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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #175 on: July 17, 2016, 11:06:15 pm »
Quote from: RetBobbyMI on July 17, 2016, 10:53:49 pm
I fear the same thing from the Convention of the States.  Although the intent is well founded, it will be the same political insiders who run the various states 2 major parties (although not the elected federal hacks) that are delegates, making sure that they keep their ruling elite class as power brokers.  Either a newcomer (3rd party) has to show some real intrusion into the two party system, or a revolution could very well force change. I don't advocate the later, but it could happen.

Maybe an Article V convention wouldn't rein in the feral government.  But maybe it would.  It's never been tried before, and if it didn't work the possibility of a civil war would still be there.  So why shouldn't we try it?  Nothing is ever guaranteed going in, but if you don't try you lose by default.
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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #176 on: July 17, 2016, 11:14:31 pm »
Quote from: Doug Loss on July 17, 2016, 11:06:15 pm
Maybe an Article V convention wouldn't rein in the feral government.  But maybe it would.  It's never been tried before, and if it didn't work the possibility of a civil war would still be there.  So why shouldn't we try it?  Nothing is ever guaranteed going in, but if you don't try you lose by default.

Oh, I'm not opposed to the COS.  In fact I've signed their petition. http://www.conventionofstates.com

My only concern is who our states send as delegates.  If the entrenched state political leaders (i.e., party leaders), then we may not get what we, the people, should get.
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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #177 on: July 17, 2016, 11:33:24 pm »
Quote from: Doug Loss on July 17, 2016, 10:43:13 pm
The only hope we have of changing that other than an actual civil war is an Article V convention.  If you're not pushing for that (not you specifically, but "you" in general), you're either accepting of the situation as it stands or have given up.

I'm all for Article V for the sole purpose of demonstrating that every attempt had been made to avert what is inevitable and justifying the course of action that will be absolutely necessary if enough of us want to remain free and preserve the liberty intended for us.

I'm under absolutely no illusion that Article V will fail and be as useless as expecting the GOP to be a check and balance on unConstitutional acts from the Executive and Judiciary.  The reason I assert that Article V will fail to return power to where it belongs, is because you cannot impose the rule of law on the lawless without the use and threat of force.  The Lawless will circumvent, ignore or make their own laws to nullify whatever the people and the States decided.  Notwithstanding the fact that the majority of the population WANTS National Socialism and big giant government and that those who would want what we want are being replaced by foreign constituency.

Article V will simply be our cassus belli to do what must be done and ultimately a Declaration of Independence from the Tyranny of the State now ruling us.
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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #178 on: July 18, 2016, 12:13:50 am »
Quote from: musiclady on July 17, 2016, 10:47:25 pm
You haven't seen posters saying that the new members are ruining the site?  That all was rosy before they got here? 

It's said repeatedly by several members.

Yeah I've seen a couple of comments, just as I've seen some of the #nevertrump group inviting some old members to leave.  But that's a far cry from the charge of a covert effort to run off the new members.  How are half a dozen long-term Pro-Trump members going to run off a couple of hundred sans support from management?   Some things just don't pass the laugh test.
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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #179 on: July 18, 2016, 12:26:11 am »
Amazing. Unlike most other presidential candidates, Trump hasn't read a single presidential biography:

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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #180 on: July 18, 2016, 12:54:37 am »
Quote from: INVAR on July 17, 2016, 11:33:24 pm
I'm all for Article V for the sole purpose of demonstrating that every attempt had been made to avert what is inevitable and justifying the course of action that will be absolutely necessary if enough of us want to remain free and preserve the liberty intended for us.

I'm under absolutely no illusion that Article V will fail and be as useless as expecting the GOP to be a check and balance on unConstitutional acts from the Executive and Judiciary.  The reason I assert that Article V will fail to return power to where it belongs, is because you cannot impose the rule of law on the lawless without the use and threat of force.  The Lawless will circumvent, ignore or make their own laws to nullify whatever the people and the States decided.  Notwithstanding the fact that the majority of the population WANTS National Socialism and big giant government and that those who would want what we want are being replaced by foreign constituency.

Article V will simply be our cassus belli to do what must be done and ultimately a Declaration of Independence from the Tyranny of the State now ruling us.

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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #181 on: July 18, 2016, 01:01:22 am »
Quote from: INVAR on July 17, 2016, 11:33:24 pm
I'm all for Article V for the sole purpose of demonstrating that every attempt had been made to avert what is inevitable and justifying the course of action that will be absolutely necessary if enough of us want to remain free and preserve the liberty intended for us.

I'm under absolutely no illusion that Article V will fail and be as useless as expecting the GOP to be a check and balance on unConstitutional acts from the Executive and Judiciary.  The reason I assert that Article V will fail to return power to where it belongs, is because you cannot impose the rule of law on the lawless without the use and threat of force.  The Lawless will circumvent, ignore or make their own laws to nullify whatever the people and the States decided.  Notwithstanding the fact that the majority of the population WANTS National Socialism and big giant government and that those who would want what we want are being replaced by foreign constituency.

Article V will simply be our cassus belli to do what must be done and ultimately a Declaration of Independence from the Tyranny of the State now ruling us.
I think you have nailed it.
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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #182 on: July 18, 2016, 01:52:46 am »
Quote from: INVAR on July 17, 2016, 11:33:24 pm
I'm all for Article V for the sole purpose of demonstrating that every attempt had been made to avert what is inevitable and justifying the course of action that will be absolutely necessary if enough of us want to remain free and preserve the liberty intended for us.

I'm under absolutely no illusion that Article V will fail and be as useless as expecting the GOP to be a check and balance on unConstitutional acts from the Executive and Judiciary.  The reason I assert that Article V will fail to return power to where it belongs, is because you cannot impose the rule of law on the lawless without the use and threat of force.  The Lawless will circumvent, ignore or make their own laws to nullify whatever the people and the States decided.  Notwithstanding the fact that the majority of the population WANTS National Socialism and big giant government and that those who would want what we want are being replaced by foreign constituency.

Article V will simply be our cassus belli to do what must be done and ultimately a Declaration of Independence from the Tyranny of the State now ruling us.

At one point in time I saw a Convention of States as an option, however I now believe that that window of opportunity may be gone.  I am not confident that a return of power to the states would occur and perhaps the opposite would be imposed -- that has always been the risk, however that risk seems much greater now. There is unequivocally, absolutely no doubt that the GOP has been hijacked as evidenced by what took place during the primary and recently during the RNC rules committee meeting. We have a few left in Congress fighting to keep this country together by a very, very thin thread; unfortunately they aren't even being recognized,  or acknowledged, so at this point I am finding it very difficult to see anything positive on the horizon.

 
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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #183 on: July 18, 2016, 02:41:54 am »
Quote from: libertybele on July 18, 2016, 01:52:46 am
At one point in time I saw a Convention of States as an option, however I now believe that that window of opportunity may be gone.  I am not confident that a return of power to the states would occur and perhaps the opposite would be imposed -- that has always been the risk, however that risk seems much greater now. There is unequivocally, absolutely no doubt that the GOP has been hijacked as evidenced by what took place during the primary and recently during the RNC rules committee meeting. We have a few left in Congress fighting to keep this country together by a very, very thin thread; unfortunately they aren't even being recognized,  or acknowledged, so at this point I am finding it very difficult to see anything positive on the horizon.
 

The erosion of confidence that something could change either within the GOP or by a COS is caused by the very people that profess to make change do nothing or cling on to the lifeless GOP. Cruz, Lee, et al, cling on to the GOP for whatever reason and yet get stabbed in the back. I wonder how long it will take for them to realize their futility of riding that whale.
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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #184 on: July 18, 2016, 02:49:00 am »
Quote from: RetBobbyMI on July 18, 2016, 02:41:54 am
The erosion of confidence that something could change either within the GOP or by a COS is caused by the very people that profess to make change do nothing or cling on to the lifeless GOP. Cruz, Lee, et al, cling on to the GOP for whatever reason and yet get stabbed in the back. I wonder how long it will take for them to realize their futility of riding that whale.

I believe those like Cruz and Lee thought it was possible to make change through their efforts from within the party.  I would venture to say that "they" are rethinking things right now.  It's over.
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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #185 on: July 18, 2016, 03:34:02 am »
Quote from: RetBobbyMI on July 18, 2016, 02:41:54 am
The erosion of confidence that something could change either within the GOP or by a COS is caused by the very people that profess to make change do nothing or cling on to the lifeless GOP. Cruz, Lee, et al, cling on to the GOP for whatever reason and yet get stabbed in the back. I wonder how long it will take for them to realize their futility of riding that whale.

Normalcy Bias. Most folks refuse to see it because to acknowledge the reality we find ourselves in it too great for them to handle, or they think they can skate on through it without much trouble to them and theirs.

I think a lot of reps either see or are being told where the power is going to lie, and they will do anything to share in it or hide behind it to benefit themselves.
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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #186 on: July 18, 2016, 04:01:48 am »
Quote from: libertybele on July 18, 2016, 02:49:00 am
I believe those like Cruz and Lee thought it was possible to make change through their efforts from within the party.  I would venture to say that "they" are rethinking things right now.  It's over.
Since Cruz is a convention speaker in Prime Time on Wednesday evening, right before Eric Trump, Gingrich and Pence, it will be interesting if he endorses Trump at all. If he does, I'm guessing he will loose voters over principles. If he hold to form and calls out the GOP for what it is and ends with an announcement he is bolting from the GOP, he would send shockwaves.
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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #187 on: July 18, 2016, 04:05:23 am »
Quote from: RetBobbyMI on July 18, 2016, 04:01:48 am
Since Cruz is a convention speaker in Prime Time on Wednesday evening, right before Eric Trump, Gingrich and Pence, it will be interesting if he endorses Trump at all. If he does, I'm guessing he will loose voters over principles. If he hold to form and calls out the GOP for what it is and ends with an announcement he is bolting from the GOP, he would send shockwaves.

Good shockwaves.
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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #188 on: July 18, 2016, 12:03:01 pm »
Quote from: RetBobbyMI on July 18, 2016, 04:01:48 am
Since Cruz is a convention speaker in Prime Time on Wednesday evening, right before Eric Trump, Gingrich and Pence, it will be interesting if he endorses Trump at all. If he does, I'm guessing he will loose voters over principles. If he hold to form and calls out the GOP for what it is and ends with an announcement he is bolting from the GOP, he would send shockwaves.

Fat chance.
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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #189 on: July 18, 2016, 01:21:21 pm »
Quote from: sinkspur on July 18, 2016, 12:26:11 am
Amazing. Unlike most other presidential candidates, Trump hasn't read a single presidential biography:



As hard as it is for Trump to speak in complete sentences, it is apparently equally hard for him for him to read them also.
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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #190 on: July 18, 2016, 01:34:14 pm »
Quote from: RetBobbyMI on July 18, 2016, 04:01:48 am
Since Cruz is a convention speaker in Prime Time on Wednesday evening, right before Eric Trump, Gingrich and Pence, it will be interesting if he endorses Trump at all. If he does, I'm guessing he will loose voters over principles. If he hold to form and calls out the GOP for what it is and ends with an announcement he is bolting from the GOP, he would send shockwaves.

That Cruz has to precede Eric the moronic mouth breather is nausiating. Everything that oozes out of his pie hole is an embarrassment to every Constitution based freedom lover. Pathetic.
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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #191 on: July 18, 2016, 02:00:10 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on July 17, 2016, 08:05:18 pm
Sounds to like to me that some folks liked it better here when their fluffy platitudes werent challenged and they felt like the smartest people on the block just by repeating what Donny tweeted out.

I don't think that's fair. I'm a n00b, but I also feel like this site is as much anti-Trump as it is pro-Trump. Maybe even more anti-Trump when you factor in the influx of anti-Trump n00bs.
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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #192 on: July 18, 2016, 02:03:05 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on July 17, 2016, 08:05:18 pm
Sounds to like to me that some folks liked it better here when their fluffy platitudes werent challenged and they felt like the smartest people on the block just by repeating what Donny tweeted out.

Naw, that really didn't happen.  There has always been challenges and challengers.  Just another case of nostalgia ain't what it used to be.
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« Reply #193 on: July 18, 2016, 02:03:27 pm »
Quote from: RAT Patrol on July 18, 2016, 04:12:39 am
Great shockwaves.    So great, you won't even believe it.  I promise you.  Trust me.  They will be the greatest shockwaves ever.

Sadly, I do not believe this will happen even though we've seen Cruz do some amazingly principled things in the past.

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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #194 on: July 18, 2016, 02:04:32 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on July 18, 2016, 01:21:21 pm
As hard as it is for Trump to speak in complete sentences, it is apparently equally hard for him for him to read them also.

Why am I not surprised that Donald Trump doesn't read.

The fact that he doesn't know anything is proof positive.


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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #195 on: July 18, 2016, 02:09:34 pm »
Quote from: musiclady on July 18, 2016, 02:04:32 pm
Why am I not surprised that Donald Trump doesn't read.

The fact that he doesn't know anything is proof positive.


May God have mercy on what was once America.........

The sad thing is that Roman P. Trump doesn't know what he doesn't know and refuses to have anyone around him who will tell him so.
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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #196 on: July 18, 2016, 02:13:01 pm »
Quote from: musiclady on July 18, 2016, 02:04:32 pm
Why am I not surprised that Donald Trump doesn't read.

The fact that he doesn't know anything is proof positive.

Well, he has people for that. Which begs the question of who will be advising him on policy. We know he allegedly isn't owned by the usual suspects, so who is the kingmaker here? Who is pulling his strings (He isn't that rich, he's heavily leveraged, and he has a lot to lose...)
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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #197 on: July 18, 2016, 02:35:28 pm »
Quote from: Gov Bean Counter on July 18, 2016, 02:09:34 pm
The sad thing is that Roman P. Trump doesn't know what he doesn't know and refuses to have anyone around him who will tell him so.

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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #198 on: July 18, 2016, 02:41:32 pm »
Quote from: bolobaby on July 18, 2016, 02:00:10 pm
I don't think that's fair. I'm a n00b, but I also feel like this site is as much anti-Trump as it is pro-Trump. Maybe even more anti-Trump when you factor in the influx of anti-Trump n00bs.
It can't be helped that the majority of posters here are not Trump fans. At the very beginning of the campaign season, each GOP candidate had his/her adherents here.

 The difference between TBR and a site like FR is that disagreement with the majority viewpoint isn't forbidden.
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Re: #NeverTrump Delegate Rebels ‘Defeated’ at the RNC Rules Committee
« Reply #199 on: July 18, 2016, 02:49:14 pm »
Quote from: mountaineer on July 18, 2016, 02:41:32 pm
It can't be helped that the majority of posters here are not Trump fans. At the very beginning of the campaign season, each GOP candidate had his/her adherents here.

 The difference between TBR and a site like FR is that disagreement with the majority viewpoint isn't forbidden.

Disagreement may not be forbidden...but certain ideas and expressions are.
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