Potential Trump VP on Abortion: 'Women Have to Be Able to Choose'

[LilLamb]

When I express my opposition to abortion, I have often been branded a "one position" voter.  For me abortion isn't an issue with a stance, it's a character test. If you tell me you support abortion or that you are pro-choice, then I know everything I need to know about your character and your wisdom.

[don-o]

It's very difficult to make everyone happy.

What offends one doesn't offend others...

We value free speech here but we also value civility and respect for each other.

I'm sorry we don't live up to your expectations...it's extremely hard running a forum.

I've heard it said that there are three things that most men think they can do better than anyone.

1. Coach their favorite team.
2. Cook a steak.
3 Make love to a woman.

Maybe add:
4. Perfectly moderate an internet forum.

(Not sure how/if this applies to the ladies.)

[mystery-ak]

Let's try to get this thread back on topic....if you have any question re how TBR is moderated please pm me.

[musiclady]

When I express my opposition to abortion, I have often been branded a "one position" voter.  For me abortion isn't an issue with a stance, it's a character test. If you tell me you support abortion or that you are pro-choice, then I know everything I need to know about your character and your wisdom.

I was told on this very forum by a pro-Trump fellow that I was a "one issue voter."   That was a lie, since there are many, many issues which are important to me, but I completely agree with you that it is not a political view.

Your referring to it as a character test, is completely accurate.  If you don't value the life of the unborn (or the elderly, in end of life issues), you are missing some very important discernment, and yes, both character and wisdom.

That is why I have known for a very long time that Donald Trump doesn't have the character or integrity to be President.

Even if he picked a nominally pro-life VP, he is on the wrong side of what determines the character of this nation.

[Wingnut]

Let's try to get this thread back on topic....if you have any question re how TBR is moderated please pm me.

 



 

[Silver Pines]

I know.  They always fall back on Hillary.  Unless the pick is worse than Hillary on the abortion issue, they are great with it.  So I suppose that means unless the VP pick want to start marketing aborted babies as food, they're good with it.

MODIFICATION:  I think they will come up with their GENIUS MOVE argument.  They will say how smart it is for him to make that pick because it will expand his base -- or something like that.

You're clairvoyant, indeed, lol.

[unknown]

When I express my opposition to abortion, I have often been branded a "one position" voter.  For me abortion isn't an issue with a stance, it's a character test. If you tell me you support abortion or that you are pro-choice, then I know everything I need to know about your character and your wisdom.

Very well stated!

 

 

 

Trump seems to be two-faced on this issue. He has publicly stated that there is a pro-life litmus test for his supreme court justices, but then, in his practice, he seems to not understand or actually act on his statements... such as his potential VP democrat pro-abortion choice.

[Silver Pines]

When I came here after FR, I believe the rule was "no personal attacks."

Now it's that we shouldn't make a post that is "unnecessarily offensive and invites flame war," or they'll lock the thread.

If I'm wrong, good, but that doesn't bode well for things around here.

We were welcomed here when we left FR.  I don't think it reflects well on us when we try to tell the owners of this forum how they should run it.

[mystery-ak]

We were welcomed here when we left FR.  I don't think it reflects well on us when we try to tell the owners of this forum how they should run it.

 

[flowers]

  

[mlizzy]

So you think it impossible that a 70-74 year old man could die?

Ok

So you think it impossible that a 70-74 year old [obese/overweight, out-of-shape, toxic] man [who lives day-to-day (on raw nerves) with sleep deprivation] could die?

Just adding a few other possibilities. :)

[Wingnut]

You channelling A-Lert there flowers?

 

[driftdiver]

May your kind increase.

@LilLamb

I've found any questions related to abortion are much easier once you admit that life begins at conception. 

If a person supports the killing of any person for convenience or lack of planning they are not someone I see as moral or ethical.

[Silver Pines]

The witchcraft, the worship of Trump must be broken.  How could any Christian vote for someone who picks a person for VP who thinks its a woman's choice whether to terminate the life of a child in the womb?  Partial birth abortions are a disregard for human life.  And the most precious and innocent American lives who have no ability to protect themselves.   We wouldn't do it to an animal.  These are Americans residing in the womb.  And the reason the general gave.  The woman has to decide if she wants to raise a child.  Its a little late.  That should be made before sex.

I know the liberal media has had a barrage of articles recently about malformed or aborting children who wouldn't survive articles recently.  Anyone willing to give this general a look would have to accept that he sees absolutely no moral line when it comes to killing children.  And that is what they are.  If you give birth to a baby in a hospital they will go beyond all natural efforts to save a baby who has debilitating birth defects.  Bleeding on the brain.  Holes in hearts.  Bowels outside of body..................  Horrific medical conditions.  Some children will be in the hospital for months after the birth.  Being born at 1 pound.  Artificial breathing.  They wouldn't make it without life support millions of them.  So tell me how can we find it acceptable to abort a 5,6,7 or up to full term fetus?  And for no other apparent reason of thousands than they are not wanted.

The other day I was reading an account of an abortion in which the baby was full-term and, in the words of the attending doctor, "wouldn't die." He speculated about drowning the baby in a bucket of water, but in the end, he made the nurses leave the room and choked the infant to death.  The "doctor" was charged and tried, but got off scot-free.

Anyone else wonder if God is wanting to see just how far some of us will go in order to win an election?

@mlizzy
@musiclady
@LilLamb

[Cripplecreek]

Anyone else wonder if God is wanting to see just how far some of us will go in order to win an election?

I won't sell my soul for a winner, I certainly won't sell my soul for someone who can't win.

[LilLamb]

The other day I was reading an account of an abortion in which the baby was full-term and, in the words of the attending doctor, "wouldn't die." He speculated about drowning the baby in a bucket of water, but in the end, he made the nurses leave the room and choked the infant to death.  The "doctor" was charged and tried, but got off scot-free.

Anyone else wonder if God is wanting to see just how far some of us will go in order to win an election?

@mlizzy
@musiclady
@LilLamb

I've seen people that are near and dear to me turn into hypocrites to support Trump.  It scares me that this man makes good people lose their hold on their principles and turn into pretzels to justify anything he says or does.

[RoosGirl]

I have been disturbed to see some Trump supporters admit that they think it's A-OK for Trump to lie in order to get more votes.

[HonestJohn]

Ya, certainly a serious problem.

I HATE the GOPe, RINOs, establishment republicans, etc..., and in no way could I vote for any of them - Kasich, Jebbie, Romney, Bush, McCain, etc. etc.

Is Trump any different than any of them? He presented himself as different. Was it all a lie? Possibly - I really hope not... because a lot of people have bought into him: hook line and sinker. Look at TOS as a good example of what was once a conservative Christian group that promoted conservative Christian values. And they pushed out Ted Cruz and have fully embraced "The Art of the Deal" Trump.

I notice who you don't mention.

Democrats, leftists, liberals, socialists, communists, or fascists.

[musiclady]

The other day I was reading an account of an abortion in which the baby was full-term and, in the words of the attending doctor, "wouldn't die." He speculated about drowning the baby in a bucket of water, but in the end, he made the nurses leave the room and choked the infant to death.  The "doctor" was charged and tried, but got off scot-free.

Anyone else wonder if God is wanting to see just how far some of us will go in order to win an election?

@mlizzy
@musiclady
@LilLamb

I wonder why God has tolerated the evil done in this country in the name of "choice" and "women's reproductive rights."

I too have seen people who claim to be pro-life who are continuing to make excuses for Trump's pro-abortion stance.

God is not mocked.  We will pay for this.

If there is NO pro-life candidate to choose from because both parties have sold their souls, we WILL pay.

[HonestJohn]

So it's on the internet so it must be okay...I take it as blasphemy....but I guess you have to be a Christain to see it that way.

As Trump is referred to by his supporters as the next coming of Jesus, which is allowed, that means you don't find a Trump-Jesus connection as blasphemy.

What's the difference... outside of the support/opposition element?

And these are memes, ideas repeated with a frequent regularity on the internet, so much so that a large number of users will recognize the reference.  It has nothing to do with fact-checking, just recognition.

[Cripplecreek]

I have been disturbed to see some Trump supporters admit that they think it's A-OK for Trump to lie in order to get more votes.

There are a lot of people supporting Trump who I never thought would silently approve of openly neonazi thought in their midst. True conservatives have always told them to take a hike before.

Here is a tweet I got just a little bit ago from a Trumper and I get dozens of them like this every day.



BTW "Odalism" appears to be all about racial and national superiority.

[R4 TrumPence]

As Trump is referred to by his supporters as the next coming of Jesus, which is allowed, that means you don't find a Trump-Jesus connection as blasphemy.

What's the difference... outside of the support/opposition element?

That is an out right lie! No Trump supporter on this forum has ever said that!

[musiclady]

That's really pathetic, since Georg Von Trapp strongly OPPOSED the Nazis.


(And I'm pretty sure Christopher Plummer does too)

[musiclady]

That is an out right lie! No Trump supporter on this forum has ever said that!

That HAPPY2BeMe fellow posted a picture of Jesus casting the money changers out of the temple, referring to Trump, and then called those of us who opposed Trump "hypocritical Pharisees" on the same thread.

If that's not saying that Trump is comparable to Jesus (and blasphemy), what is??

(He just called us all "hypocrites" on this thread.  I guess he just left off the Pharisee part and the Trump is Jesus parallel this time).

[Wingnut]

I won't sell my soul for a winner, I certainly won't sell my soul for someone who can't win.

My greatest hope is that I live long enough to vote FOR a Presidential candidate rather than AGAINST one, or no one.