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Re: Trump shifts immigration plan: No 'mass deportations'
« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2016, 08:44:01 pm »
Pretty soon the wall will even be a faint memory in Trumpmania. 

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Re: Trump shifts immigration plan: No 'mass deportations'
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2016, 08:48:06 pm »
A nothing burger. There is no need to depot all of the illegals. Should have studied history. Only need to remove the incentives to stay and deport a small percent.

Exactly the strategy that we who supported other candidates said was the right one, BUT Trump stood his ground on mass deportation, even saying back in Nov 2015 that he would create a "deportation force". And you Trump minions back that stragedy up right here on TBR.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/11/politics/donald-trump-deportation-force-debate-immigration/
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Re: Trump shifts immigration plan: No 'mass deportations'
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2016, 08:52:24 pm »
Really?  What was the point of the increased number of US agents during Operation Wetback?

To enforce Immigration laws obviously. Did you read the link above? IIRC its says they did not deport many but what they did caused a mass self deportation.
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Overall, there were 1,078,168 apprehensions made in the first year of Operation Wetback, with 170,000 being rounded up from May to July 1954. In addition, many illegal immigrants fled to Mexico fearing arrest; over half a million in Texas alone.
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Re: Trump shifts immigration plan: No 'mass deportations'
« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2016, 09:00:55 pm »
Exactly the strategy that we who supported other candidates said was the right one, BUT Trump stood his ground on mass deportation, even saying back in Nov 2015 that he would create a "deportation force". And you Trump minions back that stragedy up right here on TBR.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/11/politics/donald-trump-deportation-force-debate-immigration/

Again look who said deport 11 million. It was not Trump. It was the reporters trying to put words in his mouth. He only said he was going to create a larg deportation force. Nor is there any need to deport all of then since self deporting will happen. It happened when Alabama cracked down on illegals, it happened in Operation Wetback.

Pay attention to who says what. Liberal media is known to use leading questions to put words in people's mouths that they did not say and still attribute the words to the target victims. Even in the CNN one Trump does not say he will deport 11 million, he says he will make a deportation force in response to the leading question.
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Re: Trump shifts immigration plan: No 'mass deportations'
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2016, 09:04:51 pm »
To enforce Immigration laws obviously. Did you read the link above? IIRC its says they did not deport many but what they did caused a mass self deportation.

Over a million apprehensions and deportations by 750 agents in the first year of Operation Wetback; that's a deportation force deporting a mass of people, aka mass deportation. You are not so dense as to not understand this. 

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Re: Trump shifts immigration plan: No 'mass deportations'
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2016, 09:05:34 pm »
A nothing burger. There is no need to depot all of the illegals. Should have studied history. Only need to remove the incentives to stay and deport a small percent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

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« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2016, 09:07:04 pm »
A nothing burger. There is no need to depot all of the illegals. Should have studied history. Only need to remove the incentives to stay and deport a small percent.

That was Mitt Romney's position four years ago.  Donald Trump called that "mean-spirited".
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Re: Trump shifts immigration plan: No 'mass deportations'
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2016, 09:11:00 pm »
Did trump lie and mislead in his rallies? :pondering:
Washington (CNN)Pressed on how he would deport 11 million undocumented immigrants from the country, Donald Trump said Wednesday he would build a "deportation force."

Trump was pressed for specifics on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" by co-host Mika Brzezinski, who asked if he would have a "massive deportation force."
"You're going to have a deportation force,
and you're going to do it humanely," Trump said. "Don't forget, Mika, that you have millions of people that are waiting in line to come into this country and they're waiting to come in legally. And I always say the wall, we're going to build the wall. It's going to be a real deal. It's going to be a real wall."


http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/11/politics/donald-trump-deportation-force-debate-immigration/

 Did trump lie again in his rallies? :pondering:  Mr. Trump said he would remove illegal immigrants from the country “so fast that your head will spin,” and long before he could embark on his plan to build a wall spanning the 1,900 mile border between the U.S. and Mexico.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/09/11/donald-trump-says-immigrant-deportations-done-in-two-years/

 :pondering: Trump says he doesn't like self-deportation: “Our leading Republican is embracing self-deportation—all the 11 million have to walk back where they came from and maybe we’ll let them come back,” Mr. Graham told CBS. “I hope we don’t go that way as a party.”

http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-saying-illegal-immigrants-have-to-go-targets-obama-orders-1439738967

 :pondering: Mass deportations: Adding chaos to dysfunction

Mr. Trump has a simple plan to reduce the population of 11 million immigrants living illegally in the United States: Deport them.

How? He says he would follow the example of the military-style roundups authorized by President Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1954. The initiative, known as Operation Wetback, expelled hundreds of thousands of Mexicans.
and what was operation wetback... When Eisenhower took over, his immigration commissioner unveiled "Operation Wetback," a short-lived, military-style operation that the government estimated to have rounded up more than 1 million people.

The program proved deadly


In her book Impossible Subjects, Mae Ngai writes that many Mexicans were deported by ship. A congressional investigation, according to the book, compared the conditions on the ship to that of an "eighteenth century slave ship."

In another case, immigration authorities dumped hundreds of thousands of braceros across the border. She continues:

"Some 88 braceros died of sun stroke as a result of a round-up that had taken place in 112-degree heat, and [an American labor official] argued that more would have died had Red Cross not intervened. At the other end of the border, in Nuevo Laredo, a Mexican labor leader reported that 'wetbacks' were 'brought [into Mexico] like cows' on trucks and unloaded fifteen miles down the highway from the border, in the desert."
Citing immigration documents, FactCheck.org reports that Operation Wetback lasted a few months. Officials stopped shipping out Mexicans after "some drownings caused a public outcry in Mexico."

By the fall of 1954, funding for the program had begun to run dry, FactCheck says. The government called the operation a success and said the border had "been secured."


http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/11/455613993/it-came-up-in-the-debate-here-are-3-things-to-know-about-operation-wetback
Thank you for proving me correct. He never said he was going to deport all 11 million he even said he was going to try to duplicate Operation wetback where they caused self deportation of millions-  by only deporting a small percent, enforcing immigration laws and punishing enablers.
This is also in his written position statement  and has been for months.

Don't know why you thought you had something bad there.

So nothing to attack him with here nor is it new.

Perhaps he will provide buses for them who knows. If he follows his plan why would illegals stay here? That cannot work etc

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Re: Trump shifts immigration plan: No 'mass deportations'
« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2016, 09:17:29 pm »
Did trump lie and mislead in his rallies? :pondering:

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Re: Trump shifts immigration plan: No 'mass deportations'
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2016, 09:20:56 pm »
Actually hes consistent with his position statement that was posted months ago.

Just curious here.  Why is that policy "mean-spirited" and "maniacal" when Mitt Romney proposes it, yet refreshingly consistent when Donald Trump suddenly decides to embrace it?  How do you reconcile the two without coming across as a blaring hypocrite?
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Re: Trump shifts immigration plan: No 'mass deportations'
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2016, 09:23:03 pm »
Just curious here.  Why is that policy "mean-spirited" and "maniacal" when Mitt Romney proposes it, yet refreshingly consistent when Donald Trump suddenly decides to embrace it?  How do you reconcile the two without coming across as a blaring hypocrite?
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« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2016, 09:26:17 pm »
Just curious here.  Why is that policy "mean-spirited" and "maniacal" when Mitt Romney proposes it, yet refreshingly consistent when Donald Trump suddenly decides to embrace it?  How do you reconcile the two without coming across as a blaring hypocrite?
Perhaps because Romney was going about it inhumanly. Interestingly, now the Mormon church is pro-open border.
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Re: Trump shifts immigration plan: No 'mass deportations'
« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2016, 09:27:03 pm »
Sort of admire you for your persistent and unholy allegiance to The Trumpster but how can you justify supporting someone who constantly changes his positions ... on Everything.

That was Ted Cruz's plan that you trumpsters scoffed at.
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« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2016, 09:29:33 pm »
Pretty soon the wall will even be a faint memory in Trumpmania. 

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Re: Trump shifts immigration plan: No 'mass deportations'
« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2016, 09:30:25 pm »
Again look who said deport 11 million. It was not Trump. It was the reporters trying to put words in his mouth.

Do you have no shame? Yes he did say it and over and over again. Just watched a older CBS interview where he was asked the question directly, and he used the words "We will round them up". And just so that you are not claiming this was just the bad element he was talking about, he followed that up by saying the good ones can come back once they get in line.
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Re: Trump shifts immigration plan: No 'mass deportations'
« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2016, 09:30:45 pm »
That was Ted Cruz's plan that you trumpsters scoffed at.
Hold up a min. What has changed from his months' old position statement on this issue? Not a dam thing. This is left wing media playing anti-trumps for fools.
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Re: Trump shifts immigration plan: No 'mass deportations'
« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2016, 09:32:56 pm »
Do you have no shame? Yes he did say it and over and over again. Just watched a older CBS interview where he was asked the question directly, and he used the words "We will round them up". And just so that you are not claiming this was just the bad element he was talking about, he followed that up by saying the good ones can come back once they get in line.
So in your world "we will round them up" is "we will deport all 11 million" Got it. Look again at his plan and look at Operation Wetback. In no case has it ever called for deporting all. The 11 million number is a creation of the media not Trumps words.

Oh and please do not omit the term "legally" since it destroys the entire "touch-back" amnesty argument See "legally is defined by Congress not the Executive. 
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Re: Trump shifts immigration plan: No 'mass deportations'
« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2016, 09:33:55 pm »
Here's what Trump's own campaign website says:  http://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/donald-trump-we-will-have-a-deportation-force



- November 11, 2015 -
DONALD TRUMP: WE WILL HAVE A ‘DEPORTATION FORCE

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Wednesday on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said to remove the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants living in the Untied States, he would have a “deportation force.”

Trump said, “You’re going to have a deportation force. And your going to do it humanely. And you’re going to bring the country —frankly, you have excellent, wonderful people. fantastic people who have been here for a period of time. Don’t forget you have millions of people that are waiting on a line to come into this country and come in legally. I always say the wall. We’re going to build the wall and it’s going to be a real deal. There’s going to be a real wall. There’s going to be a picture of magazines where they’re taking drugs over the wall and built a ramp and the truck is going up and down. The wall is like a highway. It’s not going to happen. It’s going to be a Trump wall. It going to be a real wall. It’s going to stop people and it’s going to be good.”

He continued, “There’s going to be a big beautiful nice door. People are going to come in and they are come in legally. We have no choice. otherwise, we don’t have a country. We don’t know how many people. We don’t know if it’s 8 million, 20 million. We have no idea how many people are in our country and then you see what happened with Kate in San Francisco. You see what happens with all of the things going on. All of the tremendous crime going on. It cost us 200 billion a year for illegal immigration right now, maybe 250, maybe 300. They don’t know. We are going to stop it.”




To be fair, the man talks like a 3rd-grader, so there's really no telling what he actually meant.  But the telling thing is that they would actually leave something this embarrassing posted on his campaign website.
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Re: Trump shifts immigration plan: No 'mass deportations'
« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2016, 09:34:54 pm »
We have always had a wall with EastAsia

Nice.
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Re: Trump shifts immigration plan: No 'mass deportations'
« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2016, 09:36:52 pm »
Here's what Trump's own campaign website says:  http://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/donald-trump-we-will-have-a-deportation-force



- November 11, 2015 -
DONALD TRUMP: WE WILL HAVE A ‘DEPORTATION FORCE

BREITBART

Wednesday on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said to remove the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants living in the Untied States, he would have a “deportation force.”

Trump said, “You’re going to have a deportation force. And your going to do it humanely. And you’re going to bring the country —frankly, you have excellent, wonderful people. fantastic people who have been here for a period of time. Don’t forget you have millions of people that are waiting on a line to come into this country and come in legally. I always say the wall. We’re going to build the wall and it’s going to be a real deal. There’s going to be a real wall. There’s going to be a picture of magazines where they’re taking drugs over the wall and built a ramp and the truck is going up and down. The wall is like a highway. It’s not going to happen. It’s going to be a Trump wall. It going to be a real wall. It’s going to stop people and it’s going to be good.”

He continued, “There’s going to be a big beautiful nice door. People are going to come in and they are come in legally. We have no choice. otherwise, we don’t have a country. We don’t know how many people. We don’t know if it’s 8 million, 20 million. We have no idea how many people are in our country and then you see what happened with Kate in San Francisco. You see what happens with all of the things going on. All of the tremendous crime going on. It cost us 200 billion a year for illegal immigration right now, maybe 250, maybe 300. They don’t know. We are going to stop it.”




To be fair, the man talks like a 3rd-grader, so there's really no telling what he actually meant.  But the telling thing is that they would actually leave something this embarrassing posted on his campaign website.

Yes and No "deport 11 million" in it.

Waht was your point? That anti-Trumps continue to impart the words of reporters to trump?
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Re: Trump shifts immigration plan: No 'mass deportations'
« Reply #45 on: June 25, 2016, 09:38:14 pm »
:silly: You are comical. Trump makes statements against self-deportation and  you say his plan is based on self-deportation. :chairbang:
Trump responds on multiple occasions to how he will deport ALL 11 million illegals and you say he has never indicated he would do that.  :chairbang:
Your whole post is so laughable and contrary to what trump has been saying that you further the unquestioned truth anything trump says the shills will try to twist it to make it palpable to the public.  :shrug: Trouble is they are never successful.....they just end up looking like... :pondering:   .shills. :seeya:

The challenge to you Cucky is to provide Trump saying himself "deport 11 million" until you do you have nothing.
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« Reply #46 on: June 25, 2016, 09:38:24 pm »
Perhaps because Romney was going about it inhumanly.

Please cite the differences between Romney's method and Trump's method and show how one was inhumane while the other not.  Can't wait to hear what you make up next.
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Re: Trump shifts immigration plan: No 'mass deportations'
« Reply #48 on: June 25, 2016, 09:45:41 pm »
Please cite the differences between Romney's method and Trump's method and show how one was inhumane while the other not.  Can't wait to hear what you make up next.

I will let you do your own work since you are one who wants the info

Here is Romney's position: http://www.cfr.org/united-states/candidates-immigration/p26803
Here is Trump's Position: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

Have at it, let us know what you find.
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Re: Trump shifts immigration plan: No 'mass deportations'
« Reply #49 on: June 25, 2016, 09:47:22 pm »
Over a million apprehensions and deportations by 750 agents in the first year of Operation Wetback; that's a deportation force deporting a mass of people, aka mass deportation. You are not so dense as to not understand this.
It was a about what 10 Percent? So no it was not mass as it was over many years.
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