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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #175 on: July 15, 2016, 05:24:24 pm »
Because "the full electorate" is often a mob, and the delegates are supposed to be a protection against same.  Same reason why the US was founded as a Republic, not a Democracy.

But the mob has prevailed and picked the worst GOP candidate I've ever seen.

Got it. You and blue bloods like Bill Kristol know better than the rest of us unwashed mediocre plebes.
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #176 on: July 15, 2016, 05:29:11 pm »
Got it. You and blue bloods like Bill Kristol know better than the rest of us unwashed mediocre plebes.

And you have the gall to whinge abput name calling?  :nono:
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #177 on: July 15, 2016, 05:30:07 pm »
The populist backers of Trump look at him as the best way to extract revenge on thr left for everything the Liberals have done for a generation. They look at him as a one shot one kill panacea for everything wrong with the country.

Revenge as a motivational factor for deciding who you support for President always ends badly for those that have pinned their hopes on said candidate.
Actually, the number of generations varies, but can easily be stretched back four.

Their revenge is a fit of anger.  Angry people make mistakes, sometimes very serious ones. That's why vengeance is a dish best served cold. But vengeance isn't my job. Romans 12:19"Vengeance is mine, I will repay, saith the Lord."

I have found Him to be far more creative than I can be.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #178 on: July 15, 2016, 05:37:35 pm »
Got it. You and blue bloods like Bill Kristol know better than the rest of us unwashed mediocre plebes.
How silly. Our government was not made a Democracy on purpose. The 17th Amendment removed a layer of the safeguards against the popular vote looting the treasuries on behalf of the masses, and you can see where that has taken us. This is a Republic, hard won, carefully founded to stave off the foibles of human nature--otherwise, it would not have lasted this long.

Throwing that away by vesting in one person or the multitude the sort of power that should never be wielded without balancing constraint is folly, and would only be a guarantee that any return to the principles which the founders envisioned would be made while wading in the blood of tyrants and patriots alike.

Why not instead fight for a return to the Constitutionally constrained Federal Government, the return of power to the States and the People that should never have been usurped, and the stripping from existence of myriad agencies which have taken on the role of legislator, judge, and jury as well.

Considering the first duty of a Federal Government named was "to provide for the Common Defense" maybe getting back to that should be the aim.
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #179 on: July 15, 2016, 05:44:55 pm »
I supported John Kasich - in large part because he had the demonstrated ability to defeat Clinton.   Don't you dare suggest I haven't done my part.

The priority now must be the defeat of the unprincipled, unmoored and amoral Donald Trump.   And it is the fault of you and your ilk that it has come to this.

Unlike Woody,  I don't have a guitar, only a voice to speak out with.  But on my keyboard is affixed the same message -  "This Machine Kills Fascists".       

We are now officially a One Party Nation. Despite the delusions of the Trump groupies,he is a narcissistic sociopath just like Hillary,as well as a life-long NYC fascist,just like Hillary.

This election is the official end of our Republic. It might not end right away,but future historians will mark 2017 as the year America died.

Regardless of which fascist wins,America loses.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #180 on: July 15, 2016, 05:45:46 pm »
I make 50K a year as a soldier in the Army...can one of these Trump supporters explain to me how I'm I'm a "blue blood elitist"?
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #181 on: July 15, 2016, 05:48:26 pm »
I'm still pretty convinced that he's going to defeat himself.

I think so too. He'll take the whole GOP down with him.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #182 on: July 15, 2016, 05:48:59 pm »
Trump's support is not increasing.  Those abandoning Hillary and not voting for Trump are causing the shift in polls.  Trump is stuck in the high 30s, low 40s.

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She will probably still win. Not because she is popular and people wanted her,but because Trump was the only candidate she could have beaten.

I am betting that one other thing future historians will write about are the payoffs to Trump for running against her that he will get after she is sworn in.
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #183 on: July 15, 2016, 05:51:00 pm »
I make 50K a year as a soldier in the Army...can one of these Trump supporters explain to me how I'm I'm a "blue blood elitist"?

I doubt it, but they sure sometimes seem to sound like the GOPe 'get in line' crowd I remember with Romney, McCain, Bush, Dole, Bush, Ford and so on.
The Republic is lost.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #184 on: July 15, 2016, 05:52:20 pm »
The populist backers of Trump look at him as the best way to extract revenge on the left for everything the Liberals have done for a generation.

The problem is Trump is the left and so far they have only been attacking conservatives.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #185 on: July 15, 2016, 05:53:09 pm »
That's correct.....all they're doing is taking time away from the real issue of defeating the Clintons and Demorat Machinery from taking this country down further.......



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Trump IS "the Clintons and Demorat Machinery".  You can't see it because you are in love with your party games and the false concept of "winning".

Guess what,Jews,Gypsies,communists,retarded people,common criminals,and other "undesirables" also got at least ONE free train ride in Nazi Germany,and they probably thought they were winners,too.
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #186 on: July 15, 2016, 05:54:23 pm »
I doubt it, but they sure sometimes seem to sound like the GOPe 'get in line' crowd I remember with Romney, McCain, Bush, Dole, Bush, Ford and so on.

I do indeed remember that...and the crap it led to as well.

For some reason the Trump folks think this time will be different. 

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #187 on: July 15, 2016, 05:58:52 pm »
That's not the job of myself or any other Conservative voter.  THAT is the job of Trump and his campaign.

And so far he has shown ZERO interest in defeating Hillary.

Donny and his cult are still fixated on bashing anyone in the GOP who doesn't kiss his ring.  They don't seem to realize the general election is against Hillary...not Ted Cruz.


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From The Orange One's POV,the entire election campaign was against Cruz,Rubio,and JEB. That's whose campaigns he was hired to disrupt,not Bubbette's! The Clinton's paid him just like they paid Ross Perot to help Bubba defeat that evil bastard Poppy Bush.
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #188 on: July 15, 2016, 06:00:00 pm »
I make 50K a year as a soldier in the Army...can one of these Trump supporters explain to me how I'm I'm a "blue blood elitist"?

I served in the Army when called, as well. We are equal. When I was an NCO I only made about $6,000 per year.
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #189 on: July 15, 2016, 06:03:00 pm »
Kasich has nothing to do with the present....this is now....he lost. We have a nominee who is Trump.  Now that certainly isn't to your liking, as you've clearly expressed, and He is opposing Hillary in this general election. That IS the IT of it.  How you can seriously say that by opposing Trump isn't assisting the Clinton/Obama machinery?

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Following what passes for logic with Trumpette's,we must also responsible for every child rape and murder in this country because we didn't stop lunatics from raping and murdering people.

Trump is YOUR puppy,and you and those like you are going to be the ones responsible for President Clinton,Part 2 because YOU didn't get behind Cruz or Rubio because you fell in love with a Orange Clown.
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #190 on: July 15, 2016, 06:07:14 pm »
Whatever works to win at the time I guess. Congratulations, GOP you are now every bit as unscrupulous and amoral as are the democrats.

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They have been ever since they worked behind the scenes to help the Dims defeat Barry Goldwater because he was a threat to what was then called "The Country Club Republicans".

These are the same traitors that saddled Reagan with Poppy Bush as a condition to get their support when Reagan ran because they knew in their evil souls that if Reagan were allowed to pick another conservative as his running mate that they would then forever be locked out of the nations cash flow and the power that goes along with it.
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #191 on: July 15, 2016, 06:13:23 pm »


We (those who wanted someone other than Trump as the nominee) lost at the ballot box.  'Bout time we accept that.

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I have no trouble accepting it. It is established fact. It happened.

I also have no trouble refusing to vote for Trump OR Bubbette! as president BECAUSE I HAVE NO DESIRE TO SEE EITHER AS PRESIDENT BECAUSE THEY BOTH WANT TO DESTROY AMERICA FOR PERSONAL PROFIT.

When you vote for what you perceive to be the lesser of two evils,you are STILL PURPOSELY voting for evil and you know it.  Why would you want to do that?
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #192 on: July 15, 2016, 06:20:46 pm »
The GOP will always find a way to kick conservatives to the curb.

I've always believed in fighting for control of the party, that third parties were a guaranteed dead end.

I no longer believe that. There really is no future for us in that party. And there never will be.

You are right,but for the wrong reason.  There is only 1 Party with power in 21st Century America. The DimReps.

A Second/Opposing Party is what America desperately needs but won't get. We won't get it because our ruling political class over the years has been complicit with allowing the globalists (communists and their fascist adult siblings) to take over 100 percent control over the media as well as the US House and Senate. Because of this,only trusted insiders they have control over via blackmail or other threats are allowed to run for federal offices. Yes,I did use the word "allowed". It is appropriate because no outsider can come up with the money and the media support to defeat an opponent backed by the One Ruling Party.

The only thing that will ever change this is citizens marching to DC carrying torches and hangman's nooses,followed by mass hangings. I don't see that happening.

America is history. Welcome to Poppy and Stalin's New World Order.
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #193 on: July 15, 2016, 06:26:17 pm »
So, the whole time the Trumpers were hollering about the "system being rigged" what they were actually doing was projecting their own plans to rig the system.

This is rotten. 

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #194 on: July 15, 2016, 06:29:32 pm »
My family goes back to the 1600s in Maryland. Yes, he did.

The above is in response to the question "Do you think Lincoln  used fascism?' by truth_seeker

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Close,but no cigar. Lincoln acted in a dictatorial manner by pushing an un-Constitional War on the nation,locking people up with no proof of guilt or trial,etc,etc,etc,but he was no fascist. He was just a run of the mill dictator.

To be a fascist you have to believe in global government with no nations and no free people or elections.

Which pretty much describes both Bubbette! and the creature she is running against.
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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #195 on: July 15, 2016, 06:31:59 pm »
Because "the full electorate" is often a mob, and the delegates are supposed to be a protection against same.  Same reason why the US was founded as a Republic, not a Democracy.

But the mob has prevailed and picked the worst GOP candidate I've ever seen.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #196 on: July 15, 2016, 06:32:28 pm »
Why not instead fight for a return to the Constitutionally constrained Federal Government, the return of power to the States and the People that should never have been usurped, and the stripping from existence of myriad agencies which have taken on the role of legislator, judge, and jury as well.

Because this people don't want that.  The ones that do are in their 50's or older.

Because Obama has transformed the Executive into a monarchy with aid from the GOP itself under McConnell and Boehner, the Republicans and the Joe Sixpacks want their own emperor on the throne, while the Communists and Maoists and Marxists want theirs.

The very idea of Constitutional Liberty is lost among the majority of the population, and I discover every single day just how ignorant this people are in terms of what that was supposed to mean.

Today, everyone has their own definition of freedom and even among so-called Conservatives - a common belief and core is no longer agreed to.  Faith and principles are ridiculed.  Heck, you can read that every single day right here along with the analysis of how principles destroy the good and people who hold to such principles are an enemy to be crushed.

Populist Nationalism has engulfed a people who do not identify with Democratic Socialists.  They want revenge and punishment.  They have heard those promises and responded.  They see their Il Douche as the solution to all that ails them and they can care less whether or not he will rule as a tyrant or be bound to Constitutional constraints.   As they have actually written, if Trump be a tyrant, at least he is THEIR tyrant.

Self evident proof that a Republic is no longer even an option in the minds of those who call themselves 'Conservative'.

I will post again these words from John Adams:

But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever. When the People once surrender their share in the Legislature, and their Right of defending the Limitations upon the Government, and of resisting every Encroachment upon them, they can never regain it. - July 7, 1775
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #197 on: July 15, 2016, 06:34:10 pm »
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I will post again these words from John Adams:

But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever. When the People once surrender their share in the Legislature, and their Right of defending the Limitations upon the Government, and of resisting every Encroachment upon them, they can never regain it. - July 7, 1775

I've felt for a long time that Mr. Adams was correct.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #198 on: July 15, 2016, 06:37:37 pm »
So we can expect no more insults, derision, invective and threats (like treason) because we will not be supporting nor voting for your prince, because as you just said you do not need us Principled Conservatives to "win"?

If we are inconsequential and are this 'dwindling minority' who oppose Il Douche, then you have nothing to worry about and all these insipid and stupid charges that not voting for Trump is voting for Hillary are moot.

You can have your dictatorship without our involvement. 

We wash our hands of your party, your prince and those of you who wave palm fronds for your monarch.

There is a reason why dictatorships have a 99-100% official approval rate.  Such leaders and their followers cannot brook any dissent no matter how small.  For it questions the glory of their lord and master.

And we see the same here.

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Re: Unbinding Delegate Amendment Killed Without Debate
« Reply #199 on: July 15, 2016, 06:38:16 pm »
The populist backers of Trump look at him as the best way to extract revenge on thr left for everything the Liberals have done for a generation. They look at him as a one shot one kill panacea for everything wrong with the country.

Revenge as a motivational factor for deciding who you support for President always ends badly for those that have pinned their hopes on said candidate.

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