GOP lawmakers in North Carolina introduce bill to restore ban on same-sex marriage

[Smokin Joe]

Are they going to hell too?   

Not mine to judge. But who would get the legal entanglements associated with "marriage" for just hand jobs, when they could DIY and call out any name they want?

Either you are lying, or someone else is.

[Jazzhead]

Using Jazzy's ridiculous argument - that people are 'wired' a certain way and "God doesn't make mistakes' - the argument becomes "I was born a rapist.  I know I am.  God doesn't make mistakes.  It's who I am"

Sexual attraction/orientation is inborn.  God's responsible for that.   Sexual behavior is not.  The responsibility for behavior lies solely with the individual. 

[musiclady]

Why? Aren't folks that are sexually drawn to animal sex 'decent people'?
Aren't they just 'wired that way' sexually, so it's OK?
How are they hurting you, or anyone else (assuming the beast is voluntarily participating)?
What if they're faithful to their partner? Doesn't that make it alright?
Why can't they marry? Who does it hurt?

I think I am detecting a double standard.

Logic never enters into liberal arguments........... especially about morality, since they are entirely based on emotion.

[Hoodat]

@Jazzhead

Still waiting.  Show me how California's marriage law violates equal protection.

[Jazzhead]

Not mine to judge. But who would get the legal entanglements associated with "marriage" for just hand jobs, when they could DIY and call out any name they want?

Either you are lying, or someone else is.

Folks marry (or should) for love, not lust.   For most of us,  sexual activity fades as we age.  But not the love we have for our partners. 

Marriage is a lifetime commitment of mutual support and caring.  Knocking boots is a nice perk,  but I highly doubt that God is as obsessed with sexual mechanics as so many "Bible-believing Christians" are.   

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Sexual attraction/orientation is inborn.  God's responsible for that.   

That is complete 100% debris piled up to the sky.

Can you possibly come up with something else rather than insulting the Creator?

[musiclady]

But somehow the Christian right concentrates on 2% of the population while the vast rest of the population are being adulterous and screwing around at a record pace and not a word, or very little is said.



@musiclady
@Jazzhead

You obviously don't spend any time with Christians.  A LOT is said about all of those things.

It's the left that's made a point to "normalize" sin.   If you're reading more about homosexuality (you clearly are) then that explains your warped view on what is and isn't said among Christians about other sins.

Ask your leftist buddies to quit trumpeting their sins in from of the world, and there won't need to be such a strong response against it. 

Will there?

The pro-active stuff is coming from your side of the argument, not mine.

[mirraflake]

Not mine to judge. But who would get the legal entanglements associated with "marriage" for just hand jobs, when they could DIY and call out any name they want?

Either you are lying, or someone else is.

Cripple Creek just the other day on this very site said he wanted to marry his platonic woman friend of 50 years just for friendship and economic advantages and wondered why marriage just always had to be about sex and physical love..

btw a friend of mine was paralyzed chest down in a accident 40 years ago and married a woman
I'm sure he is just using his tongue and hands.

@Cripplecreek
@Smokin Joe

[Hoodat]

Sexual attraction/orientation is inborn.  God's responsible for that.   Sexual behavior is not.  The responsibility for behavior lies solely with the individual.

But we're not talking about sexual orientation, preference, or behavior here.  We are talking about the right of society to enact laws through their legislature - state or federal - or by statewide referendum within the confines of the Constitution of the United States of America.  And you are on record selectively opposing that right.

Does your selective opposition also apply to polygamy?  For example, if I wanted to take on a second spouse even though it violates federal law, would you declare that law unconstitutional?   Or is this where your double-standard kicks in.

[musiclady]

Sexual attraction/orientation is inborn.  God's responsible for that.   Sexual behavior is not.  The responsibility for behavior lies solely with the individual.

Please give your scientific 'proof' of that spurious argument.  They've tried before, and failed to prove it's inborn.

God created the world in perfection, and the union between one male and one female.  Satan and human sin messed it all up.  God allows sin, but is not "responsible" for our disobedience to His perfect will.

Therefore, it is a choice to engage in homosexual sin, just as it would be my choice to slug my neighbor when I get mad at him.

Neither can be blamed on God................ your valiant efforts notwithstanding.

[INVAR]

Sexual attraction/orientation is inborn.  God's responsible for that.   Sexual behavior is not.  The responsibility for behavior lies solely with the individual.

Who are you kidding?  You do not believe in responsibility for evil and bad behavior at all.  You want it subsidized and accepted using the force of government to impose.

Child molesters, thieves, liars, extortionists, abusers and addicts all love to insist those behaviors are inborn and blame God for it too. 

Your problem is that sin is arbitrary with you and you have on your own authority declared what is and is not sin based on your own perverted reasoning.  That is what wickedness does.

All you spew is the moral authority of men and their reasoning, while discarding the morality and authority of God - making a mockery of Him and His Word.

I highly doubt that God is as obsessed with sexual mechanics as so many "Bible-believing Christians" are.   

You just made my point, demonstrating that you are totally and completely ignorant of the scriptures themselves.   You pay homage to a god of your own imagination and your own arbitrary ideas of morality while preaching a gospel of evil and wickedness dressed in the morality of those practicing it.

No marvel - for you do the same exact thing with Constitutional Conservatism, and spend your time here attempting to redefine it into a Socialist perversion of what it is and what the founders' writings intended. 

[Hoodat]

Marriage is a lifetime commitment of mutual support and caring.

State-sanctioned marriage is not.  There is no legal mandate for commitment, mutual support, or caring.   Please try to stay on topic here.

[mirraflake]

Regardless of whether you have your wires crossed, People are plumbed for a purpose. If you are using the plumbing in a manner inconsistent with the design, all sorts of problems will occur that would not be there otherwise.
Considering that God doesn't make mistakes, and God created that design, maybe someone just isn't following the directions.

There are hermaphrodites born with both sex organs, babies born fused together and with out half  a head.

If God is keeping track of how may times I beat off he really needs to get a life. Off course he is not so I ma not worried.

@Smokin Joe

[musiclady]

Your stealing affects more people negativity than two women who have loved each other for 40 years wanting to get married.

@musiclady

Except that I don't steal because it's a sin.  Having sex with a person of your own gender is clearly a sin.

And ALL sin hurts society.  (Insert here your inane arguments/lies that all men are porn addicts and debase women, and that it doesn't "hurt" anyone).

We are all born in sin because of the Fall.  We all have to fight the temptation to do wrong.

And the leftist influences in our culture that have inculcated your own malleable thought processes don't change what is right and what is wrong.

You're not that powerful, mirraflake.  You don't get to decide.

[INVAR]

If God is keeping track of how may times I beat off he really needs to get a life. Off course he is not so I ma not worried.

I wouldn't bank on that.

"The good man brings good things out of his good store of treasure, and the evil man brings evil things out of his evil store of treasure. But I tell you that men will give an account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken". - Matthew 12:35-36

"We tear down arguments, and every presumption set up against the knowledge of God; and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ." - 2 Corinthians 10:5

If every thought and every idle word we speak is to be held to account and Judged by God - I would think we need to be a bit more circumspect of the things we do that we assume He has no problem with.

[musiclady]

There are hermaphrodites born with both sex organs, babies born fused together and with out half  a head.

If God is keeping track of how may times I beat off he really needs to get a life. Off course he is not so I ma not worried.

@Smokin Joe

And yet, He loves you and knows exactly the number of hairs on your head.

It's sad that in your attempt to dismiss right and wrong, you also dismiss Who created you and how very much you are loved.

[Hoodat]

I wouldn't bank on that.

"The good man brings good things out of his good store of treasure, and the evil man brings evil things out of his evil store of treasure. But I tell you that men will give an account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken". - Matthew 12:35-36

"We tear down arguments, and every presumption set up against the knowledge of God; and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ." - 2 Corinthians 10:5

If every thought and every idle word we speak is to be held to account and Judged by God - I would think we need to be a bit more circumspect of the things we do that we assume He has no problem with.

“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’  But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Matthew 5:27-28

[DiogenesLamp]

You sure seem like to put down other people while upholding a Confederation of States that fought a war over slavery.

Several points here.  First of all,  this is an ad hominem attack on me that does nothing to actually refute my point.  Second of all,  the War was fought over Independence,  not slavery,  and third of all,   I am not upholding the Confederacy,   I'm upholding the natural law right of independence,  which they too possessed,  even if they were bad people by today's standards. 

[DiogenesLamp]

I once knew a pedophile preacher who justified himself in much the same way that you portray.

Pedophilia has yet to obtain the social acceptance that Homosexuality has.  Given time,  White Liberals will eventually get around to de-stigmatizing it,  and thereafter declaring it to be a right. 


They are already working on it,  and have been since at least the 1960s.   


It is the foolish among us who thinks this isn't going to be one of the next tricks they pull out of their hat. 

[Hoodat]

Pedophilia has yet to obtain the social acceptance that Homosexuality has.  Given time,  White Liberals will eventually get around to de-stigmatizing it,  and thereafter declaring it to be a right.

In California, it is now legal for a child to prostitute themselves.

[driftdiver]

There are hermaphrodites born with both sex organs, babies born fused together and with out half  a head.

If God is keeping track of how may times I beat off he really needs to get a life. Off course he is not so I ma not worried.

@Smokin Joe

Luke 12:7 And the very hairs on your head are all numbered. So don't be afraid; you are more valuable to God than a whole flock of sparrows.

Yes there are hermaphrodites and other people with birth defects and genetics abnormalities.   Shall we make policy based on the rare exception or the norm?

[DiogenesLamp]

Minor correction - Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain (written about in "Killer Angels") is very much a real person with a fascinating life.

In that conversation, it is the Irish soldier, Buster who uses the 'peawit' line, and he most likely is fictional...... (don't know for sure).

Do some research on Chamberlain.  He's a fascinating man, an educator and professor of rhetoric at Bowdoin College in Maine who became a courageous and very smart General and key player in the victory of the North at Gettysburg.  He was wounded six times during the War and died of his wounds in his 80's in the 20th century.

At any rate, he's not fictional, and that's not his line, but your other points are valid.   

I used the word "Appears"  because I wasn't quite sure whether he was fictional or not,  but given the text of the conversation quoted in that link I found,   I surmised he was likely fictional.   *Most*  Union officers and soldiers did not give a tinker's damn about blacks or slavery.   


The people who want to justify the war simply spent a lot of time combing through the available examples to find those few who did,  and then quote them so as to make it appear to have been a common attitude.   


Most such examples are "cherry picking"  of the available data. 

[Cripplecreek]

The fact is that "Marriage" is a religious institution and the state has no right to redefine it. This is why liberals don't want civil unions which confer every single right to gay couples that are afforded to married couples. Instead they want to redefine the religion itself to fit their degenerate view of society.

Even without that the issue of gay marriage was not for 5 unelected judges to decide over the will of millions of Americans and the people they elected to represent them.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

[driftdiver]

Gay marriage is but one more step in destroying the family in order to elevate the State.

[musiclady]

I used the word "Appears"  because I wasn't quite sure whether he was fictional or not,  but given the text of the conversation quoted in that link I found,   I surmised he was likely fictional.   *Most*  Union officers and soldiers did not give a tinker's damn about blacks or slavery.   


The people who want to justify the war simply spent a lot of time combing through the available examples to find those few who did,  and then quote them so as to make it appear to have been a common attitude.   


Most such examples are "cherry picking"  of the available data.

I'm not interested in debating the Civil War with you, but I thought it was important to verify that Joshua Chamberlain was very much a real person, very much a brilliant man, very much a successful Union soldier, and very much opposed to slavery.   He's also worth a look, even for a southerner, to perhaps help convince you that everyone on our side of the war wasn't evil.