Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate

[Mesaclone]

@Mesaclone

No, he did not seek a global government. He sought total German domination, but had little to no interest in huge portions of the planet...in fact, he didn't even want unified governance of Europe, one reason he put the Vichy government in place after conquering France. The fact that you view my comment as a sign of ignorance makes me frightened for the next generation...of which I assume you are a member.

So please cite for us where Hitler advocated for one world government. Vielen Danke!

[Mesaclone]

We're not Alinskyite Marxists.  Well, you must have stayed at a Holiday Inn last night as you're doing a good impersonation..  We're Constitutional Patriots As is Mr. Trump and those of us supporting him.who recognize that Trump has no regard for the Constitution That's the differenceYou aren't recognizing it, you're imagining it.  and see your prince and the mob he has incited as far more dangerous than Hillary.  We intend to do everything we can to support and vote for an actual Conservative from a third party on the top of the ticket in November.  Your party is as good as dead to us.Uber Drama Queen stuff...are you sure you're not a teenage girl?

What do you intend to do about it?What the rest of the country will do, let you happily coexist in marginalization.

 
Well, Obama insists there is no threat from Islam either, so either you see a threat for what it is, or you crawl into your Normalcy Bias.This has nothing to do with this discussion...particularly since there is no more staunch opponents of Islamism than Mr. Trump and his supporters.

You don't recognize Trump as being a lifelong liberal Leftist who funded and supported the Clintons and Communist Bill DeBlasio either, so clearly nobody should listen to you about what Fascism is, because you cannot even recognize Trump for what he is.You conflate two separate arguments, pretending one supports the other. It doesn't, you are simply incorrect on both. Trump in the past had some liberal and moderate positions, positions he has disavowed as he has come to see the wisdom of conservatism. As for fascism, you make it clearer that you don't really get what it is...outside of a 6th grade basic definition.

Fascism was designed as a third way between laissez-faire/crony capitalism and communism. Mussolini acknowledged the roles of private property and the profit motive as legitimate incentives for productivity—provided that they did not conflict with the interests of the state. If they were seen as necessary for the good of the state - Mussolini simply took them over while offering a pittance in compensation.  Eminent domain anyone? A childish comparison, as this nation has always practiced eminent domain...because it goes back to old English law. Mr. Trump's advocacy for the government's occasional use of eminent domain is highly consistent with our nation's historical use of it.

You are an historical ignoramus. FYI, my Masters is in History...nice try though.

Trump's domestic Nationalist protectionism plans are nearly identical to Mussolini's and borrowed almost in their entirety from Hillary and Bernie Sanders, who rolled out their plans before Trump announced his. Really, present both plans for us and show us exactly how they are parallel...or perhaps you're just repeating Glenn Beck talking points...rrriiigghht?

Mussolini's efforts to increase the productivity and self-sufficiency of Italy began in 1921 with a series of protective and punitive tariffs levied on all foreign imports to lower competition and bring jobs to Italian industry.  Sound familiar?  No, it doesn't. Trump is trying to attain free trade in which foreign markets are open to US manufacturing and retail in the same way our markets are open to them...that's Fair Trade, not a regimen of tariffs. For the record, even great president's like Abe Lincoln have used tariffs to advance the economy...so I guess he was a Mussolini as well, right? Mussolini created the 'corporate state', where the merging of business and government was done in a charter group of 22 massive corporations all run by government oversight with each field of industry that did not permit any business function to operate outside Italy in the name of making the State completely self-sufficient.  In short, Mussolini wanted to make sure that Italian companies made 'their damn products here" and used punitive measures to prohibit trade he did not approve of. What you're giving is a Wikipedia version of the rise of Mussolini...its embarrassingly shallowly and bears no resemblance WHATSOEVER to anything in modern US politics.

Mussolini was a blowhard and demonized anyone and anything he saw as not giving him the deference of due he believed he was entitled.  He used the media as a weapon, demonizing his enemies and promoting his own interest in a very public show and display that captivated masses and created his own propaganda reality. Sounds a lot like Hillary Clinton or Ted Cruz...interesting. Or just a pile of subjective baloney making a simpleton's comparison between Mussolini and the modern GOP nominee

I say both Trump and Mussolini have a whole lot of ideas in common.You can say it, but its simply not true.

I've seen fascism...and fought against it, as Saddam was a classic fascist dictator. So I know something of what it looks like and how it impacts people living under it. If you think anything you're seeing now has even a remote resemblance to fascism, you are living in a world of your own making. Its an absurd comparison, and holding to it simply makes you seem ridiculous.

[sneakypete]

Mussolini was a blowhard and demonized anyone and anything he saw as not giving him the deference of due he believed he was entitled.  He used the media as a weapon, demonizing his enemies and promoting his own interest in a very public show and display that captivated masses and created his own propaganda reality.

I say both Trump and Mussolini have a whole lot of ideas in common.

@INVAR

The primary difference between Mussolini and Trump is that Mussolini was more modest.

[Mesaclone]

@INVAR

The primary difference between Mussolini and Trump is that Mussolini was more modest.

The primary difference between believing something that absurd and knowing its utterly false, is a little thing called education.

[sneakypete]

The primary difference between believing something that absurd and knowing its utterly false, is a little thing called education.

Maybe you should have gotten a larger education instead? Clearly the one you got had severe limitations.

[INVAR]

I've seen fascism...and fought against it,

I don't believe that for a moment or anything else you wrote for a nano-second.  You're a proven liar and spin master who sits on every side of an argument erroneously thinking you score imaginary points.  You are nothing what you pass yourself off to be.

I think you're nothing but a paid shill for the Trump campaign or you have a major man crush and tingle up your leg for him.

[R4 TrumPence]

I don't believe that for a moment or anything else you wrote for a nano-second.  You're a proven liar

I think you're nothing but a paid shill for the Trump campaign or you have a major man crush and tingle up your leg for him.

He is not lying and he is not a paid shill!
I am asking you nicely to stop saying that.
Thanks!

[Hoodat]

I've seen fascism...and fought against it

How do you reconcile that with your support of one now?

[Mesaclone]

How do you reconcile that with your support of one now?

As I said, I've seen fascism and know what it is. You, obviously, have not or you wouldn't ask such a dimwitted question.

[Mesaclone]

I don't believe that for a moment or anything else you wrote for a nano-second.  You're a proven liar and spin master who sits on every side of an argument erroneously thinking you score imaginary points.  You are nothing what you pass yourself off to be.

I think you're nothing but a paid shill for the Trump campaign or you have a major man crush and tingle up your leg for him.

I can prove my background if needed. How's about we place a 1000 dollar bet and the loser sends the money to the website Admin. They can then donate it to the political candidate of their choice. Deal? Or are you just blowing hot air as usual? You want to call someone a liar...and I've never once lied on this site...so you need to back it up. We'll see who the real liar is...and who the real coward is.

[Hoodat]

As I said, I've seen fascism and know what it is. You, obviously, have not or you wouldn't ask such a dimwitted question.

Overt nationalism?  Pretense of private property ownership?  Big government solving problems as long as the right person is doing it?  Scapegoating opposition?  Capitalism under confinement?  All that is Trump.  As someone claiming to have seen fascism, you seem totally unaware of what it actually is.

[sneakypete]

As I said, I've seen fascism and know what it is. You, obviously, have not or you wouldn't ask such a dimwitted question.

You obviously don't have the first clue as to what fascism is,or you wouldn't be exposing your ignorance like this.

@Mesaclone

[Mechanicos]

Kendal Casey Unruh
7 hrs ·
Finally I have a minute to give an update. Be of good cheer, this battle has just started. Despite the thousands of emails that patriotic Americans lobbied the rules committee with, Trump refused to even allow debate and the conscience clause died. I tried to follow the rules and the decorum of the process. But the rules committee is 100% irrelevant to the binding movement. I have until Monday to collect signatures for a minority report. Nothing has changed in our planning phase to unbind the delegates. This now moves from a free the delegates phase to a "delegates unbound" phase. Because even though they put every binding rule they could in the rules, it means one thing, they know we have the numbers to unbind. NOW it is in the hands of all of you to exercise your God given right to conscience. A reporter asked "Why do you seem so upbeat after your defeat? " And I responded, "It's not a defeat. It's the starting line. Now the delegates themselves will have to take the baton." God is always in control. Don't stop praying.

She omits material facts. There was a vote an a related amendment just before this vote. The one to clarify the binding and was the exact opposite of the unbinding vote. The Cheap Labor crowd could only muster 25 votes in opposition to it - the Yang to the Yin of the unbinding amendment - not enough for a minority report. This told all involved the unbinding amendment would fail and not have enough votes to generate a minority report. Against that massive defeat showing only 25 delegates were on the Cheap Labor side the unbinding vote occurred.

The fact she omitted that they never had 28 delegate as seen by the prior binding vote tells you shes not being honest. This is why the unbinding vote was only 12, the writing was already on the wall before the vote was taken.

[jmyrlefuller]

He is not lying and he is not a paid shill!
I am asking you nicely to stop saying that.
Thanks!

How do you know that? Or are you simply lying?

You can KMA goodbye.

[Lando Lincoln]

How do you know that? Or are you simply lying?

You can KMA goodbye.

Myrle, I understand the impulse but hang in there. These tensions will ultimately dissipate.

[Jazzhead]

@Repub4Trump @mystery-ak

I wish the Moderators would simply start Zotting the #NeverTrump Constitutionalists, and stop the farce about even administration. 

There are different rules for Trump supporters on TBR.  They can lie, cheat, steal, insult, and it's all cool.  Right?

But don't sweat it, there are a heck of a lot more of us here on the side of the angels.  Myself, I'm only bothered by criticism from folks I respect.   Lies,  cheating, insults -  these are the stock in trade of Trump himself,  that's why some call his followers minions.   But it's really the behavior of any crowd or mob - the leader sets the tone.

And Trump sets the tone of a wiseguy.

[L9teen]

Here's how delusional some are....notice the website it's from.  Talk about spin.
http://spinzon.com/trump-will-win-blowout/

[Mod1]

All:  please be advised that calling another poster a liar, or stupid, or insane, or a fascist, or a Hillary supporter is considered a personal attack. Repeated violations of this forum's rule against personal attacks may result in suspension - or more.

Please focus on the issues and on the candidates - not on other members of this forum. Please behave like reasonable adults.

[INVAR]

All:  please be advised that calling another poster a liar, or stupid, or insane, or a fascist, or a Hillary supporter is considered a personal attack. Repeated violations of this forum's rule against personal attacks may result in suspension - or more.

Please focus on the issues and on the candidates - not on other members of this forum. Please behave like reasonable adults.

Mod 3: off topic comment removed.

[Mesaclone]

How do you know that? Or are you simply lying?

You can KMA goodbye.

The complete subjectivity of Invar's post above...which he's now erased for a sarcastic comment aimed at the mod....borders on the absurd. The few of us here who are Trump supporters are under consistent and steady...and often personal...attack from the Nevertrump crew. You've impugned the service of veterans like myself, called us liars, fascists and brown shirts repeatedly with no backing but your opinion, and generally lowered discourse to the "If I am then so are you" level. And yes, that is MY subjective view but most likely shared by the other pro-Trump members you love to go after at the personal level.

Finally....

Why would the owner of the site lie to you, Jimmy?

Still waiting on Invar to take my bet....guessing I'll be waiting a very long time. Typical to slither off when faced with backing up his statements. For my part, I'd be glad to provide my DD214 to one of the board owners to prove my truth.

[Mod1]

Still waiting on Invar to take my bet....guessing I'll be waiting a very long time.

Or how about just moving on. Everyone here has been asked not to insult other posters. If it happens, file a mod report.

[Cyber Liberty]

Myrle, I understand the impulse but hang in there. These tensions will ultimately dissipate.

I predict that will come true in a week or two.  @jmyrlefuller , please hang in there.

[Mesaclone]

Or how about just moving on. Everyone here has been asked not to insult other posters. If it happens, file a mod report.

Fair enough.

[Mod1]

Even the best posters can get a little upset when it comes to politics, especially when other folks just don't want to see things the same way. Let's just remember not to make it personal, that's all. We mods appreciate your support.

[Lando Lincoln]

Even the best posters can get a little upset when it comes to politics, especially when other folks just don't want to see things the same way. Let's just remember not to make it personal, that's all. We mods appreciate your support.

Thank you.