Trump Declares War on Freedom Caucus in New Tweet: ‘We Must Fight Them’

[Just_Victor]

You'll have to be a good shot to keep up with that moving target. Good luck to ya.

That's why I and most conservatives stand with our principles.  Much more stable ground than those shifting sands of what Trump believes.

[Mom MD]

Don't worry. Trump, the GOP leadership, and you have demonstrated disloyalty to, you know, actual conservatism and conservative voters.

Thank God for the Freedom Caucus.
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No kidding.  The thread at TOS on this is fun to watch. Half are opening their eyes and the other half are twisting into pretzels trying to defend their orange god on this one.  I actually sent a post through asking when I would get an apology and lift of the soft zot now that some are realizing Trump isn't all they thought.  My comment is "submitted for review" so I doubt will get through. Though that won't keep me from popping some popcorn and enjoying the melt down....

[XenaLee]

Tropical clime but everything is worse here.  The fleas are almost impossible to kill.  They laugh at Frontline.  They almost killed my daughter's Golden Retriever because he twisted his neck trying to get at them.  But now there is a vicious strain of flu going around.  My daughter came down with it last Friday and is still barely able to get out of bed.  I'm really worried about her. 

She took fabulous care of me after my accident and I'm not able to help her at all.  It hurts.  I live in an Oahana behind the house of my daughter and son-in-law.  They totally help me with everything I need help with.

You are truly blessed to have your daughter and help that close. 

As for that flu, these days... you can't assume that it is the flu any more.... since many illnesses start out with flu-like symptoms.  If she doesn't get better after a few days, she should get to a doctor.  An aside, I use Revolution for my pets. 

https://www.revolution.com.au/Fleas-and-parasites.aspx

It seems to work fine and I only apply it every other month in the summer instead of every month.  Works great.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@XenaLee

Ok, but you're not getting what I am saying here.  It wasn't the moderates that voters overwhelmingly voted for in the last election.

  Wait a minute -- exactly who do you think voters voted "overwhelmingly" for in the last election?  It was clearly not the House Freedom Caucus, because there are only 30 or so members of it.  In fact, it would be more accurate to say that voters voted overwhelming not to put the House Freedom Caucus in charge.

So whatever 'they' promised their constituents is moot.

Doesn't each member of Congress owe an obligation to fulfill the promises they made to the people who elected them?  Because if you're saying that the promises elected members of Congress made are "moot" because of how the majority voted, then all those HFC members should have abandoned all the promises they made to their constituents after Obama got elected.  I'll quote someone with whom you seem in general agreement:

@CatherineofAragon

The members of the Freedom Caucus do not owe their loyalty to a president or any other politician.  Their loyalty belongs to their constituents, to whom they promised repeal of Obamacare.
Do you really not understand that?

I agree with @CatherineofAragon on that.

But under your logic of promises being made "moot" by an election, the HFC should abandon the promises they made prior to this election, and go with whatever Trump wants because he is the guy who got elected.  And if you go back and look at Trump's statements on health care during the election, I don't think a lot of conservatives would be happy about it.  As a matter of fact, Trump's statements about health care in particular were probably the single thing for which conservatives criticized him the most during the campaign.

[Jazzhead]

Fine.  You do that.  And as with the rest of his fans, you will fall with him.

You must not know me very well.  Before the election, I was one of Trump's fiercest critics.  I didn't vote for him.

But I am standing with him now on the merits.   The FC deep-sixed a good bill that would have moved the ACA to a place where it was consistent with many important conservative objectives.  The FC's insistence - and disloyalty in doing so - on the perfect has led to the demise of the good.

All that's bad about the ACA is back with a vengeance.   The Dems and the FC have, together,  made that possible.   My contempt is for both, in equal measure.   

[Smokin Joe]

Well this pisses me off!

Mr President attack the Dems they are your true enemies.

I'm not happy, but it isn't entirely unexpected.
I noticed he didn't mention fighting the Democrats.

(I bet he'd be conflicted fighting people he helped finance, anyway. That wouldn't be WINNING!)

[massadvj]

LOL!   The SOCONS are NOT his entire base, @NavyCanDo

In fact, it's already been proven that NTs are insignificant as a voting bloc.  (See election results)

We all want Obamacare to die...but they've planted a political minefield in structuring the 'Frankenstein', and the goal is get thru it without mortal wounds for the Party.

Are we all Republicans?   No.    But, we all want the government out of our bedrooms and our healthcare.

Then why did Paul Ryan and the rest of the party in both houses vote no less than half a dozen times to simply repeal Obamacare, but refused to do so when it was apparent such a bill would become law?  And did not Trump campaign on repeal?  So why not just repeal the damned thing and deal with "replacement" incrementally?

It seems to me that Trump and Ryan are the ones being disingenuous, not the FC.

[Smokin Joe]

So did I.  And early on, I was happy with some of his early  decisons.  Seems the left turn the orange detractors here said would not happen, is in essence happening.

Bottom line?  His declaration of war on the FC is a declaration of war on us.

Yep.

[geronl]

Those pesky conservatives who take campaign promises seriously must be stopped.... lol

The RINO-Dem Coalition hasn't changed a bit

[Smokin Joe]

@DCPatriot

I could have done just that until recently, when I sent Robinson an email and told him exactly what he and his website have become.  I told him to remove me from that septic tank and to make sure my name wasn't on any of the lists of zotted and dead people he keeps to make it look like he has more members.

I still can post there. But what's the point? All that is happening so far is what was predicted amid the shout-downs, stupid graphics, and other crap.

[Smokin Joe]

What's far worse than those who are now realizing they were wrong, are those who rapidly change their values simply because the orange one goes a certain direction.

There are many who are in the 'well Trump knows best' crowd who will believe him and follow him no matter how left he goes. I see almost daily, especially with the healthcare mess, people who strongly opposed Obamacare and government interventionism, now saying that maybe a government program (aka TRyanCare) is probably a good idea and making excuse after excuse for why we should have it- all because of Trump.

They are basing and changing their values based on a man, not on the actual foundation of their values.

From day one, this has been a war on Conservatives and Libertarians - anyone who believes in the decentralization of power out of DC.  You have noticed all during the primary, the strongest attacks went against those with the most Conservative values, while the kid gloves were saved for the moderates and populists.

From day one, it has been an attack on principles, on having certain basic and intractable beliefs fundamental to the American way of life, and seminal to the founding of these United States.
To shed those principles is to fundamentally transform America (where have we heard that phrase), from the Republic to something less, from the bastion of Liberty and leader of the free world to something less, to lose that which gives us the unique identity we have had in world history.
There are those who seem to think these principles can be compromised and retain the spirit of America, but that simply is not so.

[r9etb]

I'm not happy, but it isn't entirely unexpected.
I noticed he didn't mention fighting the Democrats.

Not true. His tweet: "The Freedom Caucus will hurt the entire Republican agenda if they don’t get on the team, & fast. We must fight them, & Dems, in 2018!

[bolobaby]

Not true. His tweet: "The Freedom Caucus will hurt the entire Republican agenda if they don’t get on the team, & fast. We must fight them, & Dems, in 2018!

Nice that he lumps principled conservatives in with Pelosi and Schumer.

[Emjay]

You are truly blessed to have your daughter and help that close. 

As for that flu, these days... you can't assume that it is the flu any more.... since many illnesses start out with flu-like symptoms.  If she doesn't get better after a few days, she should get to a doctor.  An aside, I use Revolution for my pets. 

https://www.revolution.com.au/Fleas-and-parasites.aspx

It seems to work fine and I only apply it every other month in the summer instead of every month.  Works great.

Yeah, we found something that is especially formulated for Maui fleas (ha).  It's supposed to last 3 months but I was upset to see a lot of flea trash on Smitty yesterday.  I didn't want to tell my daughter but I just walked to the mailbox and saw that her car is gone.  I guess she tried to go to work. 

I realize that I am blessed ... I came here because of them and I'm not sorry.  I often think of the Shropshire Lad.... well, not often, but sometimes.

When first my way to fair I took,
Few pence in purse had I,
And long I used to stand and look
At things I could not buy.

Now things have altered
If I care
To buy a thing, I can,
The pence are here and there's the fair
But where's the lost young man.

[Applewood]

You must not know me very well.  Before the election, I was one of Trump's fiercest critics.  I didn't vote for him.

But I am standing with him now on the merits.   The FC deep-sixed a good bill that would have moved the ACA to a place where it was consistent with many important conservative objectives.  The FC's insistence - and disloyalty in doing so - on the perfect has led to the demise of the good.

All that's bad about the ACA is back with a vengeance.   The Dems and the FC have, together,  made that possible.   My contempt is for both, in equal measure.

Merits?  What merits?  That he promised to repeal Obamacare?  That bill doesn't bing to repeal Obamacare.  It doesn't even fix it or attempt to fix it.  About all Trumpcare does is put lipstick on a pig.  I don't care what spin Trump's try to use, this bill was cosmetic -- to make it look like Trump and his allies were doing something to fulfill their promises to the people. The bill doesn't even come close to fulfilling those promises.

I firmly believe this bill was slapped together in a hurry to impress Trump's avid fans.  Had Trump and House leadership taken their time, included conservatives in the preparation, and put together a bill that might have been a good start on fulfilling their promises to the people, the FC might have okayed the bill as a first step toward repeal.  Instead Trump and his allies took the "my way or the highway" approach, threatened and tried to browbeat reluctant congressmen into voting for this nonsense.  That is not the way to do things.  Of course, the Caucus gave Trump the finger and told him what he could do with his bill and his threats. Wouldn't you?  I sure would.

And as for the bad parts of Obamacare coming back  -- they never left. The blame doesn't lie with the Freedom Caucus or principled conservatives.  No matter how he might try to shift the blame to others, it lies with Trump.  And should he follow through on his intent to negotiate with the Democrats on this issue, you can be sure that Obamacare will never be repealed or even fixed in any meaningful way.  Trump will then earn the reputation of being a liar and fraud.

[Jazzhead]

Nice that he lumps principled conservatives in with Pelosi and Schumer.

The reasons for opposition to the AHCA may have been different, but the result is the same - ObamaCare lives.

[r9etb]

Nice that he lumps principled conservatives in with Pelosi and Schumer.

I image that, to Trump, everybody he considers an enemy looks alike.

When you think about it, it's really an irrational mindset.  All he's really doing is pruning away potential support on one side, and adding it to the ranks of his implacable opponents. 

Whatever his inside thoughts, Trump cannot afford to reduce his potential political base.  As Ben Shapiro pointed out, by shunning the FC he no longer has a GOP governing majority in the House. 

This sort of thing is why rank political amateurs do not belong in big-league politics.

[Smokin Joe]

The "T" word is now being thrown out.

Who handed Geraldo a microphone?

Last time I saw him on the air, he was drawing the tactical plan in the sand for the flanking maneuvers (on camera) that the unit he was embedded with was going to use to clean out the hajis firing on them at their front. He wasn't embedded any more by nightfall, and all the newsies pretty much got their press briefings after that, in the rear.

[XenaLee]

I'm not happy, but it isn't entirely unexpected.
I noticed he didn't mention fighting the Democrats.

(I bet he'd be conflicted fighting people he helped finance, anyway. That wouldn't be WINNING!)

Yeah... and that would be... you know....

hypocritical.   Can't have that. 

[XenaLee]

Who handed Geraldo a microphone?

Last time I saw him on the air, he was drawing the tactical plan in the sand for the flanking maneuvers (on camera) that the unit he was embedded with was going to use to clean out the hajis firing on them at their front. He wasn't embedded any more by nightfall, and all the newsies pretty much got their press briefings after that, in the rear.

I remember that!  A few things Geraldo is noted for.... that and the Capone "vault" debacle.  Can't stand the Geraldo!

[XenaLee]

Yeah, we found something that is especially formulated for Maui fleas (ha).  It's supposed to last 3 months but I was upset to see a lot of flea trash on Smitty yesterday.  I didn't want to tell my daughter but I just walked to the mailbox and saw that her car is gone.  I guess she tried to go to work. 

I realize that I am blessed ... I came here because of them and I'm not sorry.  I often think of the Shropshire Lad.... well, not often, but sometimes.

When first my way to fair I took,
Few pence in purse had I,
And long I used to stand and look
At things I could not buy.

Now things have altered
If I care
To buy a thing, I can,
The pence are here and there's the fair
But where's the lost young man.

So true to life, that poem.  Sadly true.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

I image that, to Trump, everybody he considers an enemy looks alike.

When you think about it, it's really an irrational mindset.  All he's really doing is pruning away potential support on one side, and adding it to the ranks of his implacable opponents. 

Whatever his inside thoughts, Trump cannot afford to reduce his potential political base.  As Ben Shapiro pointed out, by shunning the FC he no longer has a GOP governing majority in the House. 

This sort of thing is why rank political amateurs do not belong in big-league politics.

Amen to that. He opened an unneeded second front in this war. 

[DCPatriot]

The voters didn't vote for more gridlock.   They voted for change.   The FC is standing in the way of that change, and Trump is telling them that their obstructive behavior is unacceptable.   

We control the entire government,  and we're at war with ourselves.  It's unacceptable.   The FC must be isolated, and a new coalition emerge to deliver the results that the people demand.     

Amen!   

[Smokin Joe]

As I pointed out many times, a long time ago, "The Art of the Deal" isn't some grand work. It skirts the lines of unethical behavior and its tactics are more akin to used car salesmen and MLM pushers. We had it in example in B-School during business ethics classes of staying on that razor thin line of legal ethical behavior.

Sounds a lot like Robert J Ringer's Winning Through Intimidation. Same used car salesman crap with a serious markup.

[txradioguy]

Amen!   

Imagine that.