Trump Declares War on Freedom Caucus in New Tweet: ‘We Must Fight Them’

[Idiot]

We've always known that Trump is not a conservative in the sense that Ted Cruz or Ronald Reagan are/were conservatives.

I still think Trump can get some good things done .... there are good instincts in there somewhere if he can just stay sane enough to act on them.

@Emjay
My dear....   I notice that you've mellowed out over the past few months.  You've either found the key to the liquor cabinet, or have found a better pharmacist.   

[Idaho_Cowboy]

I stand with the President, sir.   




no personal attacks

You'll have to be a good shot to keep up with that moving target. Good luck to ya.

[XenaLee]

I notice you didn't deny the Liberal/DU claim.

I'm not a "sir" I work for a living.

And all you stand for is Populist progressive crap.

I can't do that...I'm not a Liberal like you.

LOLOL!   That reminds me of a dog joke....you know the one!

[XenaLee]

@Emjay
My dear....   I notice that you've mellowed out over the past few months.  You've either found the key to the liquor cabinet, or have found a better pharmacist.   

I think she's just crossing her fingers and hoping (praying) for the best.   Which is all any of us can do at this point.   The world needs folks that constantly look for (and remind us of) that silver lining.   

[Emjay]

Which one?   I'm seeing two different versions being displayed.

Not repealing Obamacare is a deal-breaker to me and to most conservatives.  It was the promise that got them into power.  If Trump and the "moderates" go back on that promise, the deal is off.  Probably for-ever.

Why the pessimism, XenaLee?  There are several plans at work right now and the sentiment of the country is pretty strong.  People keep saying Obamacare will collapse on its on but there will be casualties if we wait for that.

Hillary is still on her broomstick and 'out of the woods;'  Obama is plotting in the mini-white house he's got going there in DC.  Chuck U Schumer is dancing at every Trump misstep.

I just don't feel like joining that dance.  I'll let you know when I do.

[ABX]

Which one?   I'm seeing two different versions being displayed.

Not repealing Obamacare is a deal-breaker to me and to most conservatives.  It was the promise that got them into power.  If Trump and the "moderates" go back on that promise, the deal is off.  Probably for-ever.

Not to mention he promised to 'fully repeal' Obamacare 'on day one'. He wasn't wishy washy. He didn't say he would moderate it. He didn't say he would compromise with a bill that put band-aids on it. For those who doubt, there is video.
http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2017/03/24/fact-check-trump-promise-repeal-replace-obamacare-day-one-video/

Using his own words: He is a liar, he lies. Lyin Don.. (heck, I'm just using the exact same words he used against Cruz (other than 'Don')).

[XenaLee]

Why the pessimism, XenaLee?  There are several plans at work right now and the sentiment of the country is pretty strong.  People keep saying Obamacare will collapse on its on but there will be casualties if we wait for that.

Hillary is still on her broomstick and 'out of the woods;'  Obama is plotting in the mini-white house he's got going there in DC.  Chuck U Schumer is dancing at every Trump misstep.

I just don't feel like joining that dance.  I'll let you know when I do.

That's not pessimism.  I'm pissed.   And when I get pissed...

look out!  As a conservative ....I am FTFU with being blamed for all the ills of this nation brought about by leftists, liberals and squishy "moderates" (RINOs).

And for the record... I just defended you.  So calm down, will ya?   

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Which one?   I'm seeing two different versions being displayed.It was the promise that got them into power.  If Trump and the "moderates" go back on that promise, the deal is off.  Probably for-ever.

Trump and the moderates never promised to just repeal ObamaCare.  They promised to repeal and replace it, which included keeping some of the most popular (though still bad ideas....) parts of Obamacare.

You're trying to hold Trump and the moderates to a promise made by other people, especially the HFC, not by them.  The reality is that different Republicans, including moderates, Trump himself, and the HFC, made different promises regarding healthcare that are contradictory.  Arguing about which side should give ground on their promise is legitimate, but pretending that they all made the same promise is not.

[XenaLee]

Not to mention he promised to 'fully repeal' Obamacare 'on day one'. He wasn't wishy washy. He didn't say he would moderate it. He didn't say he would compromise with a bill that put band-aids on it. For those who doubt, there is video.
http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2017/03/24/fact-check-trump-promise-repeal-replace-obamacare-day-one-video/

Using his own words: He is a liar, he lies. Lyin Don.. (heck, I'm just using the exact same words he used against Cruz (other than 'Don')).

I know.   And again, if Trump was smart, he would backtrack on his support for ObamaCareLite and do a rethink, demand a rewrite, on the whole thing.  That may turn out to be a big "if".   

[Emjay]

@Emjay
My dear....   I notice that you've mellowed out over the past few months.  You've either found the key to the liquor cabinet, or have found a better pharmacist.   

Haha, Mr. Potatohead.  I've always been mellow.  I'm just posting at a different time of day than most people.  I am usually posting before coffee ... it's 7 AM here now.

Look, I've always known Trump's faults.  I tracked every one of them down during the primaries.  I got booted from TOS for making them known over there.

I always say I owe a lot to Trump because I don't have to wake up every morning and realize Hillary is president.  That's worth a heck of a lot to me.

And I think Trump can accomplish great ... or maybe just good ... things if he can ... well, if the Good Trump can keep the Bad Trump in check.

I think he can for most of the day .... but that 3 AM thing.... oh, boy.

[XenaLee]

Trump and the moderates never promised to just repeal ObamaCare.  They promised to repeal and replace it, which included keeping some of the most popular (though still bad ideas....) parts of Obamacare.

You're trying to hold Trump and the moderates to a promise made by other people, especially the HFC, not by them.  The reality is that different Republicans, including moderates, Trump himself, and the HFC, made different promises regarding healthcare that are contradictory.  Arguing about which side should give ground on their promise is legitimate, but pretending that they all made the same promise is not.

Repeal first, replace after repeal.  That is what was promised.  NOT a piss-poor patch and fix job.

Just sayin....

[Silver Pines]

Thanks, hon.   Between my allergies running amuck....and me definitely NOT being a morning person.... I need all the help I can get today.....lololol.

@XenaLee

Oh, girl, you have my sympathy with those allergies.   My husband used to have an awful problem. 

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@AbaraXas

Not to mention he promised to 'fully repeal' Obamacare 'on day one'. He wasn't wishy washy. He didn't say he would moderate it. He didn't say he would compromise with a bill that put band-aids on it. For those who doubt, there is video.
http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2017/03/24/fact-check-trump-promise-repeal-replace-obamacare-day-one-video/

Using his own words: He is a liar, he lies. Lyin Don.. (heck, I'm just using the exact same words he used against Cruz (other than 'Don')).

Trump said a lot of things about health care.  Sometimes, he'd just mention repeal.  Other times, he specifically talked about things he wanted to keep, including coverage of pre-existing conditions.  You can't just take one quote where he talks about repeal and present it without the context of the other things he said he wanted to do.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Health_Care.htm

[Idiot]

Haha, Mr. Potatohead.  I've always been mellow.  I'm just posting at a different time of day than most people.  I am usually posting before coffee ... it's 7 AM here now.

Look, I've always known Trump's faults.  I tracked every one of them down during the primaries.  I got booted from TOS for making them known over there.

I always say I owe a lot to Trump because I don't have to wake up every morning and realize Hillary is president.  That's worth a heck of a lot to me.

And I think Trump can accomplish great ... or maybe just good ... things if he can ... well, if the Good Trump can keep the Bad Trump in check.

I think he can for most of the day .... but that 3 AM thing.... oh, boy.

@Emjay
You are in Hawaii!  You lucky dog!  No wonder you are mellow...lol.

[Polly Ticks]

The AHCA was a mistake, for various reasons, but it's not going to make or break Paul Ryan.  Rather, it's what happens next that makes or breaks him -- or any Republican Speaker, for that matter.  This is the point where Ryan and his majority leadership must find a way to get this fractious group of Republicans to work together.  He'll need to reach out to the FC and they'll need to respond; and he'll need to reach out to the "moderates" and they'll need to respond, and all sides are going to have to get serious about putting together legislation that can move things in the right direction.

He at least appears to be trying:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,256235.0.html

[Idaho_Cowboy]

@XenaLee

Oh, girl, you have my sympathy with those allergies.   My husband used to have an awful problem.

I don't want to derail this thread, but since we've beaten this dead horse several times this week already I'll take my chances.
 
@XenaLee if you haven't already tried it you might look into bromelain. It's an enzyme found in, among other things pineapples. I keep it on hand for the occasional cold and such; and I know folks that swear it works better than any allergy medicine. No side effects. 

[Silver Pines]

Of course,  I say that only after the FC has demonstrated its disloyalty,  not only to Trump but to GOP leadership.

@Jazzhead

The members of the Freedom Caucus do not owe their loyalty to a president or any other politician.  Their loyalty belongs to their constituents, to whom they promised repeal of Obamacare.

Do you really not understand that?

[Applewood]

I stand with the President.

Fine.  You do that.  And as with the rest of his fans, you will fall with him. 

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Repeal first, replace after repeal.  That is what was promised.  NOT a piss-poor patch and fix job.

Just sayin....

The moderates promised to preserve some elements of ObamaCare.  If they vote for a repeal but there is no replacement that includes those things, they'd be breaking their promises.

I don't agree with the moderates on the policy -- I want a full repeal and a bunch of market reforms without preserving the things the moderates like.  I want to end things like the requirement that mental health be covered, all the "essential health coverage" items, the Medicaid expansion, etc..  People should be permitted to buy bare-bones catastrophics and pair them with HSA's, etc..

I'm just saying we have to recognize politically that the moderates themselves made promises that are not consistent with what the HFC wants.   If the HFC is saying "we only want a repeal, and not this other stuff", then they're bluntly telling the moderates that they're not going to get their replacement bill with the desired goodies after the repeal.  So, the moderates aren't going along with a repeal that does not include a replacement.

Now maybe that means that nothing gets done because neither side is willing to move off the promises they made.  I just think that is a result that would put the country, and the cause of conservatism -- in a much worse position. 

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee

Oh, girl, you have my sympathy with those allergies.   My husband used to have an awful problem.

Spring is my favorite season...and I look forward to it all winter for the love of gardening.  But damn....with all that crap/pollen flying around, I wake up with my head feeling like a water balloon and with constant sneezing.  To compound things, I am against taking meds, so other than a couple of Bayer aspirins on occasion, I don't take anything for it.  Have these hedges (ligustrum) in the front of the house that produce these cloyingly sweet, nauseating flowers every spring.  I am HIGHLY allergic to these.  I have tried to butcher the damned things but they keep growing back! 

[bolobaby]

...Of course,  I say that only after the FC has demonstrated its disloyalty,  not only to Trump but to GOP leadership...

Don't worry. Trump, the GOP leadership, and you have demonstrated disloyalty to, you know, actual conservatism and conservative voters.

Thank God for the Freedom Caucus.

[XenaLee]

The moderates promised to preserve some elements of ObamaCare.  If they vote for a repeal but there is no replacement that includes those things, they'd be breaking their promises.

I don't agree with the moderates on the policy -- I want a full repeal and a bunch of market reforms without preserving the things the moderates like.  I want to end things like the requirement that mental health be covered, all the "essential health coverage" items, the Medicaid expansion, etc..  People should be permitted to buy bare-bones catastrophics and pair them with HSA's, etc..

I'm just saying we have to recognize politically that the moderates themselves made promises that are not consistent with what the HFC wants.  I mean, look.  If the HFC is saying "we only want a repeal, and not this other stuff", then they're bluntly telling the moderates that they're not going to get their replacement bill after the repeal.  So, the moderates aren't going along with that.

Now maybe that means that nothing gets done because neither side is willing to move off the promises they made.  I just think that is a result that would put the country, and the cause of conservatism -- in a much worse position.

Ok, but you're not getting what I am saying here.  It wasn't the moderates that voters overwhelmingly voted for in the last election.  So whatever 'they' promised their constituents is moot.  It was those that promised repeal first (replacement after).  Now that they have the power, are they, once again, going to shaft the same voters that put them there (like they did after the 2014 election)?  Looks like.

[Emjay]

I don't want to derail this thread, but since we've beaten this dead horse several times this week already I'll take my chances.
 
@XenaLee if you haven't already tried it you might look into bromelain. It's an enzyme found in, among other things pineapples. I keep it on hand for the occasional cold and such; and I know folks that swear it works better than any allergy medicine. No side effects.

Tropical clime but everything is worse here.  The fleas are almost impossible to kill.  They laugh at Frontline.  They almost killed my daughter's Golden Retriever because he twisted his neck trying to get at them.  But now there is a vicious strain of flu going around.  My daughter came down with it last Friday and is still barely able to get out of bed.  I'm really worried about her. 

She took fabulous care of me after my accident and I'm not able to help her at all.  It hurts.  I live in an Oahana behind the house of my daughter and son-in-law.  They totally help me with everything I need help with.

[XenaLee]

I don't want to derail this thread, but since we've beaten this dead horse several times this week already I'll take my chances.
 
@XenaLee if you haven't already tried it you might look into bromelain. It's an enzyme found in, among other things pineapples. I keep it on hand for the occasional cold and such; and I know folks that swear it works better than any allergy medicine. No side effects.

I'll definitely look into it.  Thanks!  (and yes, sorry for the temporary derail)

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@Jazzhead

The members of the Freedom Caucus do not owe their loyalty to a president or any other politician.  Their loyalty belongs to their constituents, to whom they promised repeal of Obamacare.

You're correct.  And the moderates own their loyalty to their constituents, not to the constituents of the HFC members.  And those moderates promised their constituents that they'd  preserve some elements of Obamacare.  As did Trump, incidentally.

It's frustrating that people keep arguing this topic as if every single Republican made a promise to get rid of every last shred of ObamaCare, and not preserve any elements of it.  That is simply false.  There were conflicting promises made by different GOP candidates that are not consistent with promises made by other GOP candidates.  That is why we are at this point today.

It's one thing to argue about policy.  But when we can't even agree on the reality of who made which promises, it's pretty hopeless.