GOP lawmakers in North Carolina introduce bill to restore ban on same-sex marriage

[Silver Pines]

      

@musiclady

No, wait!  This is a rare opportunity to get a combination of the TOS religion forum and its Civil War threads in one!  A twofer!   

[Hoodat]

@Jazzhead

Still waiting.  Show me how California's marriage law violates equal protection.

[Hoodat]

@musiclady

No, wait!  This is a rare opportunity to get a combination of the TOS religion forum and its Civil War threads in one!  A twofer!   

Dang, did I miss the Mormon-bashing already?

[musiclady]

@musiclady

No, wait!  This is a rare opportunity to get a combination of the TOS religion forum and its Civil War threads in one!  A twofer!   

Oy vey! 

[musiclady]

Dang, did I miss the Mormon-bashing already?

Someone can surely bring that up here, and make it an absolutely charming thread!  :dx1:

[Silver Pines]

Dang, did I miss the Mormon-bashing already?

@Hoodat

Should we go for three?

(Just kidding!)

[DiogenesLamp]

This is so idiotic I nearly ignored it.

The issue is consent. An animal cannot consent, nor can a child.

Again with the "consent"  dodge.   Yes,  animals *can*  consent in fact,  though they may not "consent"  in law.   

Again,  Homosexuals couldn't "consent"  either prior to 1973.   Did their acquisition of legal "consent"  in 1973 have any significance other than as a technicality?    They were doing it anyways,  regardless of what the law said. 

So comparisons to these are ludicrous. What is being discussed is partnerships between consenting human adults....it takes a true moron to compare that with bestiality, in which there is only one consenting human. Grow up.

If you take this "consent"  tack  (assuming you are referring to legal consent)  you are hitching your argument to the ever changing winds of the "law"  instead of something immutable,  like natural law.   


In other words,  your argument lives and dies by what is currently "the law",  rather than what is actually true or false. 

Change the law,  and your argument becomes false.   

[DiogenesLamp]

In California, it is now legal for a child to prostitute themselves.

I saw that article some weeks ago.   Basically it was a defacto legalization by a refusal to enforce the law against it. 

[musiclady]

I saw that article some weeks ago.   Basically it was a defacto legalization by a refusal to enforce the law against it.

Do either of you have a link to that?  It was only a matter of time for it to happen, since they broke down the barrier with the normalization of homosexuality, but I was unaware that it had already taken place.

@DiogenesLamp  @Hoodat

[Jazzhead]

One only need to look to the inner cities to see what the destruction of the family has done to most blacks there.

Both Frederick Douglass and Booker T Washington spoke of the destruction of the family being a tool of slavery and subservience.

I completely agree that preservation of the family is absolutely critical, and that government policy should encourage strong and stable families.

And that's why I support gay marriage.  I want to encourage gays to marry and form families,  in part so they will be less likely to be burdens on the state and private charities.   Families care and provide for each other through prosperity and poverty, through health and sickness.   

[Hoodat]

@Jazzhead

Still waiting.  Show me how California's marriage law violates equal protection.

[musiclady]

I completely agree that preservation of the family is absolutely critical, and that government policy should encourage strong and stable families.

And that's why I support gay marriage.  I want to encourage gays to marry and form families,  in part so they will be less likely to be burdens on the state and private charities.   Families care and provide for each other through prosperity and poverty, through health and sickness.

They aren't families.  There is no such thing as "Susie has Two Mothers" actually being a family.  It is two women and a child living together.  They may love each other, but they are not a family, no matter how much the left tries to redefine it.

[roamer_1]

It's already starting:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/03/paedophilia-bringing-dark-desires-light

http://www.nationalreview.com/human-exceptionalism/337010/normalizing-pedophilia


The first warning signal that will go up is when it's removed from the DSM

Yeah... Thee have been several times in the last couple years that the question has been raised to lower the age of consent...

And so is bestiality... Every now and then there's some article about some dumbass wanting to marry an animal... that's how it starts... light-hearted with a bit of an eye-roll... Five years from now we'll be having this same argument with the 'legalize animal marriage critters... Wonder where @Jazzhead @mirraflake  and @Mesaclone will be on it by then?

[Hoodat]

Do either of you have a link to that?  It was only a matter of time for it to happen, since they broke down the barrier with the normalization of homosexuality, but I was unaware that it had already taken place.

@DiogenesLamp  @Hoodat

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/california-democrats-legalize-child-prostitution/article/2610540

SB 1322 bars law enforcement from arresting sex workers who are under the age of 18 for soliciting or engaging in prostitution, or loitering with the intent to do so. So teenage girls (and boys) in California will soon be free to have sex in exchange for money without fear of arrest or prosecution.

This terribly destructive legislation was written and passed by the progressive Democrats who control California's state government with a two-thirds "supermajority." To their credit, they are sincere in their belief that decriminalizing underage prostitution is good public policy that will help victims of sex trafficking. Unfortunately, the reality is that the legalization of underage prostitution suffers from the fatal defect endemic to progressive-left policymaking: it ignores experience, common sense and most of all human nature — especially its darker side.

The greatest flaw of liberalism/socialism is that it denies human nature.

[Cripplecreek]

Do either of you have a link to that?  It was only a matter of time for it to happen, since they broke down the barrier with the normalization of homosexuality, but I was unaware that it had already taken place.

@DiogenesLamp  @Hoodat

Its a fight they've been fighting in California for several years. A few years back they had protests to complain about police harassing minors in the "sex industries". The very same people who scream bloody murder about kids in Africa picking bananas turn right around and promote child prostitution.

[musiclady]

Yeah... Thee have been several times in the last couple years that the question has been raised to lower the age of consent...

And so is bestiality... Every now and then there's some article about some dumbass wanting to marry an animal... that's how it starts... light-hearted with a bit of an eye-roll... Five years from now we'll be having this same argument with the 'legalize animal marriage critters... Wonder where @Jazzhead @mirraflake  and @Mesaclone will be on it by then?

All you have to do is be old enough to have watched what the left did with homosexuality to brainwash the young and gullible (and obviously succeed).

You can see it happening now with both pedophilia and bestiality, but those who are unaware of what has been done in the past in this cultural regression are indignant that it's ridiculous to make the comparison.

And yet, the comparison is there for any and all to observe.  It's happening, in spite of their naïve protests that it never will.

[roamer_1]

Sure it is.. When is adultury and fornication laws brought by people asking politicians on the political trail or town halls?  I have never seen it as laws about homosexuality is.

Show me a Presidential candidate ever asked about anti adultury or anti fornication laws or even discussing the matter.

@roamer_1

@Jazzhead

I have been fighting no fault divorce and promiscuity all my life. I am dead set against adultery and fornication, and have declared so hereon. No doubt I have even admitted that no fault divorce is what started the whole plunge into decadence right in your presence, As I do not assign that to the gays, rightfully.

All that has a 20 year head start on your pet project. I know that media and society accept it as 'normal' even as they are now doing with homos. But don't you think for a minute that adultery wasn't shoved down our throats just the same way as this.

[musiclady]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/california-democrats-legalize-child-prostitution/article/2610540

SB 1322 bars law enforcement from arresting sex workers who are under the age of 18 for soliciting or engaging in prostitution, or loitering with the intent to do so. So teenage girls (and boys) in California will soon be free to have sex in exchange for money without fear of arrest or prosecution.

This terribly destructive legislation was written and passed by the progressive Democrats who control California's state government with a two-thirds "supermajority." To their credit, they are sincere in their belief that decriminalizing underage prostitution is good public policy that will help victims of sex trafficking. Unfortunately, the reality is that the legalization of underage prostitution suffers from the fatal defect endemic to progressive-left policymaking: it ignores experience, common sense and most of all human nature — especially its darker side.

The greatest flaw of liberalism/socialism is that it denies human nature.

Thank you, @Hoodat !

This is so disturbing on so many levels.............. but to me the most disturbing thing is that there are gullible regurgitators of the same leftist propaganda that gave us homosexual "marriage" saying that this will never happen.

They don't understand that what was clearly, obviously wrong and unnatural to everyone is now just peachy keen for a portion of the population, and that the same evildoers who have accomplished that over the past decades are doing the same thing to naturalize pedophilia and bestiality.

It's wrong to keep people from marrying "who they love".....right???  Even if who they "love" is 12 years old.

The left disgusts me.

[Smokin Joe]

Cripple Creek just the other day on this very site said he wanted to marry his platonic woman friend of 50 years just for friendship and economic advantages and wondered why marriage just always had to be about sex and physical love..

btw a friend of mine was paralyzed chest down in a accident 40 years ago and married a woman
I'm sure he is just using his tongue and hands.

@Cripplecreek
@Smokin Joe

And this has what, exactly, to do with homosexual "marriage"? I assume you have a point?

[musiclady]

@Jazzhead

I have been fighting no fault divorce and promiscuity all my life. I am dead set against adultery and fornication, and have declared so hereon. No doubt I have even admitted that no fault divorce is what started the whole plunge into decadence right in your presence, As I do not assign that to the gays, rightfully.

All that has a 20 year head start on your pet project. I know that media and society accept it as 'normal' even as they are now doing with homos. But don't you think for a minute that adultery wasn't shoved down our throats just the same way as this.

mirraflake is clearly clueless as to what has happened in the past, both the left's forcing immorality on us (back to the "free love" movement, which he clearly doesn't remember), and the Christian opposition to it.

It's an imaginary world these anti-Christian leftists live in, and they are oblivious to facts that disprove their imaginary arguments.  And this one thinks his own little circle is the world at large. 

Clueless.   

[Hoodat]

I have been fighting no fault divorce and promiscuity all my life. I am dead set against adultery and fornication, and have declared so hereon. No doubt I have even admitted that no fault divorce is what started the whole plunge into decadence right in your presence, As I do not assign that to the gays, rightfully.

When I left Virginia in 1983, cohabitation was illegal.  Not sure if that is still the case, but it was a good law nonetheless.  Never enforced, but it definitely prevented a mess of civil suits regarding common law situations.

When I moved to Georgia, common law marriage was on the books.  Since then, they have gotten rid of it, along with a whole mess of legal mumbo jumbo.  Good riddance.

btw, the Virginia cohabitation law discriminated against straight couples because gay couples could legally cohabit while straight couples could not.  Yet I never once heard a single liberal complain about that.  Go figure.

[roamer_1]

Your stealing affects more people negativity than two women who have loved each other for 40 years wanting to get married.

I can't speak for her @mirraflake , but it is her LACK of stealing that is affecting people positively... That is how it is with me... Yahweh somehow puts people in front of me that need my testimony... custom fit to turn them in a different direction. On many occasions I have testified to the road I went down, with very positive effects upon a person traveling where I had already been.

That's the beauty of it. My worst sins, found in my testimony, becoming glory to the Father - The agent that brings another one home. 

It isn't where we've been that matters. We're all sinners. Me more than most. It's where we are going that counts.

And you don't get there with your sins intact. What seems like bias to you is deep concern. Not only for the individuals therein, but for the direction of us all as a people. We've all been down that road, or one just like it. It leads to death.
 
@musiclady

[Smokin Joe]

There are hermaphrodites born with both sex organs, babies born fused together and with out half  a head.

If God is keeping track of how may times I beat off he really needs to get a life. Off course he is not so I ma not worried.

@Smokin Joe

It is strange you don't give Him more credit for multitasking ability, and might consider being more humble. As for me, I don't profess to know what He is or isn't doing at any particular moment, so I just try to conduct myself in such a way as not to have anything new to worry about. YMMV.

[Cripplecreek]

They aren't families.  There is no such thing as "Susie has Two Mothers" actually being a family.  It is two women and a child living together.  They may love each other, but they are not a family, no matter how much the left tries to redefine it.

I've never seen a kid raised by gay "parents" who wasn't a mess. Just a couple of weeks back I had lunch with a childhood friend who is gay and he doesn't want his own grandkids at his house because gay men come and go from there. He visits them at their home because he wants to keep them away from the lifestyle.

A few years back my friend told me about his trip to the Rainbow Farm here in Michigan. It was advertised as a family event where gay couples and their families were welcome. What they found was live sex shows in full view of the children who were running all over the place. He was in full agreement with the raid that left the owners dead and the place burned to the ground.

[roamer_1]

Logic never enters into liberal arguments........... especially about morality, since they are entirely based on emotion.

Reminds me of my kid sitting under the deck eating cat poop when he was two.
He just couldn't understand what the big deal was either.