Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps

[goatprairie]

It was a gift from a friend, apparently.  The revelation came from his ex-wife, so....I would need more than just that before I were to read more into it.  There is enough reason to not vote for Trump without trying to claim he studied Mein Kampf or any Hitler book.  Trump does not read, remember.  His only interests are self adulation and money.  He is a schemer, but he is not really a thinker.

Yes, Trump is cunning. Cunning does not preclude actual intelligence, but it is more of a conniving kind of intelligence. He knew there were millions of conservative Republicans and many non-political types who were fed up with the flood of illegal, unassimilable invaders.
So he got in front of the crowd early and rode that to victory. If not for that issue, Trump would still be looking at his image in a mirror and/or applying cheeto-based makeup to his face.
That take scheming,  conniving cunning...not principled, intelligent conservatism.

[roamer_1]

I would need more than just that before I were to read more into it.  There is enough reason to not vote for Trump without trying to claim he studied Mein Kampf or any Hitler book.

I'll stand with you on that... I have read Mein Kampf, and a good many of his speeches... With a jaundiced eye. Those that don't know history, and all that...

I can absolutely guarantee that just because I studied Hitler does not mean that I agreed with him at all.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Thanks for the reinforcement and reminder why I oppose Trump. I almost had second thoughts for a few seconds with Pence's debate thinking about at least getting him second in line would be good....


....but then this article reminded me about the disturbing trend on the right and even among Christians, looking to the government to be their savior and white knight and placing their hopes for change in a golden calf instead of God....  Christian Conservatives have been replacing God with Government and they have been creating their own demise. They don't need to look to the left, they need to look in a mirror.

That is just as bad as progressivism, at that, it is just another form of progressivism.

Couldn't have said it better.

[musiclady]

I am hanging my hope on the promise Trump made regarding SCOTUS nominees. Yes, he's completely untrustworthy but there it is.

I respect your choice.

I don't believe that Trump will do anything he's claiming right now because of his pathological lying, but this election is so messed up that I understand why you're doing what you're doing.

There isn't really a decent choice for a Christian who actually believes in Biblical principles.

[musiclady]

Thanks for the reinforcement and reminder why I oppose Trump. I almost had second thoughts for a few seconds with Pence's debate thinking about at least getting him second in line would be good....


....but then this article reminded me about the disturbing trend on the right and even among Christians, looking to the government to be their savior and white knight and placing their hopes for change in a golden calf instead of God....  Christian Conservatives have been replacing God with Government and they have been creating their own demise. They don't need to look to the left, they need to look in a mirror.

That is just as bad as progressivism, at that, it is just another form of progressivism.

Excellent post.

"Christian" progressivism isn't actually Christian at all.

[musiclady]

Some kind of slick character, no doubt!   

 

[skeeter]

I respect your choice.

I don't believe that Trump will do anything he's claiming right now because of his pathological lying, but this election is so messed up that I understand why you're doing what you're doing.

There isn't really a decent choice for a Christian who actually believes in Biblical principles.

You are right. The choices being offered are beyond demoralizing.

[musiclady]

You are right. The choices being offered are beyond demoralizing.

The opinion of many Christians that this election is an indication that God is withdrawing His hand of blessing on America is a valid one, IMO.

To have the choice (in the two major parties) of two vile, amoral, corrupt liberals indicates to me that America has totally thrown away its values.

The Dem party did it decades ago, but there has been a shred of decency and conservatism left in the Republican party.

Until now.....

[musiclady]

Do you deep thinkers believe Trump will seek to silence Christians as Obama, Clinton, et al are in fact doing? I am not at all religious and I am wholly against that silencing.

And what of the burgeoning Jew-hatred on the left?

Nice passive-aggressive condescension there, endicom....

Others have dealt with the inanity of this post, but I want to add that it is Trump who is encouraging anti-Semitism in his following.

I have absolutely NO doubt that there are racist leftists who are going to be pulling the lever for Trump because he is their fellow Jew hating traveler....

[Silver Pines]

My wife's family is similar to yours. They give her hell for being a NeverTrumper, but they're silent around me...they know better than that.  lol

@Night Hides Not

Oh, I understand, lol.  My husband and I hold our own in the middle of all of them.  My father-in-law, God love him--and I do, too---is an in-your-face type A personality who only respects people who stand up to him.  I got him to admit that part of the reason he's still on the Trump train is because he hates to lose.

[endicom]

Did you type that last sentence with a straight face?  Or are you completely oblivious to the alt-right and the influence of the neo-Nazis in that group who are Trump supporters?

'alt-right' is just a buzz word for this election cycle. Such people have long been around and have long been falsely associated with the Republican candidate. They are only as significant as you choose to make them.

Why do you choose to make them significant?

[XenaLee]

Nice passive-aggressive condescension there, endicom....

Others have dealt with the inanity of this post, but I want to add that it is Trump who is encouraging anti-Semitism in his following.

I have absolutely NO doubt that there are racist leftists who are going to be pulling the lever for Trump because he is their fellow Jew hating traveler....

And for those who might try to say that Trump's own son-in-law is a Jew.....check out where Jared's loyalties lie....JUST AS Trump's did (and still do, IMO).  With the Democrats.   Liberal Jews in America are Democrats first and foremost....above all else.  Being a Jew, with them, comes in dead last, if at all.

2014:

http://www.campaignmoney.com/finance.asp?type=in&cycle=14&criteria=Kushner&fname=jared

2004:

http://www.campaignmoney.com/finance.asp?type=in&cycle=04&criteria=Kushner&fname=jared

[Idaho_Cowboy]

'alt-right' is just a buzz word for this election cycle. Such people have long been around and have long been falsely associated with the Republican candidate. They are only as significant as you choose to make them.

Why do you choose to make them significant?

The conservative movement should have no room for those who don't believe that all men are created equal. It's founding belief of liberty and freedom.

[Norm Lenhart]

'alt-right' is just a buzz word for this election cycle. Such people have long been around and have long been falsely associated with the Republican candidate. They are only as significant as you choose to make them.

Why do you choose to make them significant?

Yea if I threw my lot in with the alt right and my/their candidate threw an election, I'd try to minimize my involvement and their importance too.

[musiclady]

'alt-right' is just a buzz word for this election cycle. Such people have long been around and have long been falsely associated with the Republican candidate. They are only as significant as you choose to make them.

Why do you choose to make them significant?

You're good at the passive-aggressive stuff, aren't you?

Have you looked at TOS lately?  I was there for 12 years, and never saw ANY of this stuff before they became Trump zealots.

The question is, why did YOU choose to turn this election into an anti-Semitic crusade?

[musiclady]

Yea if I threw my lot in with the alt right and my/their candidate threw an election, I'd try to minimize my involvement and their importance too.

Trump zealots do projection frequently and transparently.

[jpsb]

Christians should put their hope in Jesus Christ not Donald Trump.  I posted a quote from Hitler saying the same things about his love for Christians and Christianity.  Donald Trump is not a Christian.   His plans against other religions tell the story for the future of Christianity.  If any person believes he can separate religions out for test and limiting immigration  of certain religions without it happening to them  have their head in the sand.  Anyone thinking that Donald is your savior from religious discrimination should study religion under Hitler and get back to me.

We have a Constitution.  And the separate powers of Government need to enact laws to make sure that activists judges follow the Constitution.  If they are activist they should be removed.  I don't believe for a moment that Trump is going to protect anyone's religious rights.  It is up to Godly men and women to vote for Godly men and women to lead this country based on its Constitutional law.  And Donald Trump is not a Godly man.

"In this hour I would ask of the Lord God only this: that He would give His blessing to our work, and that He may ever give us the courage to do the right. I am convinced that men who are created by God should live in accordance with the will of the Almighty. No man can fashion world history unless upon his purpose and his powers there rests the blessings of this Providence."

-Hitler

Trump did keep a copy of Mein Kampf on his night stand.

Axiomatic to Islam is the imposition of Shara Law. Shara Law is incompatible with our constitutional system.  Why should we import people that wish to over turn our constitution and impose Shara Law? That is just crazy. Islam is not just a religion it is also a political/government system. Those that believe in Islam are commanded to spread Islam by any means possible, including murder. I am happy that at least one candidate understands the danger that is Islam.

@Chosen Daughter

[Norm Lenhart]

Trump zealots do projection frequently and transparently.

They arent very bright. Very liberal, yes. But not very bright.

[endicom]

The question is, why did YOU choose to turn this election into an anti-Semitic crusade?

Gee, I grew up in a predominantly Jewish section of NYC without ever being called anti-Semitic. Your comment is incredibly dishonest but I guess you think you are being sly.

[chae]

@musiclady

I followed a few links down a rabbit hole and ended up on TOS this morning, there was an article about Octoberfest and muslims and one post said "the Germans knew how to deal with the wrong kind of people". 
I'm pretty much the farthest thing from a snowflake, but that truly disgusted me.

[Norm Lenhart]

@musiclady

I followed a few links down a rabbit hole and ended up on TOS this morning, there was an article about Octoberfest and muslims and one post said "the Germans knew how to deal with the wrong kind of people". 
I'm pretty much the farthest thing from a snowflake, but that truly disgusted me.

Antisemitics and Alt Righters are blood brothers. Literally.

[Night Hides Not]

@musiclady

I followed a few links down a rabbit hole and ended up on TOS this morning, there was an article about Octoberfest and muslims and one post said "the Germans knew how to deal with the wrong kind of people". 
I'm pretty much the farthest thing from a snowflake, but that truly disgusted me.

They can't help themselves, they've lost their bearings on world history. They have become low-info voters, content to feed themselves large dollops of whatever Trump serves that particular day.

[Norm Lenhart]

They can't help themselves, they've lost their bearings on world history. They have become low-info voters, content to feed themselves large dollops of whatever Trump serves that particular day.

Ever notice the two things they hate more than anything is having the parallels of Nazi Germany and 1984 pointed out to them?

Doublethink. Doublespeak. The 2 min. hate. The ministry of Truth. the ministry of Love. the whole idea of making certain words and ideas/parts of history simply vanish to ensure comparisons CANNOT be made to something said or done the day before? These all describe Trump supporters perfectly. They embody literally every part of 1984 without exception.

[Night Hides Not]

Ever notice the two things they hate more than anything is having the parallels of Nazi Germany and 1984 pointed out to them?

Doublethink. Doublespeak. The 2 min. hate. The ministry of Truth. the ministry of Love. the whole idea of making certain words and ideas/parts of history simply vanish to ensure comparisons CANNOT be made to something said or done the day before? These all describe Trump supporters perfectly. They embody literally every part of 1984 without exception.

I need to go back and read 1984 again. For now, I'll settle with my recent readings of Atlas Shrugged, which is now nonfiction. Both Trump & Hillary would like Directive 10-289.

[Norm Lenhart]

I need to go back and read 1984 again. For now, I'll settle with my recent readings of Atlas Shrugged, which is now nonfiction. Both Trump & Hillary would like Directive 10-289.

Have another go at Brave New World as well. If you throw in Idiocracy, and I am totally serious here, you have the last 10 years of America encapsulated perfectly.