient to one's spouse, I'd think, or at least be honest, respectful and faithful.   

  God doesn't treat homosexuals any different than any other unrepentant sinner.

That's what I'd like to think, which is why I interpret the Bible differently than you do.   Under your (presumed) interpretation,  God condemns the homosexual without regard to whether he/she is monogamous, faithful and respectful to his/her partner.     His/her sin lies with who he/she is.   That's arbitrary cruelty - the homosexual, created by God, is,  according to your interpretation, condemned to never be able to find true happiness and must instead practice self-denial or face damnation.    I don't believe God is arbitrarily cruel.   

[roamer_1]

Remember,  statements in the Bible addressing homosexuality don't represent "God's word" but rather the opinion of individuals speaking within the cultural context of their time.

the books of Moses are not opinion. It is Torah.

[Silver Pines]

No one here is defending that crap. Every gay person I  know hates it. If you think only gays pee in each other's mouths I have some news for you. The weirdest of gay kooks heads to sf and is not representative of the entire gay world.
@DiogenesLamp

@mirraflake

Yeah, yeah, and some straight people are into anal sex (for reasons I don't understand). That isn't the point.

Most people, if they're honest, respond with strong distaste at the concept of two men having "sex."  I use that term lightly because it isn't sex---it's abuse.  And that's because it's unnatural on its face in a singularly "wrong" way. 

I'm pretty sure there's hardly a straight man out there who doesn't feel that disgust, even if they're too liberal to admit it.  In fact, I'm completely sure of it.  I've spent enough time in political chats where liberals used slang terms for gay as insults.