The Moral Cowardice of the NeverTrumpumpkins

[Fantom]

Yeah........ their hatred for Cruz and fixation on him is weird.  I don't get it.

The only time they talk about Hillary seems to be when they're falsely accusing US of supporting her.

It's all weird...

I expect to see Rod Serling on TV and hear the Twilight Zone theme song.......

... Picture yourself in the land of the Demented, a place where reason was eliminated for the Insanity of Deity. Where otherwise sane people have lost all control... mindlessly following...... ............ The Trump Zone........

[roamer_1]

probably is child abuse at some point.

LOL! yeah - that'd be right... Thought I'd take the easy route and build rock and timber walls... Tossin ties and 500 lb rocks around... Kept me from wearing out, I swear...

 

[musiclady]

... Picture yourself in the land of the Demented, a place where reason was eliminated for the Insanity of Deity. Where otherwise sane people have lost all control... mindlessly following...... ............ The Trump Zone........

Nice!   

[skeeter]

Except the Dem base wanted Bernie Sanders, but they're quickly lining up behind Hillary Clinton nonetheless. The Republicans on the other hand can't agree on anything, which is par for the course. Still, to suggest that the base didn't nominate Trump is not consistent with reality. Reality is, Trump won with evangelicals, he won the South, and he won rural Appalachia - these groups are the base, and are consistently conservative. You can't get everything you want in a Presidential candidate, but if you choose to not participate or vote third party, you'll get absolutely nothing.

If Hillary weren't the queen of corruption, or were more moderate like she used to be, I could understand abstention.

Hillary was smart enough not to threaten to primary Sanders and alienate his supporters.

Trump was really, really dumb. Just maybe he's the author of his own popularity problems.

[HonestJohn]

Hillary was smart enough not to threaten to primary Sanders and alienate his supporters.

Trump was really, really dumb. Just maybe he's the author of his own popularity problems.

Yep.  Hillary began to pander to his supporters in  the primary.  And when the primaries where over, she didn't stop.  She gave significant control over the Democrat party platform to Bernie in hopes of further cementing his supporters into her general election strategy.

That curried enough favor with Bernie to get his endorsement.

And all that is simple politics.

Which was too much for Trump's YUUUGE (TM) brain.

[Dirt for sale]

If Trump/Clinton gets in the outcome will be the same.  Those who vote for Trump/Clinton ARE responsible and no one else!

This is the reality check i was looking for.   
Clinton will win without a shadow of doubt, but Trump's biggest difference with hillary is that he is a male. Otherwise they are bosom buddies and practically twins, standing proud for globalism (world communism).
The double think necessary to support the wolf in sheep's clothing would cause a hemmorage in the brain of a thinking person. Idiots have it easy.
At this late stage of the game, your vote serves to legitimize the con game for four more years, and in a legalistic sense you sign off on whatever they may decide to do once in office (never mind what they say).

[RoosGirl]

Variation on the old I'm not racist, why some of my best friends are x.

Heard

[JustPassinThru]

Fanaticism is never pretty.  No matter the side or the person.

First we had a whole bunch of psychologically-needy people form a cult around a VERY flawed candidate - a political operative and supposed "developer" with no dirt on his hands but a full-and-fast Rolodex.  Huge amount of money and no demonstration how or why.  But his was classic Eric Hoffer - the Angry Gesture; the raised middle finger.

Okay, that's different.  But we saw HOW different when he showed he didn't understand where stand-up ended and slander began.  Or that a run for political office is not a popularity contest; that somewhere along the way, you have to take positions and communicate them.

Didn't matter.  The cultists had their Golden Calf.  And they pushed him forward and cheered, in some cases helped, the stalking-horse gin the vote tally.  And every time the Orange Julius did NOT get his way, we got a tantrum that would make Barry Dunham-Soetoro blush.

They got their way.  With a very loud, very uncouth, rich-from-graft-kickbacks CIPHER.  Stands for NOTHING.

And now for this, we have to endure the threats and the shaming, the claimed moral high ground, by these worshippers of the Golden Calf.  The same supposed Conservatives who were offered a near-ideal candidate, with several strong-but-lesser choices...now THEY try to shame OTHERS into this.

No.  It's the CANDIDATE'S JOB to sell his program.  And this candidate isn't going to be able to sell Smoot-Hawley to informed voters.  He's not going to be able to sell Porkulus II, the MOAR MONEY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE plan, to those of us who remember past last week.  He's not going to get my vote with another round of beating up his strawman, his Emmanuel Goldstein, Cruz.

He has to work for it.  Work HARD; because the nation is in only slightly-less destructive hands should he win.

You trumpies want to talk about MORAL?  The MORAL thing to do would be to demand this slimy loud Tammany errand-boy to STEP DOWN.  No, not some cute "replacement" plan that puts Shrub in there.  Get God the Donald to do it himself.  Step down and let Pence run with it.

Last exit off.  If you don't do it, don't demand it...the coming wreck is on YOUR heads.

[Smokin Joe]

I don't see much "selling" of the candidate, I do see a lot of abusing the "irrelevant" segment of the base.  Why is that?  Why can't the Trump supporters "sell" him to me?  Are his positive attributes that rare?

Because we have already seen through the entire song and dance, and none of that bullsh*t fooled us. Their magazine is empty, they don't have a reload. I suspect Banzai charges with pointy sticks are next.

[Suppressed]

But his was classic Eric Hoffer - the Angry Gesture; the raised middle finger.

Trump's failure to woo Berniebots weakens Hoffer's view somewhat, but I think much is very applicable.

[Emjay]

I see you're still pushing that old slander, AC.  Listen up - I supported John Kasich, in large part because he was the most likely candidate to defeat Clinton,  and create the conditions to effect conservative change.   You, on the other hand, stubbornly have supported the one candidate almost certain to not only lose, but hand the whole damn federal government over to the Dems.

You reap what you sow, AC.   Stop whining over those of us who won't drink the Kool-Aid.

Exactly !!  The trumpers were dancing with delight as they managed to push their hero over the finish line.

They would not see reason, would not see their candidate for who he was and gave us the only person in the known universe who is sure to lose to Hillary.

There is not a one of the other candidates in the original 17 who could not beat Hillary.  Not one.

So, don't blame us, trumpers, the blame rests firmly upon your righteous selves.

[Smokin Joe]

Fanaticism is never pretty.  No matter the side or the person.

First we had a whole bunch of psychologically-needy people form a cult around a VERY flawed candidate - a political operative and supposed "developer" with no dirt on his hands but a full-and-fast Rolodex.  Huge amount of money and no demonstration how or why.  But his was classic Eric Hoffer - the Angry Gesture; the raised middle finger.

Okay, that's different.  But we saw HOW different when he showed he didn't understand where stand-up ended and slander began.  Or that a run for political office is not a popularity contest; that somewhere along the way, you have to take positions and communicate them.

Didn't matter.  The cultists had their Golden Calf.  And they pushed him forward and cheered, in some cases helped, the stalking-horse gin the vote tally.  And every time the Orange Julius did NOT get his way, we got a tantrum that would make Barry Dunham-Soetoro blush.

They got their way.  With a very loud, very uncouth, rich-from-graft-kickbacks CIPHER.  Stands for NOTHING.

And now for this, we have to endure the threats and the shaming, the claimed moral high ground, by these worshippers of the Golden Calf.  The same supposed Conservatives who were offered a near-ideal candidate, with several strong-but-lesser choices...now THEY try to shame OTHERS into this.

No.  It's the CANDIDATE'S JOB to sell his program.  And this candidate isn't going to be able to sell Smoot-Hawley to informed voters.  He's not going to be able to sell Porkulus II, the MOAR MONEY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE plan, to those of us who remember past last week.  He's not going to get my vote with another round of beating up his strawman, his Emmanuel Goldstein, Cruz.

He has to work for it.  Work HARD; because the nation is in only slightly-less destructive hands should he win.

You trumpies want to talk about MORAL?  The MORAL thing to do would be to demand this slimy loud Tammany errand-boy to STEP DOWN.  No, not some cute "replacement" plan that puts Shrub in there.  Get God the Donald to do it himself.  Step down and let Pence run with it.

Last exit off.  If you don't do it, don't demand it...the coming wreck is on YOUR heads.

There is no moral cowardice in going against the flow for principles. In fighting the good fight, in being unmoved despite the verbal brickbats and insinuations of everything from cowardice to treason for not supporting that which is simply wrong. Against such an assault there is no cowardice in standing your ground. Despite the accusations of cowardice, I am still here.

Which poster here who refuses to support Trump has not suffered these indignities, even threats in other venues, yet will not hold the line? If cowards be found, they will be found among those who pressed that blowhard into service out of FEAR of his inevitable opponent, who lack the moral courage to admit their mistake, who yet try to blame those of us who told them they were wrong.

Let them drink their own vitriol, or better yet turn it upon their claimed enemy, and fight the fight they have chosen rather than waste it upon us.

[CSM]

Is that how you'd have voted in the 1932... in Europe.

I suspect that it would be the same.  I used to wonder how the people allowed a Nationalist Socialist to rise to power.  We all know that leads to tyranny.....

I don't have to "wonder" anymore.

[CSM]

Unfortunately,  there are few Republicans of any stripe anymore who are willing to be budget hawks.   That's the kind of old-school conservatism that isn't in style anymore.   The only candidate this year who had a track record as a budget hawk was John Kasich, and I'm proud to say I supported him.   

Hahaha, "John Kasich is a budget hawk!"  good one!  His over stepping his Legislature to expand medicare as support of Obamacare is not what budget hawks do.  But, OH will get that "free money" from the Feds for a couple of years...and then after he leaves office, the Feds will stop that free gravy and then OH will have a financial crisis.

[chae]

Anyone saying "Vote for the lesser of two evils" needs to stop saying "God bless America."  God will never bless evil, regardless of whatever you tell yourself to justify your actions.

[Wingnut]

... Picture yourself in the land of the Demented, a place where reason was eliminated for the Insanity of Deity. Where otherwise sane people have lost all control... mindlessly following...... ............ The Trump Zone........

Clever! 

[ExFreeper]

I expect to see Rod Serling on TV and hear the Twilight Zone theme song.......

You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension - a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. You've just crossed over into the Twilight Zone!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y

[musiclady]

You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension - a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. You've just crossed over into the Twilight Zone!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y

LOL!  That's it!

And just think, now we're living it!

[Jazzhead]

Hillary was smart enough not to threaten to primary Sanders and alienate his supporters.

Trump was really, really dumb. Just maybe he's the author of his own popularity problems.

Correct.  Hillary's made moves to reconcile with her primary opponents,  Trump just doubles down on his insults and disrespect.  His latest staff shakeup is a clear repudiation of us Republicans who've urged such reconciliation,  and for him to conduct his campaign in a rational and coherent manner. 

Fear of Clinton just isn't enough to convince me and millions like me to vote for this self-centered jerk.   

[txradioguy]

Opposing fascism isn't moral cowardice; to the contrary, it's a moral imperative.

QFT

[txradioguy]

I find it quite humorous to be told I'm a "moral coward" by someone who is backing a candidate who has no morals or moral compass guiding him in the first place.

[Fantom]

Fanaticism is never pretty.  No matter the side or the person.

First we had a whole bunch of psychologically-needy people form a cult around a VERY flawed candidate - a political operative and supposed "developer" with no dirt on his hands but a full-and-fast Rolodex.  Huge amount of money and no demonstration how or why.  But his was classic Eric Hoffer - the Angry Gesture; the raised middle finger.

Okay, that's different.  But we saw HOW different when he showed he didn't understand where stand-up ended and slander began.  Or that a run for political office is not a popularity contest; that somewhere along the way, you have to take positions and communicate them.

Didn't matter.  The cultists had their Golden Calf.  And they pushed him forward and cheered, in some cases helped, the stalking-horse gin the vote tally.  And every time the Orange Julius did NOT get his way, we got a tantrum that would make Barry Dunham-Soetoro blush.

They got their way.  With a very loud, very uncouth, rich-from-graft-kickbacks CIPHER.  Stands for NOTHING.

And now for this, we have to endure the threats and the shaming, the claimed moral high ground, by these worshippers of the Golden Calf.  The same supposed Conservatives who were offered a near-ideal candidate, with several strong-but-lesser choices...now THEY try to shame OTHERS into this.

No.  It's the CANDIDATE'S JOB to sell his program.  And this candidate isn't going to be able to sell Smoot-Hawley to informed voters.  He's not going to be able to sell Porkulus II, the MOAR MONEY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE plan, to those of us who remember past last week.  He's not going to get my vote with another round of beating up his strawman, his Emmanuel Goldstein, Cruz.

He has to work for it.  Work HARD; because the nation is in only slightly-less destructive hands should he win.

You trumpies want to talk about MORAL?  The MORAL thing to do would be to demand this slimy loud Tammany errand-boy to STEP DOWN.  No, not some cute "replacement" plan that puts Shrub in there.  Get God the Donald to do it himself.  Step down and let Pence run with it.

Last exit off.  If you don't do it, don't demand it...the coming wreck is on YOUR heads.

Well said...well said.

[EasyAce]

Yeah........ their hatred for Cruz and fixation on him is weird.  I don't get it.

The only time they talk about Hillary seems to be when they're falsely accusing US of supporting her.

It's all weird...

I expect to see Rod Serling on TV and hear the Twilight Zone theme song.......

Serling, Schmerling, I was expecting . . .

The Outer Limits

[kartographer]

Considering the freaks running I was think more of:

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[Smokin Joe]

Considering the freaks running I was think more of:

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Pretty close...

(I loved that show)