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NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It
« on: September 06, 2016, 04:51:14 pm »

NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/09/nevertrumps_and_the_end_of_america_as_we_know_it.html

Jared E. Peterson
September 6, 2016

The election of Hillary Clinton would mean final defeat for American conservativism -- for at least a generation and almost certainly for much longer than that.  The demographic changes certain to flow from eight more years of open borders, general amnesty, and distribution of the newly arrived statist voters to electorally vulnerable states would make the Left’s presidential victory this fall, for all practical purposes, permanent.

And that’s without considering the effect on the electorate of the increasingly intolerant and repressive educational and political environment, an environment that for eight more years would continue driving substantial segments of the populace, especially the vulnerable young, into the ever more mandatory belief systems of the Left.

But don’t worry: After Clinton’s election the elegant and witty columns of George Will, William Kristol and Jonah Goldberg, aided by the surpassing political skills of the Bush and Romney families, will save us all from both these calamities, and from all the other unnamed ones that Hillary and the Left will bring.

Uh, maybe not.

If Clinton prevails there will be no conservative (or Republican) president during the lifetime of any adult member of the feckless Republican royal families, or of Mr. Goldberg or the children of George Will or William Kristol. Their prediction that the presidency will be recovered in short order is a pipe dream. Over the medium term, twenty to twenty-five years, that recovery would approach demographic impossibility. 

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I won't be here after the election and vote.

If Hillary wins - I will be busy, BLOAT! (It won't be long before she won't let you buy.)

If Trump wins, I won't be here to GLOAT. (I don't want to hang around while everyone looks at every speck in his eye.)

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Re: NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2016, 05:06:25 pm »
From the article:

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Never before in American history have intellectual and political leaders of a major party deliberately attempted to open the gates of enduring power to an enemy sworn to their eradication

One more time:

Never before in American history have intellectual and political leaders of a major party deliberately attempted to open the gates of enduring power to an enemy sworn to their eradication 

Get it, nevertrumps?



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Re: NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2016, 05:35:39 pm »
From the article:

One more time:

Never before in American history have intellectual and political leaders of a major party deliberately attempted to open the gates of enduring power to an enemy sworn to their eradication 

Get it, nevertrumps?


Piffle.  The idiots who ensured Trump's nomination did that.   By "idiots," I include those who post inanities in bold, red letters.

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Re: NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2016, 05:47:30 pm »

Piffle.  The idiots who ensured Trump's nomination did that.   By "idiots," I include those who post inanities in bold, red letters.

Ah, another example of a reasoned, deep thought from a nevertrumper.

Get it, @r9etb ?

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Re: NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2016, 05:50:24 pm »
Ah, another example of a reasoned, deep thought from a nevertrumper.

Don't be foolish.  You're the one who wanted Trump in the first place.  You're the one who has to own the disaster that is his candidacy.  You're the one responsible for opening the gates to a Hillary Clinton presidency.

And you're the one who's trying to hide from the consequences of his own actions.




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Re: NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2016, 05:53:37 pm »
From the article:

One more time:

Never before in American history have intellectual and political leaders of a major party deliberately attempted to open the gates of enduring power to an enemy sworn to their eradication 

Get it, nevertrumps?


Nope.

Still not working.

And the price for my vote has gone up another million, to $68 million.

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Re: NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2016, 05:54:11 pm »

Piffle.  The idiots who ensured Trump's nomination did that.   By "idiots," I include those who post inanities in bold, red letters.

lol!   Yes they did.  Yet the orange New York liberal has them all brainwashed into believing otherwise. 

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Re: NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2016, 06:00:39 pm »
Trump is the end of America as we know it.  There is no solution this election cycle.

Actually, I think we're going to end up with Tim Kaine as the CIC. Another race-baiter, anti-death penalty, ok with abortion Catholic, social justice putz.
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Re: NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2016, 06:09:09 pm »
Actually, I think we're going to end up with Tim Kaine as the CIC. Another race-baiter, anti-death penalty, ok with abortion Catholic, social justice putz.

And Kaine will become CIC through either of two scenarios. Hillary is the most unhealthy person on the planet according to some here at TBR and her failing  health will prevent her from serving, or more likely the email scandals eventually lead to her impeachment and removal from office.  Either way if she wins my bet the 2020 election will be against Kaine and whoever Sean Hannity pushes on us next. 
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2016, 06:12:48 pm »
And Kaine will become CIC through either of two scenarios. Hillary is the most unhealthy person on the planet according to some here at TBR and her failing  health will prevent her from serving, or more likely the email scandals eventually lead to her impeachment and removal from office.  Either way if she wins my bet the 2020 election will be against Kaine and whoever Sean Hannity pushes on us next.

When she wins the election (thank you, Trump side!)... she will not be impeached.

For the good odds are that the Democrats will take the Senate.
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Re: NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2016, 06:14:39 pm »
From the article:

One more time:

Never before in American history have intellectual and political leaders of a major party deliberately attempted to open the gates of enduring power to an enemy sworn to their eradication 

Get it, nevertrumps?

You mean like McConnell, Boehner, Graham, Priebus, the Republican Party Establishment et al., enabling and supporting and assisting Obama's fundamental transformation???

Like Trump's lifelong support of the Clinton's; his endorsements of her Senatorial record and her status as SecState?; his campaign funding of Communist Bill DeBlasio for NYC mayor?  Those deliberate acts that actually opened the gates of enduring power to the enemy sworn to our fundamental transformation and eradication?

Get it?
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Re: NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2016, 06:15:54 pm »
And Kaine will become CIC through either of two scenarios. Hillary is the most unhealthy person on the planet according to some here at TBR and her failing  health will prevent her from serving, or more likely the email scandals eventually lead to her impeachment and removal from office.  Either way if she wins my bet the 2020 election will be against Kaine and whoever Sean Hannity pushes on us next.

She'll win alright.  But removal from office would require more than 2/3 vote in the senate and there is no way even a single democRAT would vote to remove her. 

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Re: NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2016, 06:20:44 pm »
lol!   Yes they did.  Yet the orange New York liberal has them all brainwashed into believing otherwise.


this .just in   the Donnys future is not in question..hes going to be a TV executive...and as such wont have any time to be POTUS!!! 


http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2016/09/06/told-trump-insider-confirms-plans-trump-tv/ 


this follows my Open Challenge to The Donny from last September when I posted a CHALLENGE to the boy to stop whining about being treated unfairly and BUY his OWN NETWORK


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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2016, 06:29:37 pm »
As it becomes clearer and clearer to the Progressive Nationalists/Populists that this is going to be a lot  tougher for Trump than they originally fantasized, I suspect their desperate cries will become increasingly shrill.

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Re: NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2016, 06:34:43 pm »
She'll win alright.  But removal from office would require more than 2/3 vote in the senate and there is no way even a single democRAT would vote to remove her.

Perhaps, if it goes the impeachment route.

The 25th Amendment is still in effect, however, and I suspect that health issues brought on by the stress of the presidency will take her that direction.  Although I suppose in that case Bill might try for another sip from the firehose by staging an Edith Wilson sort of end-around.

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Re: NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2016, 06:42:21 pm »
When she wins the election (thank you, Trump side!)... she will not be impeached.

For the good odds are that the Democrats will take the Senate.

Even if the Republicans keep both houses of congress,  there still won't be an impeachment.  Through coercion or compensation, the Republicans are now servants of the Democrats. 

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Re: NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2016, 06:42:32 pm »
NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/09/nevertrumps_and_the_end_of_america_as_we_know_it.html

Jared E. Peterson
September 6, 2016

The election of Hillary Clinton would mean final defeat for American conservativism -- for at least a generation and almost certainly for much longer than that.  The demographic changes certain to flow from eight more years of open borders, general amnesty, and distribution of the newly arrived statist voters to electorally vulnerable states would make the Left’s presidential victory this fall, for all practical purposes, permanent.

And that’s without considering the effect on the electorate of the increasingly intolerant and repressive educational and political environment, an environment that for eight more years would continue driving substantial segments of the populace, especially the vulnerable young, into the ever more mandatory belief systems of the Left.

But don’t worry: After Clinton’s election the elegant and witty columns of George Will, William Kristol and Jonah Goldberg, aided by the surpassing political skills of the Bush and Romney families, will save us all from both these calamities, and from all the other unnamed ones that Hillary and the Left will bring.

Uh, maybe not.

If Clinton prevails there will be no conservative (or Republican) president during the lifetime of any adult member of the feckless Republican royal families, or of Mr. Goldberg or the children of George Will or William Kristol. Their prediction that the presidency will be recovered in short order is a pipe dream. Over the medium term, twenty to twenty-five years, that recovery would approach demographic impossibility. 

{.. snip ..}

What a fetid steaming load of hysteria and lies! And worse: it is offered in the service of an intellectually vacuous, emotionally unstable, arrogant, angry, loudmouthed New York liberal Clinton Foundation donor whose only redeeming quality in this race is that he isn't Hillary Clinton.

The presumption that this election or any election is some sort of "zero-sum" game is a preposterous one.

Not voting is a choice, as is voting for a third or fourth party. To do so does not help or validate those one chooses not to vote for.  A person who chooses not to vote for Hillary is not helping Donald Trump any more than someone not voting for Trump would be helping Clinton.

If 100% of Republicans who turn out on Election Day voted for Trump, they would be doing so in denial of his waffling and uncertain stances on issues that the author of this piece treats as though there were absolutely no doubt about where he stands, in spite of mountainous evidence to the contrary.

But more to the point: he would still lose. There aren't enough GOP'ers left to overcome the huge Democrat advantages in enrollment and loyalty, and certainly not enough to overcome the now-dominant Independent vote, which this year is likely to account for more than 35% of turnout.

GOP leaders are hardly blameless in their party's decline. They have all too often frozen out conservatives and played footsie with the Democrats who no-so-secretly seek to crush them, and have done so in exchange for hollow, temporary and ultimately meaningless legislative victories.

But in terms of attracting political support in a national election, the conservative news media and the #NeverTrumpers are not the problem.

The problem with Trump.... is Trump.
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Re: NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2016, 06:51:50 pm »
From the article:

One more time:

Never before in American history have intellectual and political leaders of a major party deliberately attempted to open the gates of enduring power to an enemy sworn to their eradication 

Get it, nevertrumps?

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Re: NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2016, 07:00:20 pm »
.  You're the one who wanted Trump in the first place.  You're the one who has to own the disaster that is his candidacy.  You're the one responsible for opening the gates to a Hillary Clinton presidency.

You have no idea how elections work @r9etb     What explains this level of illiteracy? --- I'm truly curious.


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Re: NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2016, 07:06:07 pm »
You mean like McConnell, Boehner, Graham, Priebus, the Republican Party Establishment et al., enabling and supporting and assisting Obama's fundamental transformation???

Like Trump's lifelong support of the Clinton's; his endorsements of her Senatorial record and her status as SecState?; his campaign funding of Communist Bill DeBlasio for NYC mayor?  Those deliberate acts that actually opened the gates of enduring power to the enemy sworn to our fundamental transformation and eradication?

Get it?

No ... you're ranting and raving and failing to make sense.

But, carry on.  Tis your own destruction you fight so hard for.   

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Re: NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2016, 07:13:09 pm »
You have no idea how elections work  r9etb     What explains this level of illiteracy? --- I'm truly curious.

Yeah, you're "curious," all right.

It's not my "level of illiteracy" that's in question here -- I'm not voting for a person who's unfit for the office.  Unlike you.

What's really in question is: are you really so in thrall to a narcissist demagogue that you refuse to take responsibility for your own actions?


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Re: NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2016, 07:13:52 pm »
From the article:

One more time:

Never before in American history have intellectual and political leaders of a major party deliberately attempted to open the gates of enduring power to an enemy sworn to their eradication 

Get it, nevertrumps?

As opposed to the Financial leaders in a very elite class that deliberately attempted to ensure enduring power to an enemy sworn to their eradication.  You know, like when Trump financially helped to keep Hillary in power by donating to her campaigns, enriching her by donating to the foundation and by talking well about her in private circles and public interviews.

But other than that, he has been a leading opposition force!

I will ask this trump supporter the same that I have asked others.  I challenge you to SELL Trump to me.  How has he earned my vote?  Can you do this without using the word Hillary, Cruz, Beck or Levin?

I highly doubt it.

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Re: NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2016, 07:16:26 pm »
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A person who chooses not to vote for Hillary is not helping Donald Trump any more than someone not voting for Trump would be helping Clinton.

That's true.  It's unfortunate that the "you're helping Hillary become President" language gets used.  The correct language would be "you're not helping to stop Hillary from becoming President."

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« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2016, 07:19:07 pm »
Never before in American history have intellectual and political leaders of a major party deliberately attempted to open the gates of enduring power to an enemy sworn to their eradication 

Get it, nevertrumps?

I think so.  Trump promised to destroy the establishment he funded with his donations, and the GOPe gave him a big hug and opened up their coffers to pay for his campaign...so that makes the Trump candidacy the biggest lie in American history.  I can't disagree with that.

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Re: NeverTrumps and the End of America as We Know It
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2016, 07:22:15 pm »
The correct language would be "you're not helping to stop Hillary from becoming President."

She's not getting my vote.  And neither is Trump.  So by your logic I guess I'm not voting to stop him, either.

I don't see why folks get so upset about me refusing to vote for either charlatan.  Is it because of their own lack of principle at a time when their principles could have made a difference?