Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps

[Night Hides Not]

@DiogenesLamp

I see your false characterization of Trump used all the time in an effort to try and justify supporting him.  The problem is not that he "isn't sufficiently Christian" or is flawed, etc.  Everyone is flawed and no one is "sufficiently" Christian.

The issue is that Trump is an amoral, pathologically lying, progressive sleaze.  If you want to convince yourself that he's somehow better than Hillary, go right ahead, but the facts say otherwise, and you can say Hillary is a Satanist (any evidence or another conspiracy theory?) but the truth is that Trump is just as evil in the Biblical sense. 

Trump is on video saying he is "very pro-choice" and would do nothing to stop the practice of partial-birth abortion.  If you need a reminder, that's the practice of driving scissors into the skulls of infants and vacuuming out their brains.  There is no way in hell I'll support a man who ever said such a thing.

Trump openly used the Bible as a prop to lie about his supposed "Christianity" to the gullible and desperate even though Ben Carson acknowledged that he's little more than an atheist.  He owns strip clubs...if he's been converted to Christianity, why hasn't he rid himself of them?

He seems unnaturally preoccupied with his daughter's "hot body".  Yesterday I ran across an article in Rolling Stone in which he said, "Hey, if I weren't a married man and her father..."  So yes, there's something very sick going on there.  I don't mean incest, but I mean in Trump's brain.  He's disordered, and he's disgusting.  I also found a link which would take me to a Howard Stern interview where he mused about anal sex.  I didn't have the stomach to read it.

I'm sorry, but if you believe any good result could come from electing such a man to lead this country, you are deluding yourself.  The same is true if you think God expects us to, or would be tolerant of supporting him.   

If Trump had a "D" behind his name, many of the people cheering him on now would excoriate him for being a moral sewer.  But put the "R" there instead, and all of a sudden his dirt undergoes a magic whitewash.

I'm not buying it.  I fear God more than I fear Hillary Clinton.

How any man can be sexually attracted to their daughters is way beyond me. I held my daughter for the first time 15 minutes after she was born. As I was giving her her first bottle of water, I felt a feeling of love and wonder I had never felt before...it was overwhelming.

My next thought was, "now I know why all those fathers looked at me the way they did, when I picked up their daughters for a date." That was quite unnerving as well.

She's now 29, and a lovely young woman. She can handle herself, and I'm proud of her. Trump is so far off base, though.

[roamer_1]

Simply put, "deeds not words." Trump & Hillary fail in their deeds and words.

Indeed they do.

I would never vote for hillary clinton because she is a life long liberal.
But then, so is trump. The argument that the national socialist is less troublesome than the global socialist is a distinction without a difference.

As a Christian, my endorsement has been withheld from Trump from the very beginning:

That he has profited from casinos, strip clubs, and escort services, remaining not only unrepentant, but rather, brazenly unrepentant, is more than enough to show his low character. Whatever quantifying beyond that is wholly unnecessary, and will not change the equation. Trump is absolutely *not* the answer to anything. His character will find him out. 

[skeeter]

So is Trump.

I am hanging my hope on the promise Trump made regarding SCOTUS nominees. Yes, he's completely untrustworthy but there it is.

[Night Hides Not]

I am hanging my hope on the promise Trump made regarding SCOTUS nominees. Yes, he's completely untrustworthy but there it is.

That's an opinion that I understand, and respect. My oft-stated reasons speak for themselves.

[XenaLee]

I do see many similarities, but I think they are on accident.  He may have even read the speeches to learn how to manipulate and mesmerize an audience.  It's possible.  I just don't think Trump thinks deeply enough to be as fully and calculatingly evil as Hitler.  He is likely to just stumble into it on his way to grabbing power, adulation and money.  Trump wants power for the thrill of it.  He must win.  He must prove he is better than everyone else.  Once he has it, the only goal I think he will really care about is money.  He wants more of it.  And praise.  He wants more of it.  And vengeance.  He wants more of it.  None of it is about ideology for Trump, imo.

Trump will do (and say) anything that he "thinks" will get him power and/or adulation.  True, he's not a 'deep thinker'.  But that trait could prove even more dangerous to America, eh?  And true, he worships money above all else.  Power and women are just the side effects from having all that money.  And yes, Trump craves attention.  Always has, no doubt.

[XenaLee]

Indeed they do.

I would never vote for hillary clinton because she is a life long liberal.
But then, so is trump. The argument that the national socialist is less troublesome than the global socialist is a distinction without a difference.

As a Christian, my endorsement has been withheld from Trump from the very beginning:

That he has profited from casinos, strip clubs, and escort services, remaining not only unrepentant, but rather, brazenly unrepentant, is more than enough to show his low character. Whatever quantifying beyond that is wholly unnecessary, and will not change the equation. Trump is absolutely *not* the answer to anything. His character will find him out.

And let's not forget..... that Trump once stated that his sister, a pro-partial-birth-abortion judge, would make an excellent Supreme Court Justice.  Of course, since he decided to run as a ""Christian Conservative Republican"" (a la wolves in sheeps clothing style)... he had to backtrack on that statement .....

among other statements that he made in the past that don't jive with him now, magically, not being a lifelong liberal Democrat.

[roamer_1]

How any man can be sexually attracted to their daughters is way beyond me. I held my daughter for the first time 15 minutes after she was born. As I was giving her her first bottle of water, I felt a feeling of love and wonder I had never felt before...it was overwhelming.

For me it was something in the smell... the first snoot-full of the top of the head and that kid is MINE. The protection instinct in that moment is the most immediate and visceral sense I have ever felt, and it *never* leaves.

[skeeter]

That's an opinion that I understand, and respect. My oft-stated reasons speak for themselves.

Thanks.

This election cannot end soon enough for me.

[goatprairie]

Trump is everything his detractors here say. But I cannot lift a finger if lifting it will help Hillary Clinton in even the slightest manner. She is poison to our society and the republic.

That is why many people who detest Trump (like maybe possibly me) will pull the lever for His Orangeness.  HRC is that bad.
But the NeverTrumpers can make a pretty good argument that in the long run Trump will be worse. He might ruin the Republican brand for decades or longer. He's certainly helped stomp conservative, constitutional philosophy into the dirt. If that dies, that is what will kill the Republic and not four or eight years of Her Heinous.

[Chosen Daughter]

Can you source that?  It is a horrible thing to say if it is not true.  I'm not for winning by bearing false witness any more than I am for winning with the hideous Trump.  Not accusing....just wanting to check your source.

Yes bearing false witness is serious sin.  I would never post anything I didn't know to be true.  These things were revealed far before this election.  I thought it was Mein Kampf but a book of Hitler speeches.  He could very well be taking his rhetoric directly from Hitlers word.  I have heard him say many similar things. 

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-ex-wife-once-said-he-kept-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-2015-8

[goatprairie]

I wouldn't read anything into just placing fingers together.   Most people do something with their hands unless they are well trained to leave them at their side or in their laps.  My husband was a pen clicker.  Drove me crazy.  LOL.  Think about what you do with your hands when you are sitting, having a conversation and there are no drink glasses or coffee cups or computers or anything. 

Trump is a narcissist, but I don't think he's a satanist.  If Trump worships anything, it is himself and his money.

"My husband was a pen clicker.  Drove me crazy."

There was a professor at my alma mater who  almost near the end of the semester exploded at a  student who had been driving him nuts most of the semester with his pen-clicking. Maybe if they rule out waterboarding repetitive pen-clicking might make some people talk.

[XenaLee]

Yes bearing false witness is serious sin.  I would never post anything I didn't know to be true.  These things were revealed far before this election.  I thought it was Mein Kampf but a book of Hitler speeches.  He could very well be taking his rhetoric directly from Hitlers word.  I have heard him say many similar things. 

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-ex-wife-once-said-he-kept-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-2015-8

If anyone wants to check out what Trump may have been 'reading up on'.....check out this link....

https://ypovydowaw.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/my-new-order.pdf

And this one...

https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-0IryYbwVIPGFodSS/Hitler%20-%20New%20World%20Order%20(1928)_djvu.txt

[Ghost Bear]

BTW, what in the heck is a "Satinist"?

Some kind of slick character, no doubt!   

[Silver Pines]

How any man can be sexually attracted to their daughters is way beyond me. I held my daughter for the first time 15 minutes after she was born. As I was giving her her first bottle of water, I felt a feeling of love and wonder I had never felt before...it was overwhelming.

My next thought was, "now I know why all those fathers looked at me the way they did, when I picked up their daughters for a date." That was quite unnerving as well.

She's now 29, and a lovely young woman. She can handle herself, and I'm proud of her. Trump is so far off base, though.

@Night Hides Not

That's a lovely story, and you sound like a wonderful father.  As for Trump, I think something is very wrong with him.

What's troubling is that his supporters either don't care or will try their best to dismiss it.  A few months ago, when my husband's family was initially aghast that we refuse to support Trump, I told them about his inappropriate remarks about Ivanka.  My husband's aunt, a very intelligent women who normally has zero tolerance for nonsense, replied, "Well, maybe it was a compliment and he just thinks she's beautiful."

I said, "You can't believe that.  You know it's sick."  And another aunt, also a Trump fan, said, "She's right.  It is sick, and there's no getting around it."

[libertybele]

Thanks for the reinforcement and reminder why I oppose Trump. I almost had second thoughts for a few seconds with Pence's debate thinking about at least getting him second in line would be good....


....but then this article reminded me about the disturbing trend on the right and even among Christians, looking to the government to be their savior and white knight and placing their hopes for change in a golden calf instead of God....  Christian Conservatives have been replacing God with Government and they have been creating their own demise. They don't need to look to the left, they need to look in a mirror.

That is just as bad as progressivism, at that, it is just another form of progressivism.

Very well stated.  Government has infringed upon our Christian beliefs and principles; acceptance of same sex marriage, transgenders, all gender restrooms, references to God taken out of our classrooms, and most places of business won't allow the display of a nativity scene at Christmas or a crucifix hung or allow employees to utter the words "Merry Christimas"!  Yet slowly the allegiance towards Islam and Sharia law is slowly creeping into our society.

[skeeter]

That is why many people who detest Trump (like maybe possibly me) will pull the lever for His Orangeness.  HRC is that bad.
But the NeverTrumpers can make a pretty good argument that in the long run Trump will be worse. He might ruin the Republican brand for decades or longer. He's certainly helped stomp conservative, constitutional philosophy into the dirt. If that dies, that is what will kill the Republic and not four or eight years of Her Heinous.

I understand. But IMO there is no 'long run'. The threat is immediate.

I've heard that fully one third of federal judge on the bench were appointed by Obama. As many as four SCOTUS justices could be appointed by the next president.

With Trump there may be .01 percent chance someone other than leftwing radicals are appointed to these positions.

With Hillary there will be .00 chance.

That sums it up for me.

[endicom]

Do you deep thinkers believe Trump will seek to silence Christians as Obama, Clinton, et al are in fact doing? I am not at all religious and I am wholly against that silencing.

And what of the burgeoning Jew-hatred on the left?

[roamer_1]

And let's not forget..... that Trump once stated that his sister, a pro-partial-birth-abortion judge, would make an excellent Supreme Court Justice.  Of course, since he decided to run as a ""Christian Conservative Republican"" (a la wolves in sheeps clothing style)... he had to backtrack on that statement .....

among other statements that he made in the past that don't jive with him now, magically, not being a lifelong liberal Democrat.

Oh, I do not forget - The list of negatives is a mile long. But none of it matters. None of it.

Whatever convolutions and acrobatic mathematics might be applied, the bare, unvarnished truth of it is that he is of low character. That's all you need to know:
He will be untrustworthy - His word will be no good.
He will be insatiably hungry - His base instincts are what drive him.
He will be a flaming narcissist - Self is all he can see.

His nature will find him out, every time. The long list is just the predictable proof thereof.

[goatprairie]

I'm unclear who is the nazi-stalinist in your example - Hillary or Trump?

I think he meant nazi-SATANIST. Besides, Trump reminds me more of Mussolini. I can see Trumpolini standing on the balcony before his adoring throngs with his arms folded on his chest and his jaw jutted out.

[Night Hides Not]

@Night Hides Not

That's a lovely story, and you sound like a wonderful father.  As for Trump, I think something is very wrong with him.

What's troubling is that his supporters either don't care or will try their best to dismiss it.  A few months ago, when my husband's family was initially aghast that we refuse to support Trump, I told them about his inappropriate remarks about Ivanka.  My husband's aunt, a very intelligent women who normally has zero tolerance for nonsense, replied, "Well, maybe it was a compliment and he just thinks she's beautiful."

I said, "You can't believe that.  You know it's sick."  And another aunt, also a Trump fan, said, "She's right.  It is sick, and there's no getting around it."

My wife's family is similar to yours. They give her hell for being a NeverTrumper, but they're silent around me...they know better than that.  lol

[goatprairie]

It wasn't Mein Kampf, it was My New Order....a book of Hitler's speeches.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-used-to-keep-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-according-to-his-ex-wife-a6765391.html

About thirty years ago I came across a copy of that book in the La Crosse (Wi) public library. I decided to give it a perusal. Talk about dull. Whatever magic Hitler had in seducing his audiences must have been in his voice. Because his written statements put you to sleep.

[XenaLee]

I think he meant nazi-SATANIST. Besides, Trump reminds me more of Mussolini. I can see Trumpolini standing on the balcony before his adoring throngs with his arms folded on his chest and his jaw jutted out.

Same fascism....different fasce....lol.

[sinkspur]

Do you deep thinkers believe Trump will seek to silence Christians as Obama, Clinton, et al are in fact doing? I am not at all religious and I am wholly against that silencing.

And what of the burgeoning Jew-hatred on the left?

Did you type that last sentence with a straight face?  Or are you completely oblivious to the alt-right and the influence of the neo-Nazis in that group who are Trump supporters?

[roamer_1]

Do you deep thinkers believe Trump will seek to silence Christians as Obama, Clinton, et al are in fact doing? I am not at all religious and I am wholly against that silencing.

At best, Christianity is incidental to Trump. What is not incidental to him is the liberalism he was raised up in - That essentially puts him on the very same ground as Obama and Clinton. Will he? Dunno. Could he? YEP.

And what of the burgeoning Jew-hatred on the left?

Who is it that has the Aryans and anti-Zionists raising their heads again?

[Norm Lenhart]

American Thinker
Lloyd Marcus
Oct. 6, 2016

For the life of me, I do not understand Christians who say they cannot vote for Trump.

Thats OK. Actual Christians can't understand why once respected people want to vote for Trump. But if they want to explain why it's Christian or patriotic for them to support the pro gay agenda, be pro abortion, be pro amnesty and donatine to liberals while doing business with George Soros, I could use the laughs.