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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #75 on: January 07, 2017, 07:23:48 pm »
There're two considerations here - one, the left is using this incident to try to delegitimize the elections. This is bullish*t. The DNC and Clinton campaign were slaphappy about cybersecurity, as they are blasé about national security, and they got burned. Tough beans.

The other is our attitude towards foreign espionage, which should be something like zero tolerance. Threatening punishment of countries attempting it makes us look inept and silly because as others have pointed out we do much the same. Our focus should be on preventing future incidents.

Our only response should be a resolve to make our systems impregnable.

Skeeter, I agree, except that the two "systems" that were "hacked" were both private, not governmental systems, and one could argue that the responsibility for the allowing them to be hacked was the responsibility of the DNC and Panetta Podesta.  Which they clearly did not take seriously.
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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #76 on: January 07, 2017, 07:34:01 pm »
And us accepting anyone doing it to us makes us even worse than Obama.

I don't think Russian interference or attempted interference is anything new.  What is new is the reporting of it and making it known to the American public.
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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #77 on: January 07, 2017, 07:46:44 pm »
Skeeter, I agree, except that the two "systems" that were "hacked" were both private, not governmental systems, and one could argue that the responsibility for the allowing them to be hacked was the responsibility of the DNC and Panetta Podesta.  Which they clearly did not take seriously.

Great observation Sanguine, the systems which were compromised here really weren't "our" systems.

Your point also throws into sharp relief Obama's failure to take action when FedGov systems *were* hacked (21 million records from OPM by China for example).  Only when the Democrat Party was attacked did Obama do anything.
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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #78 on: January 07, 2017, 07:52:08 pm »
You really need to read it yourself.

There was hacking of election infrastructure but it doesn't appear that any votes were affected HOWEVER it was a multifaceted attack involving heavy propaganda by way of youtube,  fake pro trump news stories originating in eastern Europe,, trolls and trollbots all over social media as well as using wikileaks and anonymous. They conclude that it was the largest and most intense sustained attack of this type ever run against the USA.

Funny thing is that wikileaks suddenly found that they don't like leaks after handing out classified info like candy for a few years now and then they turned around and threatened to expose verified users on twitter who tend to be celebrities, politicians and journalists.




Frankly people who think they can just laugh off a Russian attempt to undermine our constitution and electoral system are traitors in my book.

I saw that, too.

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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #79 on: January 07, 2017, 08:12:40 pm »
Hmmm... if this is true, what does reposting it make you?   :pondering:

Someone who points at idiots and says, "Look at the idiot!"

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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #80 on: January 07, 2017, 08:16:17 pm »
USA has been known to assassinate national leaders of foreign countries for many decades.
All this hypocrisy is sickening.   
Unfortunately we now have a president who openly praises such crimes, which is how he came to be the beneficiary of such nefarious activity.
IT'S WRONG WRONG WRONG

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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #81 on: January 07, 2017, 08:23:23 pm »
Great observation Sanguine, the systems which were compromised here really weren't "our" systems.

Your point also throws into sharp relief Obama's failure to take action when FedGov systems *were* hacked (21 million records from OPM by China for example).  Only when the Democrat Party was attacked did Obama do anything.

And, only when the designated successor failed.

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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #82 on: January 07, 2017, 08:23:44 pm »
WTF?

I can't think of any foreign leaders we've assassinated.

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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #83 on: January 08, 2017, 12:24:08 am »
Latin America come to your mind?????

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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #84 on: January 08, 2017, 12:28:05 am »
I can't think of any foreign leaders we've assassinated.

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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #85 on: January 08, 2017, 01:32:13 pm »


Wrong again. We didn't assassinate him.
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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #86 on: January 08, 2017, 02:31:39 pm »
Anyone doubt that Obie wanted Mubarak dead?

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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #87 on: January 08, 2017, 03:45:57 pm »
Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
By Katie Bo Williams - 01/06/17 03:59 PM EST

Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered a widespread influence campaign intended to help elect Donald Trump, the intelligence community said in a declassified report released Friday afternoon.

“Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary [Hillary] Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump,” the report reads.

“We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him.”

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http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/313108-declassified-report-putin-ordered-election-interference-to-help

One of the most biased headlines and text body I have ever read.

WHO is so mentally defective they actually think Russia likes Trump and wanted to help him? Russia is a freaking independent nation,not a neighbor or co-worker. When Russia does something like this it is SOLELY because they think it will help Russia,PERIOD.

I will break this down a bit further for those of you who were Hillary/JEB/LadyLindsey/etc,etc,etc supporters and/or former special education students. Russia trying to manipulate as American election to reach an outcome favorable to Russia may or may NOT be  harmful to America.  Dumbing it down even further for the Bush and Clinton supporters, it is possible for something to be good for BOTH Russia AND America at the same time. Not to mention the rest of the planet.

The Stardust Twins,Lady Lindsey Graham and John McLunatic,were on Meet the Press this morning,and panties/Depends were all in a wad over this. It seemed obvious to ME both would have preferred a Clinton win so business would continue as usual instead of having a scary outside in place,and Lady Lindsey let slip the biggest thing he is worried about is Russia and the US joining forces in a war on Islam. He and McLunatic get big bucks from the defense industry from keeping wars going,NOT ending wars. They were both borderline hysterical. Lady Lindsey was even screaming for permanent US military bases in Ukraine.

On the other hand,there was a reporter on the show from Chicago named Rick Santelli carpet-bombed the leftists and their accomplices in the media with the FACT that EVERY nation tries to influence EVERY OTHER NATION in order to obtain a more favorable position for themselves,and than in fact WE had been doing the same thing with Russian elections. Their heads were exploding in outrage. This was "DIFFERENT because the purpose was to keep Hillary Clinton from being elected and thereby destroy democracy,and even our intelligence professionals are outraged over what Russia was doing!"

Santelli or SOMEONE was a microphone needs to remind people that Russia has not only been doing this in the US since the 1920's,but that at least a third of FDR's cabinet were Soviet Agents,and his wife was a freaking communist. WHERE was the outrage when the Soviets were funding,encouraging,and even organizing marchers for MLK Jr? What about the pro-Soviet advisers of Robert Kennedy,or the Soviet agents in the US Congress and the US Senate,some with enormous power and access to military intelligence like Bill Clinton's political Rabbi,Senator William Fulbright. Or Bubba Bill going on tour in the USSR at a time when regular American's couldn't even get a visa to go there as a tourist,and visiting the North Korean and the North Vietnamese embassies while there? What about the media not only refusing to print anything about JFK's failure of courage during the Cuban crisis,but the FACT that he did NOT even manage to get nukes removed from Cuba like they all reported? It is a historical FACT that the very same Soviet nuclear missile subs that cruised off the US coast docked at a Soviet Submarine base in Cuba to rearm,get repairs,fresh food,etc,etc,etc. In case it has escaped anyone's attention,nuclear missile submarines have nuclear missiles on them.

Someone with a microphone also needs to mention that ALL of the "intelligence professionals" who are now screaming about Hillary losing because the Russians like Trump  are ALL Dim appointees who are life-long career left-wing Dims APPOINTEES. Their careers are based on supporting Dims. Where are the non-political career intelligence employees and why aren't THEY screaming about this in outrage? I can tell you why,they aren't saying anything because this is a manufactured crisis to try to harm Trump BEFORE he takes office in order to help protect the Dims.
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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #88 on: January 08, 2017, 03:47:21 pm »
The same can be said of the NYT's and the MSM against Trump..

BINGO! They hate Trump because he's not a Dim,and they hate Russia because Russia had the gall to overthrow communism.
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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #89 on: January 08, 2017, 03:51:22 pm »
I suggest that you point out to me in that 25 page (15 of which are cover sheets and BS) where there is a direct connection between the hacking and the Soviets. I can't find it. As a matter of fact the thing is full of hedges about not being able to fully discuss the particulars. I also can't find any mention of them going through the DNC servers. One would think that would be paramount to coming up with exactly what happened there.

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Rich Santelli pointed out that very thing on Meet the Press this morning. He asked all the other talking heads there "Where was the outrage over alleged Russian hacking of the Clinton email accounts? You didn't see it because if  you had complained back then it would have led to her emails being made public,and possibly lead to criminal charges against her." NOT a "direct quote",but it gives you a sense of what he said.
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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #90 on: January 08, 2017, 03:53:52 pm »
Its the kind of crap they played in Ukraine with Trump pal Paul Manafort representing pro Putin pols.

@Cripplecreek

I guess this lines you up with Lady Lindsey Graham,who was on MTP demanding permanent US bases in Ukraine this morning?

Am I the only one wondering what his/her cut of the construction contracts is going to be?

What would YOUR reaction be to Russia building military bases in Canada?
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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #91 on: January 08, 2017, 04:00:26 pm »
Trump is not a free-market capitalist.  He believes in using eminent domain for private gain and in tariffs, and he has (unconstitutionally) threatened companies with selective tariffs since he was elected.  Those are not free-market approaches.

The report states that the Russians believed Hillary would win.  Their goal was to weaken her administration by publicizing embarrassing information.

The Democrats and mainstream media are clearly using this to build their "narrative" that Trump's election is illegitimate.  One can recognize and condemn that without dragging the US Intel community into the same morass of vainglorious accusations and insults Trump drags everyone else into when they don't serve his agenda.

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Nobody has dragged nor can they drag the US Intel community into this because all the professionals have taken oaths to not reveal anything about anything. The "intelligence professionals" that are whining about it are political appointees and hacks,NOT career intelligence agents.
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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #92 on: January 08, 2017, 04:02:01 pm »
I'm just shaking my head at what "conservatives" have become.

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No,you're not. You have no idea what being a conservative in America even means.
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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #93 on: January 08, 2017, 04:07:49 pm »
Thank you for the info. Any attempt to undermine our Constitution and electoral process should be a concern to all of us.  What I find surprising and leaves me with numerous questions is evidently their agenda was against Hillary.  Clinton stated that Putin had a vendetta against her because of her comments regarding Russia's elections and the protests that followed. I personally find that a little petty and Clinton has been known to lie ... so what's the real reason?? What about all the Clinton e-mails?? IMHO I think it is likely that this isn't the first time, only the first time that it has been given attention.

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What all of it was really based on is the unholy alliance between the DNC and semi-human turds like McLunatic and Lady Lindsey Graham that want a state of perpetual war to exist because they personally profit from kickbacks from the defense industry. Lady Lindsey and McLunatic were on Meet the Press this morning talking about a need to establish permanent US military bases in Ukraine,as well as complaining about a possible joint American-Russian effort to defeat Islam militarily.

You don't  have to think about that one for many minutes to start smelling something bad.

I ask everyone that thinks all that is a good idea what THEIR reaction would be to Russian military bases in Canada.
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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #94 on: January 08, 2017, 04:11:14 pm »
These vaunted "intelligence agencies" gave a pass to the Ft. Lauderdale shooter.

Earlier they bungled the Bay of Pigs, failed to forecast the fall of the USSR, failed to deter the 9-11-2001 attacks, etc.

So failures and mistakes are their norm.

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The problem with all the listed events is that it was NOT "intelligence agencies" that were responsible for any of that. The problem was due to the political appointees given the jobs of running the intelligence agencies by left-wing whack job presidents,which is every president before and after Reagan. FDR had Soviet agents in his cabinet,and his own cousin-wife was a communist.
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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #95 on: January 08, 2017, 04:13:58 pm »
Please explain what they were supposed to do.  Is it a federal offense to be schizophrenic? To watch videos?

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No,but it will be within 6 months unless radical changes in the growth of feral power are made.

"Weeze watch-in yew,boy!" might even become a official motto of the Dept of Homeland Insecurity.
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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #96 on: January 08, 2017, 04:16:12 pm »
@beandog

Shrugging your shoulders and not giving a crap that a hostile foreign power actively interfered in a national election is not "growing up."

@CatherineofAragon

Yeah,it is. This and similar things have been going on ever since people organized into tribes,and will still be going on the day the universe ends.

The mature thing to do is lose the false outrage and come up with counter programs.
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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #97 on: January 08, 2017, 04:36:51 pm »
He didn't. Do yourself a favor and read it yourself.

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Why the "report" is pure political spin with zero evidence to link the Russians to the DNC or the John Podesta leaked emails.

This conduced story is about as credible as the BS story that Benghazi was a reaction to an obscure internet video. 

Did Russians also write those emails? The only thing we know for sure is that the DNC rigged the D primaries in favor of Hillary. And that the DNC was responsible for the false flag violence at some of Trumps rallies.

When you have some hard evidence that it was really the Russians doing the above please get back to me. Oh and just who was it that hacked Chancellor Merkel and other cell phones? And just who is it that engages in regime chance all over the world?  Afghanistan, Iraq, Kosovo, Egypt, Syria, Libya, Yeman, and now apparently even here. Make no mistake this is an attempt to take down the President Elect of the USA.

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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #98 on: January 08, 2017, 04:43:35 pm »
@CatherineofAragon

Yeah,it is. This and similar things have been going on ever since people organized into tribes,and will still be going on the day the universe ends.

The mature thing to do is lose the false outrage and come up with counter programs.


@sneakypete

Yeah, it's not exactly a new thing, but the shrugging it off as no big deal is just that. 

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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #99 on: January 08, 2017, 04:44:10 pm »
Intentional low info voters who willfully choose ignorance are a dream come true for out of control government."

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Anyone who actually reads the report realizes that this is a long way from over and how Trump deals with it will probably determine his future.


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Trump minimizing the report is not a good sign.

No,it's a GOOD sign. He's not jumping through his ass about it before he is in a position to start doing something about it. Once he is in office and is in a position to do something about it,chances are he will only make public a small part of what was done in order to protect assets and resources. We will be able to tell something was done by what happens 90 days or so after he is sworn in.



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It was an act of war and requires a very strong response.

Drama queen much? Is it really possible you have zero knowledge of world history?

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Even Obama has been forced to show a little spine and send troops to Baltic nations. Trump would be well advised to double or triple those troops in response to the act of war Russia has committed against America.

Is that you,Lady "Chicken Hawk" Lindsey?
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