Author Topic: "It Was A Pretty Disturbing Briefing”: Why State Governors Suddenly Got Cold Feet About Obamacare Repeal  (Read 5566 times)

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On the other hand, Obamacare premiums for those paying into the program have soared in the past two years, sucking up a substantial portion of US household disposable income, and leading to widespread displeasure among the US middle-class with the existing format of the healthcare law.

As a result, significant differences remain between GOP officials in the House, the Senate, and the states—most acutely, over the Medicaid insurance program for the poor and disabled, which is administered by the states and jointly funded by the federal and state governments. A summary of the various proposed plans was laid out last week by Goldman.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-26/it-was-pretty-disturbing-briefing%E2%80%9D-why-state-governors-suddenly-got-cold-cold-about-

Lets have a serious discussion here.  Looks like the governors and Congress are a major obstacle to repealing ObamaCare.

Remember, a few years of taxes were collected, cynically, before the benefits were paid out.

Now the whole edifice is clearly not sustainable.  Lets kill line 61 of 1040 for starters.....
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President Trump hasn’t weighed in publicly in the current fight. Members of the administration have been working to smooth the way for changing former President Barack Obama’s health-care law. Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price attended the governors’ meeting Saturday afternoon. At issue is whether to maintain significant federal funding for states that have expanded eligibility for Medicaid to include residents with income that is up to a third more than the federal poverty level. GOP-led states split almost evenly in opting to take the funds to expand eligibility for their programs. States that didn’t have cited a concern about the impact on the federal budget and a desire to resist Mr. Obama’s health law.

Republican governors in states that expanded Medicaid have been telling their congressional delegations for months that repealing the health-care law without an adequate replacement would cost their budgets and hurt hospitals. While many say they support repealing Obamacare, they’ve advised a heavy dose of caution. Republican leaders in Washington are considering ending the Medicaid expansion, as well as setting per-person caps on federal funding of the program. “Governors know about 50 times more about Medicaid than anyone in Congress,” said Haley Barbour, the former Republican governor of Mississippi. “The idea that we’re going to repeal, repair, replace, redundant, whatever -- the idea that we’re going to do that in a matter of weeks just ignores the difficulty of doing it,” Barbour said.
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and Trump may be an obstacle too

HR 3762 and House GOP Feb 16 look like the best options to me.  Which option do you like?

Anything that does not ditch the taxes and penalties seems weak to me.

No sure the Collins bill would get rid of the taxes, maybe for conservative states.
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Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley, also a Republican, said he was open to finding a way to help states that expanded the program. But he said it couldn’t be one that came at the expense of states such as his that didn’t do an expansion. “There were 18 governors that fought the ACA and we actually need to be rewarded for that, not punished,” he said. “I have not seen that plan yet.”
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Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley, also a Republican, said he was open to finding a way to help states that expanded the program. But he said it couldn’t be one that came at the expense of states such as his that didn’t do an expansion. “There were 18 governors that fought the ACA and we actually need to be rewarded for that, not punished,” he said. “I have not seen that plan yet.”

To me, this is a key crux of the matter.  The Repub governors that DID the medicaid expansion, like Kasich, are in a bad place now.
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The article even has the pointpoint that the governors looked at during the meeting.


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The key take aways... 

Obama Care is clearly going down.  The unnecessary, mandated services clearly need to go...


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and Trump may be an obstacle too

The last chance to remove it came and went in the days before Ted Cruz called Mitch McConnell a liar.

McConnell told senators to say what they had to say to appease the folks but it ain't happening.

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Pretty confusing. Why can't we ask the "poor and disadvantaged" to fund expanded Medicare, which is their insurance, with some token portion of their salaries and/or welfare benefits?

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Democratic governors are reaching out to Republican colleagues in states that expanded Medicaid and “now have a very sick feeling in their stomachs,” Malloy, who’s chairman of the Democratic Governors Association, told reporters Saturday at an earlier press conference. “I know that there is tremendous pressure on them, but we have to stand tall and make sure our fellow Americans have the coverage that they need.’’
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Pretty confusing. Why can't we ask the "poor and disadvantaged" to fund expanded Medicare, which is their insurance, with some token portion of their salaries and/or welfare benefits?

It is an interesting point.  And yes it is confusing.  Doing block grants to the States would allow the states to implement what you are saying.
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The last chance to remove it came and went in the days before Ted Cruz called Mitch McConnell a liar.

McConnell told senators to say what they had to say to appease the folks but it ain't happening.

And the "fix" for Obamacare is going to be worse than what we have now I'm afraid.
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And the "fix" for Obamacare is going to be worse than what we have now I'm afraid.

I forgot why Ted even called Mitch a liar.  There are four options above.  Which one do you think is best?

The 33 republican governors are big factor.
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Malloy, who’s chairman of the Democratic Governors Association, told reporters Saturday at an earlier press conference. “I know that there is tremendous pressure on them, but we have to stand tall and make sure our fellow Americans have the coverage that they need.’’

And #*&% all of those Americans who cant afford coverage anymore due to this damn act.

When will anyone ask *ssholes like Mr Malloy why they don't care about the rest of us?

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As I've said before, socialists are like Islamic State in that they destroy what came before so that you can't simply undo what they've done. If the ACA is to be undone then that will probably have to be done in stages over time.

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And the "fix" for Obamacare is going to be worse than what we have now I'm afraid.

Yup, its joined social security in perpetuity. The only way it is going away now is if there is a complete and total economic collapse.

I don't mean a depression. I mean a Zimbabwe trillion dollar loaf of bread collapse.

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And #*&% all of those Americans who cant afford coverage anymore due to this damn act.

When will anyone ask *ssholes like Mr Malloy why they don't care about the rest of us?


It is jerks like Malloy who are the true enemy.
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As I've said before, socialists are like Islamic State in that they destroy what came before so that you can't simply undo what they've done. If the ACA is to be undone then that will probably have to be done in stages over time.

Wait I thought you guys touted he was going to get rid of it in one fell swoop?

Doesn't matter anyway ...single payer is what is going to replace the ACA
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As I've said before, socialists are like Islamic State in that they destroy what came before so that you can't simply undo what they've done. If the ACA is to be undone then that will probably have to be done in stages over time.

There was one Reagan era entitlement that got repealed .   Dan R , I think got serious blowback at the time.
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Just do what you said you would do and repeal the GD thing entirely then fix what needs fixing afterward!
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Just do what you said you would do and repeal the GD thing entirely then fix what needs fixing afterward!

^^^^ This!!!
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Just do what you said you would do and repeal the GD thing entirely then fix what needs fixing afterward!

Yes. It will be bitter medicine for the bureaucracy to take, having to walk back one of their vote-buying scams for the first time, but once its done the spell of everlasting entitlement program will be broken.

Then the sky is the limit.

Wouldn't it be nice.
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