Hillary Clinton blew the most winnable election in modern American history.

[Frank Cannon]

@Frank Cannon

Well,sane people with the ability to think,anyhow. The traditional Dim Plantation voter will ALWAYS vote Dim.

They may always vote Rat, but they may not always vote which is what happened this election. She couldn't get her people to the polls because they didn't like her.

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

@sneakypete

And now you've devolved to simply lying about me and what I've posted.  I have never said anything about how you're lucky this isn't TOS or you would have been banned already - I do not and never have supported banning (unlike Trumpists). 

That's interesting, because I remember it happening.  SP went off on you about your signature and you guys went back and forth and back and forth on a thread that had nothing to do with the EC/etc.  And I'm pretty sure "lucky", "TOS" and "banned" are all actually direct quotes.

[Machiavelli]

@Weird Tolkienish Figure  @Oceander

Nope. Oceander told me something along the line of "too bad this isn't FR or you would already be banned" earlier this morning when I busted in her/him/whatever whining about Bubbette! winning the popular vote and asked if she/he/sheit thinks America is a democracy or not. Never did get a straight out "yes" or "no" answer on that one.

@sneakypete @Oceander @Weird Tolkienish Figure

I can find no such post by Oceander.

[Sanguine]

@geronl

Yup. I think I even detected a hint of that in the article. The title alone is a strong hint,even if they didn't want to come right out and say it.

...

I agree, but I think it was more than a hint.

[Sanguine]

@alicewonders

LOL! It does seem like some of the mental midgets that got banned from FR brought FR over here with them,doesn't it? Most specifically,the Clique Concept from High School.

You still posting over there, @sneakypete?

[sneakypete]

I'll agree with this. My trump wishes:


1) enough with the economic populism
2) be more disciplined. No more gaffes. Stop saying stupid things on twitter
3) get rid of the alt-right. Get rid of crazies like Flynn's idiot son
4) my biggest worry: don't turn the federal government into a kleptocracy. I don't want to have to continuously defend this garbage for the next 4 years.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

I am in agreement with all of the above but number 2,and have only recently came to the conclusion that what I had thought was an incredibly stupid thing to do was actually a major stroke of genius. He uses twitter to get his message out to the public without having to filter it through any of the news media. This allows his message to go out without any "spin" being applied to it,and people get to read the undiluted message.

Most importantly,I have no doubt those messages are targeted to a specific audience,letting them know that if they try to stab him in the back on any issue they want to "manage" he will go public and name names on who was being obstructionist.

He's sending the message that politics are no longer "kiss,kiss,we will make it up to you next time if you don't hurt me this time" business as usual. He is NOT a career politician,so he feels no obligation to play the game by traditional career political rules.

Sometimes letting your opponents think you are a little bit nuts is the best negotiating strategy.

AND.....,he is doing it all in such a way that Joe and Joan Sixpack that don't normally read political opinions in newspapers or political news stories hear about it. EVERYBODY can go on twitter and read it for themselves without any filters,any editing,or anyone else to tell them what they should think about it. By doing this,he is going directly to the public for support.

I suspect there are other advantages also,but since I don't twitter and this whole thing is new to me,it's all still a little murky and in the background.

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

That's interesting, because I remember it happening.  SP went off on you about your signature and you guys went back and forth and back and forth on a thread that had nothing to do with the EC/etc.  And I'm pretty sure "lucky", "TOS" and "banned" are all actually direct quotes.

Okay, correction.

It wasn't Oceander, the word "lucky" wasn't used, and it was FR not TOS.

The thread was about natural gas.

[Lando Lincoln]

@Lando Lincoln

Very true,but what I am seeing more than anything else is the "anti-Trump at all costs,even if it means electing Hillary!" crowd still foaming at the mouth and getting wood from accusing Trump of "breaking the faith " by "doing this!" or "NOT doing THAT!".

Seems like SOME of these people  would realize he hasn't even been sworn in yet,and has no more authority to "Do THIS!" or "NOT do THAT!" than you and I have.

How about we let him get sworn in first and then give him 60 to 90 days to settle in and establish a pattern,and THEN go after him for the things he as ACTUALLY DONE WRONG?

BTW,Lando,NOT saying you are one of these people. Your post just seemed to be a good one to partially quote and add these comments to.

All good Pete.  Add comments as you see fit!

[Oceander]

That's interesting, because I remember it happening.  SP went off on you about your signature and you guys went back and forth and back and forth on a thread that had nothing to do with the EC/etc.  And I'm pretty sure "lucky", "TOS" and "banned" are all actually direct quotes.

If you have it, post a link to it.

The only people here who are lucky this place isn't TOS are people like me because if it were I would have been banned a long time ago; that's what Trumpists do.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

FWIW,I tend to THINK that Cruz HAS to dance right up to the Globalist Line in order to remain a mainstream alleged Republican candidate with any influence. I THINK that if he were free to express his own opinions he would be much more conservative than he appears to be.

There's probably some truth to this @sneakypete   He did gain his political stripes working with the Bush folks, so he may see globalism as his political lifeline.  Hopefully, he'll cut this line.

Which is kind of why Trump won the primary. IMO,he was in the running for the ego boost and had nothing to lose,so he didn't HAVE to suck up to anybody. Then he actually won the damn thing and suddenly had to start taking it seriously.

Hmmm... I'm having a hard time buying this.  First, I think his motivation to run really was his distress at seeing where the country he loves was heading.  He turned his personal world inside out to do this--all the others had a run for the Presidency on their Bucket List.  The one thing Trump doesn't do is play to lose or play just to play, so from the start I believe he was in it to win it.  I think the reaction from the people gave him confidence that he could win ... and the rest, as they say, is history.  ^-^

I am HOPING that a lot of what we see as Trump sucking up the GOP establishment now is merely him "playing" them until after he has his cabinet picked and is sworn in. IF this is what he is doing,it is,IMHO, a VERY smart move because it gives him time to organize and actually be sworn in before he has to start putting out fires in his backfield. By then he will be in a position to punish those who try to harm him and reward those who want to work with him,and it will be too late to sabotage his cabinet and his agenda.I may well be 180 degrees off,but I hope I'm not,and it doesn't cost anything to hope. Especially since there is nothing else we can do at this point.

I think he is trying to mend fences ... but he is a realist and the Preibus Chief of Staff appointment points to Trump knowing he's going to get pushback from some members of his own party.  Preibus was very helpful putting out fires and clearing marbles on the floor during the campaign.  I'm hoping he will serve as well in this area as part of  the administration.

I also think the thank you tour serves two purposes.  First, I think this is a sincere thank you tour ... Trump wasn't shy about asking for votes during his rallies and the people came through--especially in the "battleground states".  Last night, for example, the weather was so bad his plane had to land about 2 hours by car from the rally site in NC.  He apologized for being late (over two hours) and explained that many wanted him to reschedule the event.  Trump simply told them to get a car and they drove the two hours to the rally.  He said he didn't want to disappoint all those waiting. 

Additionally, this tour -- along with other events during the transition --- give him strong momentum moving into the job of POTUS.  Trump will have the wind at his back --- and Congress critters will notice, including Democrats from districts that voted for Trump.   I think he starts his Presidency hitting the ground running.

So, in a nutshell, there's ample reason to be hopeful come January 20.   

[Frank Cannon]

If you have it, post a link to it.

The only people here who are lucky this place isn't TOS are people like me because if it were I would have been banned a long time ago; that's what Trumpists do.

There is actually tangible evidence of that. Just look at the carnage at FR this election cycle. The place is now an echo chamber for stupidity.

[sneakypete]

...  Usually, the "mandate" issue is important because a President faces at least one house of Congress controlled by the other party, and so uses the "mandate" argument to pressure potential swing votes in Congress. But that's not the case here because the GOP controls both houses.  He won, and now has to work with the GOP Congress.  Whether we call his victory great or small makes no difference."

Good point!

"In terms of the pure politics of it, I do think it's noteworthy that he won while being so heavily outspent, and by largely bypassing the media filter to get his message out.  It's certainly interesting for political scientists."

While most of us seemed to have ignored this aspect of his victory,it is becoming more obvious every day the media is obsessed with it. EVERY DAY we see and hear media reports about "false reporting/false news stories",as they make a major effort to regain what little credibility they had prior to this election. They ALL dropped the ball on their predictions and it made them not only look like fools,but like the Dim cheerleaders they are. People that are casual about politics are suddenly opening their eyes to the FACT that the media sometimes tell us what THEY want us to hear,which may not be the same thing as the truth.

Can any of you EVER remember hearing the media whining about false news stories before Trump won the election? I sure can't. Oh,ABC,CBS,etc,etc,etc would report on things like NBC's bogus "exploding GM gas tank" stories having been proved to have been false,or CNN's "Operation Tailwind" being totally bogus,but it would be a One Day Event and never heard of again. Even then,a VERY mild approach was taken to the reporting because they all knew that THEY could be the ones under the microscope next if they were unlucky. I will never believe that the reporters from the competitors didn't know from Day One that NBC and CNN were telling lies,but kept quiet about it because of "professional courtesy" until it was made public by some other source and they could no longer deny it.

I personally think there may also be an element of professional  jealousy involved. If someone is going to make false news reports,they think it should be THEM. After all,that is the sole reason many of them were created and why they exist today.

[musiclady]

@musiclady

Are you POSITIVE it is "them"?

Yes.

Absolutely.

[Oceander]

Okay, correction.

It wasn't Oceander, the word "lucky" wasn't used, and it was FR not TOS.

The thread was about natural gas.

Ahhh.......

[HonestJohn]

See this is a perfect example of what rankles Trump supporters. People with (forgive me) big mouths make horribly harsh statements and lump all Trump supporters (even reluctant ones like most conservatives) into categories then deny that they insulted anyone when they have actually insulted EVERYONE (who disagrees with them about Trump).

I mean, what the above poster has done is to essentially say that it is her opinion that effectively all Trump supporters are loathsome, stupid, grossly-irresponsible lowlifes, then in the same breath denies that she has insulted anyone. 

"You cannot be for Me and against Me." - Some Immortal Guy (describing the impossibility of both being for morality and against it in some sort of weird "quantum state").

I doubt the principle in my post will respond directly because she stated awhile back (when I had the insane gall to suggest that she was not behaving like a lady at all) that she was putting me on ignore. That may insulate her personally from reading what I believe to be the truth about her and others similar to her, but it does not prevent me from presenting my opinion for others to consider.

I would have bygones be bygones and proceed into the future as friends with everyone on this forum and/or who self-identify as a conservative. But that desire is tempered by the reality that it takes two to make peace and only one to make war.

How did the post by @musiclady apply to anyone but alicewonders?

This sounds more like someone subconsciously taking a post to another and applying it to themselves.  That tends to happen when the reader thinks that the post is actually applicable to oneself.

[geronl]

@geronl

I'm hoping this massive loss by Bubbette! is enough to keep Bubbette! Jr out of office. I have no doubt her family money and her husband's family money can buy her a congressional seat somewhere,but I am hoping that after this the 'murikan publick voters that vote Dim will even be sick of hearing the Clinton name on a national ticket.

I would hope so, but it's not possible to underestimate people any more.

[Sanguine]

I would hope so, but it's not possible to over- underestimate people any more.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The thing that bugs me about that soliloquy from Alice is she doesn't seem to appreciate if her guy wins, we all win.  Win-win is the goal, not she wins, everybody else loses.

Actually, @Cyber Liberty, I think @alicewonders absolutely appreciates Trump's win is a win for all--the entire nation.

I think she's simply saying it's time for those who did not support Trump's candidacy to let go of old battles, stop the knee-jerk reactions to everything Trump--including to those who did support his candidacy--and come onboard the Trump Train. 

Trump's victory is a win-win for all--and we'll get more accomplished for the good of this nation pooling our energies rather than wasting this resource on battles now over.

[Oceander]

There's probably some truth to this @sneakypete   He did gain his political stripes working with the Bush folks, so he may see globalism as his political lifeline.  Hopefully, he'll cut this line.

Hmmm... I'm having a hard time buying this.  First, I think his motivation to run really was his distress at seeing where the country he loves was heading.  He turned his personal world inside out to do this--all the others had a run for the Presidency on their Bucket List.  The one thing Trump doesn't do is play to lose or play just to play, so from the start I believe he was in it to win it.  I think the reaction from the people gave him confidence that he could win ... and the rest, as they say, is history.  ^-^

I think he is trying to mend fences ... but he is a realist and the Preibus Chief of Staff appointment points to Trump knowing he's going to get pushback from some members of his own party.  Preibus was very helpful putting out fires and clearing marbles on the floor during the campaign.  I'm hoping he will serve as well in this area as part of  the administration.

I also think the thank you tour serves two purposes.  First, I think this is a sincere thank you tour ... Trump wasn't shy about asking for votes during his rallies and the people came through--especially in the "battleground states".  Last night, for example, the weather was so bad his plane had to land about 2 hours by car from the rally site in NC.  He apologized for being late (over two hours) and explained that many wanted him to reschedule the event.  Trump simply told them to get a car and they drove the two hours to the rally.  He said he didn't want to disappoint all those waiting. 

Additionally, this tour -- along with other events during the transition --- give him strong momentum moving into the job of POTUS.  Trump will have the wind at his back --- and Congress critters will notice, including Democrats from districts that voted for Trump.   I think he starts his Presidency hitting the ground running.

So, in a nutshell, there's ample reason to be hopeful come January 20.   

/snicker

There is hope only to the extent that he (a) repudiates the toxic socialist economic populism and anti-immigrant xenophobia he espoused during the campaign, (b) drops the crony capitalism he's currently espousing, and (c) starts to espouse policies that are at least in the same universe that Reaganite republicans inhabit.  In short, to the extent that he repudiates you and the other Trumpists (whether you realize it or not).

So far, he's doing (a) but not (b) or (c), so there isn't much real hope that things will really change Jan. 20th.  Especially now that we know he consults routinely with Obama, is cozying up to Al Gore on climate matters and Rahm Emanuel on God knows what. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Yes.

Absolutely.

Hmmm.. maybe some deeper self-reflection would be helpful here @musiclady   

[Sanguine]

Actually, @Cyber Liberty, I think @alicewonders absolutely appreciates Trump's win is a win for all--the entire nation.

I think she's simply saying it's time for those who did not support Trump's candidacy to let go of old battles, stop the knee-jerk reactions to everything Trump--including to those who did support his candidacy--and come onboard the Trump Train. 

Trump's victory is a win-win for all--and we'll get more accomplished for the good of this nation pooling our energies rather than wasting this resource on battles now over.

Oh, good.   It's good to know that in your opinion there are no losers here. 

[HonestJohn]

Not wanting to fight with you or anyone else here musiclady, but I have bolded some of your remarks above.  The ones where you deny targeting me with your inappropriate insults about Trump supporters making Trump "their god".  Anyone can read them for themselves and arrive at their own conclusions as to whether you were referring to me or not.  I will repost your earlier quote in full: 

As anyone can see - your remarks here on this thread absolutely are referring to me and @flowers , a person would have to be willfully blind not to see that.  And yet, in your last post here - you are attempting to deny that.  ???

Lastly, I am NOT in hiding.  I don't post here very often anymore because this is largely an anti-Trump site and I am very much pro-Trump.  This is not a very enjoyable site for me anymore - it used to be my internet home, a place I posted in every day and where I made many friends and enjoyed a nice camaraderie.  Now....not so much.  I'm not into being insulted if I can avoid it.

And don't worry about me - dear person who was once a friend of mine, but decided to abandon our friendship because of my political support for someone you don't like - I'm living the life I choose, a happy, content and peaceful life!  I have so much thankfulness in my heart because I know that America will not be controlled by evil social engineers much longer.  I won't waste my days defending my beliefs to people that claim to know what is in my heart and who I worship.  Life is too short to spend time doing such things. 

Not in hiding in the least!  Enjoying days of serenity and astonishment at the glory of God - and that's God with a capital "G".  Deny it if you want, it's all here in black and white for everyone to see and draw their own conclusions.

Last point, you said, "If I had a nickel for every time a Trump lover called me "sanctimonious," "judgmental," "arrogant," or the like, I'd be the richest woman on earth." - have you ever stopped to wonder why that is so?  Why so many people have said those things about you?  Maybe the next time you are on your knees, humbling yourself before God (the same God I worship), you might honestly and sincerely ask why people keep saying these things to you.  I hope you ask this with a sincere heart - I know that if you do, you will come to a moment of self-enlightenment.

None of us are perfect by any means - believe me, I've had to have that same conversation with God, hopefully we all have.  It is how we grow as Christians. 

Shalom.

Do you even know how to convince others of the benefits of Trump?

You take his positions and argue how they will actually be beneficial!  That's how.

Why haven't you tried that?  (And no, you don't get to claim you did, as anyone can see any poster's entire posting history... and you don't have that under your posting belt.)

Well?

[Sanguine]

Do you even know how to convince others of the benefits of Trump?

You take his positions and argue how they will actually be beneficial!  That's how.

Why haven't you tried that?  (And no, you don't get to claim you did, as anyone can see any poster's entire posting history... and you don't have that under your posting belt.)

Well?

 :thumbsup3: :thumbsup3:

[Right_in_Virginia]

/snicker

Relax, @Oceander   I do not expect you to give Trump a fair shake or get onboard the Trump Train and join the MAGA mission.

Maybe I'll just starting adding "I know you disagree @Oceander " to each of my posts and save you the time you take to respond.   

[sneakypete]

You still posting over there, @sneakypete?

No. I quit and told Jim Rob/Jim Bob to remove me as a member when they were all cheerleading for Boy Jorge's invasion of Iraq. I had been saying I was banned by him for my anti-Boy Jorge and anti-Iraq War posts and for telling  him his head was a quart low,but somebody reminded me that I had resigned. It was only after I resigned that he banned me from posting or receiving FR Mails.

A natural mistake on my part because he had banned me a couple of times before.

I still have trouble believing so many people over there supported that insane war.