Convention of States; Trench Warfare is Coming

[libertybele]

Trench warfare is coming.

Normally, I don't post a solicitation (e-mail) and I don't know if this is against forum rules; but a couple of our forum members have been questioning a Convention of States. I agree; now is the time to act.  If we wait, it will be too late!

I understand that in the wake of Mr. Trump’s astounding victory, it can be tempting to coast through the holiday season and “unplug” from the fight for liberty -- at least for a while.

But please understand -- giving in to that temptation would be disasterous for our movement.

If we wait only a few weeks -- even if we just wait until Donald Trump takes the Oath of Office, it will be too late.

Right this moment, the Washington establishment is preparing for all-out trench warfare.

These Washington elites are digging in and preparing to do everything in their power to resist the will of the American people.

The turnover of the House in 2010 meant nothing to them. Nor did the turnover of the Senate in 2014, or the turnover of the White House just a few weeks ago.

These entrenched elitists will fight to their last breath to halt Donald Trump’s agenda and continue growing our out-of-control federal government.

They will always resist the force that threatens their power.

If we try to shrink government by engaging the establishment in Washington, we will lose.

If we rely on Donald Trump to vanquish them on his own, he will be vastly outnumbered and overpowered, and he will lose.

Thankfully, we have the secret weapon -- a Convention of States -- that will enable us to win this fight.

And with thirty-three red states, there has never been a better time to deploy it than right now.

With petition signers in 100% of state house legislative districts, we are already positioned to strike.

Alaska, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Indiana, and Louisiana have officially joined the fight.

By the time the President takes the Oath of Office, forty states will have started their legislative sessions.

But today, we face a critical fundraising deadline. We need to raise $250,000 online before the year is out, to continue growing the grassroots army.

Give today and your gift will be doubled, dollar for dollar. $15 becomes $30; $50 becomes $100, and $100 becomes $200.

Will you stand with us and help us take advantage of this critical moment in history?

Mark Meckler
Convention of States

http://www.cosaction.com/

https://causes.anedot.com/year-end-1

[Fantom]

Trench warfare is coming.

Normally, I don't post a solicitation (e-mail) and I don't know if this is against forum rules; but a couple of our forum members have been questioning a Convention of States. I agree; now is the time to act.  If we wait, it will be too late!

I understand that in the wake of Mr. Trump’s astounding victory, it can be tempting to coast through the holiday season and “unplug” from the fight for liberty -- at least for a while.

But please understand -- giving in to that temptation would be disasterous for our movement.

If we wait only a few weeks -- even if we just wait until Donald Trump takes the Oath of Office, it will be too late.

Right this moment, the Washington establishment is preparing for all-out trench warfare.

These Washington elites are digging in and preparing to do everything in their power to resist the will of the American people.

The turnover of the House in 2010 meant nothing to them. Nor did the turnover of the Senate in 2014, or the turnover of the White House just a few weeks ago.

These entrenched elitists will fight to their last breath to halt Donald Trump’s agenda and continue growing our out-of-control federal government.

They will always resist the force that threatens their power.

If we try to shrink government by engaging the establishment in Washington, we will lose.

If we rely on Donald Trump to vanquish them on his own, he will be vastly outnumbered and overpowered, and he will lose.

Thankfully, we have the secret weapon -- a Convention of States -- that will enable us to win this fight.

And with thirty-three red states, there has never been a better time to deploy it than right now.

With petition signers in 100% of state house legislative districts, we are already positioned to strike.

Alaska, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Indiana, and Louisiana have officially joined the fight.

By the time the President takes the Oath of Office, forty states will have started their legislative sessions.

But today, we face a critical fundraising deadline. We need to raise $250,000 online before the year is out, to continue growing the grassroots army.

Give today and your gift will be doubled, dollar for dollar. $15 becomes $30; $50 becomes $100, and $100 becomes $200.

Will you stand with us and help us take advantage of this critical moment in history?

Mark Meckler
Convention of States

http://www.cosaction.com/

https://causes.anedot.com/year-end-1

Oh yes, it is time.

We need a Convention of States. Now!

There is a tide in the affairs of men.
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
On such a full sea are we now afloat,
And we must take the current when it serves,
Or lose our ventures.

The Flood is Now.

[HoustonSam]

These entrenched elitists will fight to their last breath to halt Donald Trump’s agenda and continue growing our out-of-control federal government.

I was among those surprised by Trump's upset victory.  My low opinion of him is not changed by that victory, but he was duly elected, and I like some of how he has operated since election night.  I see no merit in speaking against him before he has a chance in office. 

Uncertain about the desirability of a convention of the states, I think the idea is at least worth consideration.

But the quoted statement is simply not credible.  Trump has made no serious argument about reining in the FedGov and is actually proposing a trillion dollar spending package, and is gaining the celebrated "bipartisan support" with that proposal.  The idea that Trump opposes the Washington-centric, out-of-control agenda of the "entrenched elitists" is a delusion.

[libertybele]

38 out of the 50 states are GOP; not necessarily conservative but not lead by liberals either which is a huge advantage and a great potential for success to return power back to the states.  We may not have this number of red states after the mid terms in 2018.

[Cripplecreek]

I was among those surprised by Trump's upset victory.  My low opinion of him is not changed by that victory, but he was duly elected, and I like some of how he has operated since election night.  I see no merit in speaking against him before he has a chance in office. 

Uncertain about the desirability of a convention of the states, I think the idea is at least worth consideration.

But the quoted statement is simply not credible.  Trump has made no serious argument about reining in the FedGov and is actually proposing a trillion dollar spending package, and is gaining the celebrated "bipartisan support" with that proposal.  The idea that Trump opposes the Washington-centric, out-of-control agenda of the "entrenched elitists" is a delusion.

 I don't trust the Trump crowd anywhere near the constitution. Operate within the constraints of the constitution we have for a while and see how that works out.

[Fantom]

I was among those surprised by Trump's upset victory.  My low opinion of him is not changed by that victory, but he was duly elected, and I like some of how he has operated since election night.  I see no merit in speaking against him before he has a chance in office. 

Uncertain about the desirability of a convention of the states, I think the idea is at least worth consideration.

But the quoted statement is simply not credible.  Trump has made no serious argument about reining in the FedGov and is actually proposing a trillion dollar spending package, and is gaining the celebrated "bipartisan support" with that proposal.  The idea that Trump opposes the Washington-centric, out-of-control agenda of the "entrenched elitists" is a delusion.

No doubt Trump is an authoritarian champion of Big Gov. All the more reason for a Convention of States.

Especially now when the Conservative movement is at a "Flood".  Regardless of whether Congress calls the Convention and sets itself as the voting body .. or lets the States send such representatives as they may. It bodes well that either loads the vote with Conservatives.

Personally I can think of three amendments to propose.

I. The Federal Budget shall be limited to  10% of GDP unless a war consisting of full mobilization to an existential threat  is declared by Congress.  Non wartime budget shall be allocated to no less than 45% to maintain military forces.

II. All Treaty and Law passed by Congress and signed by the President shall be sent to the States for Ratification by no less than a 3/4ths majority before taking effect. All regulations by any agency other than Congress must be sent to Congress for review and consent, Signed by the President, and sent to the States for Ratification by no less than 3/4ths majority before taking effect.

The President may declare a law under emergency powers which takes place immediately. Congress will immediately convene and pass or reject said law within 48 hours with a 2/3 rd majority and send to the States for Ratification by 3/4ths majority if passed,  or said law is annulled.

III. Any persons receiving means tested income or benefits are denied the right to vote in any Federal election. All voters eligible must valid bio-metric ID for any election. Federal or State. 

[Fantom]

38 out of the 50 states are GOP; not necessarily conservative but not lead by liberals either which is a huge advantage and a great potential for success to return power back to the states.  We may not have this number of red states after the mid terms in 2018.

Right, actually, I think we should be ramping up for after 2018.

How many States have passed this so far? I am upset my State Oklahoma did not pass it last year when it came up.

[geronl]

I think it'll be fruitless and possibly dangerous.

The American people have proven themselves to be morons.

[libertybele]

I don't trust the Trump crowd anywhere near the constitution. Operate within the constraints of the constitution we have for a while and see how that works out.

Ideally the Convention of States would strip the power from the Feds and return it back to the states; bringing the constraints of the Constitution back in line.  The Convention of States would consist of state legislators and ordinary citizens; not necessarily the 'Trump' crowd.  Calling a Convention of States is not without risk and is long overdue. With 38 Red states, I see the odds of success much greater than calling the convention with 38 blue states of course.  Only 12 states are blue...those odds are pretty darn good and we may not be in this position again for a very long time.

[truth_seeker]

What is the specific agenda for which this Convention would be convened?

It there anything specific, rather than flowery vague words?

[geronl]

I don't support the GOP anymore either, so there being many "red states" is meaningless. Both parties are part of the problem as are most of the states at this point.

[Luis Gonzalez]

What is the specific agenda for which this Convention would be convened?

It there anything specific, rather than flowery vague words?

It's an idiotic and dangerous idea.

The people who support the notion believe that all these lofty conservative ideals would be enshrined in a "new" Constitution, when in fact, there's no way to predict what the results of a Constitutional may be. It could very well have the absolutre opposite outcome.

That's what happened the last time a Constitutional Convention was convened. The outcome was never the intended goal of it.

[truth_seeker]

It's an idiotic and dangerous idea.

The people who support the notion believe that all these lofty conservative ideals would be enshrined in a "new" Constitution, when in fact, there's no way to predict what the results of a Constitutional may be. It could very well have the absolutre opposite outcome.

That's what happened the last time a Constitutional Convention was convened. The outcome was never the intended goal of it.

I believe it is highly improbable it will come to be.

[Sanguine]

I think it'll be fruitless and possibly dangerous.

The American people have proven themselves to be morons.

How?  @geronl, tell me how it could be dangerous.

[Luis Gonzalez]

It is not an invalid criticism.  But the danger would require massive stupidity more than just your average election stupidity.  I don't think we are there yet.  If we are, all is lost anyway.  If we do not act, all is lost anyway.  I see it as our only option.

Do you for one second believe that the "rights" current.y enjoyed by the people... abortion, same-sex marriage, free health care, etc would be wiped out by a Constitutional Convention?

The exact opposite would probably be the case, and all those rights would probably be enshrined in the new Constitution.

Hell... maybe even more.

[Smokin Joe]

It may be dangerous.  In which case all is lost.  Because if leaving the federal government and especially the federal courts in charge of our lives is our only option, we are toast already.  I see the convention of states as the only hope to recover what has been lost of our self-government and local control that was the whole purpose and design of our Constitution and its separation and limits on power.  More and more an elite few decide everything for the entire nation.  This must stop.  The Constitutional way to stop it is through an Article V Convention of States.  We had better do a lot of educating as we work for it, but we had better work for it.  Consider how many voters are now giving full support to open socialism.  We need to restrain the federal government AND educate the public about what they are mindlessly surrendering.

My view on this is ridiculously simple.

If the Federal Government will not follow the Constitution we have, why would handing them more change anything?

One of the best arguments against gun control, is that criminals who use guns in crimes are already ignoring the law to commit their particular crimes. Would one more law make any difference?

There is a distinct logical parallel here.

Recalling, if you will that GOP does NOT equal "Conservative", using the GOP domination of a large number of states does not translate to Conservative domination of those states.
Nor, for that matter does it mean that conservative philosophies will dominate.

Unless we see some serious Conservative action, within the bounds of our Constitution, I really see no benefit in opening that up to alteration beyond what we now have. What we really need is the return of the Rule of Law in D.C., and for the laws on the books to be complied with. Of course, that won't happen until people have a downside to criminal action, and if Hillary and Co. skate, there won't be one.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I agree with people saying this is dangerous. This could definitely run away from us too. Any changes could have effects we haven't considered yet.


Just tread carefully.

[libertybele]

It's an idiotic and dangerous idea.

The people who support the notion believe that all these lofty conservative ideals would be enshrined in a "new" Constitution, when in fact, there's no way to predict what the results of a Constitutional may be. It could very well have the absolutre opposite outcome.

That's what happened the last time a Constitutional Convention was convened. The outcome was never the intended goal of it.

First of all, a Convention of States is not a Constitutional Convention and differs in that it doesn't rewrite the Constitution it amends the Constitution.  Keep in mind that the Convention of States consists of STATE LEGISLATORS and in this process, the Federal legislature is bypassed. This convention process has never been used for proposing constitutional amendments.

Perhaps this video will help:

http://www.conventionofstates.com/solution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_to_propose_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

First of all, a Convention of States is not a Constitutional Convention and differs in that it doesn't rewrite the Constitution it amends the Constitution.  Keep in mind that the Convention of States consists of STATE LEGISLATORS and in this process, the Federal legislature is bypassed. This convention process has never been used for proposing constitutional amendments.

Perhaps this video will help:

http://www.conventionofstates.com/solution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_to_propose_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Yes this is a good point. A constitutional convention amends the constitution rather than completely scraps it. Very true.


However, my opinion doesn't change, this could run away from us if we're not careful. Public sentiment can and will change and these state houses could flip to the dems in the process.

[Cripplecreek]

Yes this is a good point. A constitutional convention amends the constitution rather than completely scraps it. Very true.


However, my opinion doesn't change, this could run away from us if we're not careful. Public sentiment can and will change and these state houses could flip to the dems in the process.

I don't trust the Trump crowd and now we have guys like Jeb Bush supporting it.

[libertybele]

Yes this is a good point. A constitutional convention amends the constitution rather than completely scraps it. Very true.


However, my opinion doesn't change, this could run away from us if we're not careful. Public sentiment can and will change and these state houses could flip to the dems in the process.

Sure the State Houses could flip ... but not until the mid terms in 2018.  That's why it must be done now rather than later with 38 states Red and only 12 Blue.  As for public sentiment; the Convention of States is to return power to the States and to the people, giving the Feds less control.  I'm not so sure that people would object to that in the future.  Sure there are a lot of people who don't have a clue, but in all probability they're not going to be paying attention to what's going on anyways and some of those people are the same people protesting in the streets right now objecting to our electoral process and the outcome. Even more reason to call a Convention of States now rather than later.  Things are out of control at the federal level and the liberal politicians have greatly deceived their followers. IMHO timing is key to a successful Convention of States.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Yes this is a good point. A constitutional convention amends the constitution rather than completely scraps it. Very true.


However, my opinion doesn't change, this could run away from us if we're not careful. Public sentiment can and will change and these state houses could flip to the dems in the process.

Either way the outcome is unpredictable, and considering the fact that liberals have won the popular vote four out the last five Presidential elections, the real possibilities of changes to the Constitution being diametrically opposite to what we want to see are very strong.

[libertybele]

Either way the outcome is unpredictable, and considering the fact that liberals have won the popular vote four out the last five Presidential elections, the real possibilities of changes to the Constitution being diametrically opposite to what we want to see are very strong.

It is up to the State Legislators.  The same legislators who the people have elected and right now the numbers of State Legislators in Red States far exceed those in Blue States.  Of course there are no guarantees and any outcome is unpredictable.  Who would have thought that we would wind up with Trump as our president elect from all of the other GOP hopefuls and who would have thought Hillary would lose to Trump??  If we don't call for a Convention of States when we have such a tremendous opportunity with the odds heavily in our favor, we will never know and the Fed's overreach of power into our everyday lives will only continue to grow.

[kevindavis007]

Sorry, but I have a feeling that a Convention of States will be a bad idea.  Just because it was promoted on Talk Radio doesn't mean it is a good idea.

[Cripplecreek]

Sorry, but I have a feeling that a Convention of States will be a bad idea.  Just because it was promoted on Talk Radio doesn't mean it is a good idea.

I have a few questions and have yet to get an answer to the first one.

What's wrong with the constitution we have?

As far as I can see, every constitutional amendment for the last 150 years or so have been unnecessary, damaging, or unnecessary and damaging.