BREAKING: Kristol Eyes Conservative Lawyer David French for Independent Presidential Run

[wolfcreek]

But I don't. I don't want either one. You and others here do. I'll keep fighting until Election Day to stop both of those megalomaniacs.

Then what? Vote for one of them?

[roamer_1]

Then what? Vote for one of them?

Gee, but it seems to me that I should vote for what I WANT, endorsing that which I believe in. That's the whole point. That is what a vote is for. And if there are none worthy of that endorsement, why then would I give it at all?

[Poser]

Then what? Vote for one of them?

In this case, yes. Vote for the one who will be less evil than the other. You are going to get one, and I suggest that the Republican is far less evil than Hillary Clinton.

[RoosGirl]

In this case, yes. Vote for the one who will be less evil than the other. You are going to get one, and I suggest that the Republican is far less evil than Hillary Clinton.

What evidence is there that he isn't equally evil?

[jmyrlefuller]

Then what? Vote for one of them?

As of now, my vote is probably going to Gary Johnson. Not that I agree with him, but he's the least of three evils at this point.

[Poser]

What evidence is there that he isn't equally evil?

I haven't seen proof that he is evil. I can't say the same for Hillary.

[wolfcreek]

What evidence is there that he isn't equally evil?

He's been vetted. Nothing evil has been found.

You know better?

[RoosGirl]

He's been vetted. Nothing evil has been found.

You know better?

How has he been vetted?  What policies has he instituted that are conservative and/or republican?  What conservative and/or republican causes has he championed in the last 5 years?

[jmyrlefuller]

I haven't seen proof that he is evil. I can't say the same for Hillary.

One has to be pretty darned wicked to speak the way he does about his own daughters.

[roamer_1]

He's been vetted. Nothing evil has been found.

You know better?

Sooo.. Casinos, strip clubs, escort services, serial adultery, illegal workers, failure to pay workers, suing an old lady to get her property... I could go on... Under which definition of evil is this stuff passing fare?

[aligncare]

Politics makes people act all zooey. 

[wolfcreek]

How has he been vetted?  What policies has he instituted that are conservative and/or republican?  What conservative and/or republican causes has he championed in the last 5 years?

We were talking about evil deeds...right?


He has no political record because he's never been one.

[RoosGirl]

We were talking about evil deeds...right?


He has no political record because he's never been one.

George Soros has no political record either.  Trump keeps claiming he's a conservative. He keeps claiming he's a republican.  Where is his record of that?  He has been consistently inconsistent. He gives money to both democrats and republicans. He gives money to fight climate change.  He's had every position on every issue in the last 5 years as far as I can tell.  So where is there any proof that he believes what he is saying tbis time?  There's an abortion clinic I used to drive by going home from work.  The same older woman was out on the sidewalk in front almost every day praying for the girls and babies going in to that places.  She stood there quietly, never harrassed anyone; she was a warrior for life.  What has Trump done?  Not necessarily regarding abortion, but any issue, what has he *done* to further the conservative agenda anywhere?  Why should i believe what he says when there are no a tions to back up the words.

[wolfcreek]

George Soros has no political record either.  Trump keeps claiming he's a conservative. He keeps claiming he's a republican.  Where is his record of that?  He has been consistently inconsistent. He gives money to both democrats and republicans. He gives money to fight climate change.  He's had every position on every issue in the last 5 years as far as I can tell.  So where is there any proof that he believes what he is saying tbis time?  There's an abortion clinic I used to drive by going home from work.  The same older woman was out on the sidewalk in front almost every day praying for the girls and babies going in to that places.  She stood there quietly, never harrassed anyone; she was a warrior for life.  What has Trump done?  Not necessarily regarding abortion, but any issue, what has he *done* to further the conservative agenda anywhere?  Why should i believe what he says when there are no a tions to back up the words.

From his family, he's a good father,husband and provider. He a good businessman who gives work to people from all economic levels.He's not a lawyer.

I could go on but, since you found nothing evil to accuse him of, I'll leave it at that.

[RoosGirl]

From his family, he's a good father,husband and provider. He a good businessman who gives work to people from all economic levels.He's not a lawyer.

I could go on but, since you found nothing evil to accuse him of, I'll leave it at that.

Lots of people match that description, doesn't mean they would make a good POTUS.  Bet Chelsea would say the same thing about her mom.  But, I never said I had proof of evil.  What I don't have is proof of any sort, other than words, that he is conservative, as he claims to be, or a republican.  What has he ever done to let me know he is anything more than words?  I have no proof he isn't as equally evil as Hillary.

[wolfcreek]

Lots of people match that description, doesn't mean they would make a good POTUS.  Bet Chelsea would say the same thing about her mom.  But, I never said I had proof of evil.  What I don't have is proof of any sort, other than words, that he is conservative, as he claims to be, or a republican.  What has he ever done to let me know he is anything more than words?  I have no proof he isn't as equally evil as Hillary.

You have the same proof as you would get from any other person you don't know personally. I can tell you I'm a staunch Conservative with only Constitutionally sound values and principles but, you would never know for sure unless you personally knew me.

Hillary otoh has shown us every evil side she possesses.

[jmyrlefuller]

From his family, he's a good father,husband and provider.

Are you kidding me? He's on his third marriage. Good husbands need only do it once.

[RoosGirl]

You have the same proof as you would get from any other person you don't know personally. I can tell you I'm a staunch Conservative with only Constitutionally sound values and principles but, you would never know for sure unless you personally knew me.

Hillary otoh has shown us every evil side she possesses.

And I bet if you were running for office you would have some way to show me you were that staunch conservative.  What boards have you been on?  Fundraisers have you headed up?  Campaigns you've worked for?   Legislation that you lobbied for?  Organizations that you volunteered for?  If you own a business what charities did you regularly support? 

Trump is supposed to be some big name business man and all we hear about it how he gave to both sides of every issue, democrats and republicans in order to help his business.  Is there any record of him hosting fundraisers for the National Right To Life Committee or Salvation Army or Samaritan's Purse or GOA or NRA or name your conservative political activist here, at any level or consistently over any number of years?  As far as I can tell Trump is all about helping Trump and anything he does that I know about has some self-serving goal to it.  Do you have info to the contrary?

[RoosGirl]

You have the same proof as you would get from any other person you don't know personally. I can tell you I'm a staunch Conservative with only Constitutionally sound values and principles but, you would never know for sure unless you personally knew me.

Hillary otoh has shown us every evil side she possesses.

I'll use Ted Cruz as an example because he is who I supported and know the best, fought for American sovereignty and gun rights in front of SCOTUS.  That is what a conservative in the position he was in does.

[wolfcreek]

And I bet if you were running for office you would have some way to show me you were that staunch conservative.  What boards have you been on?  Fundraisers have you headed up?  Campaigns you've worked for?   Legislation that you lobbied for?  Organizations that you volunteered for?  If you own a business what charities did you regularly support? 

Trump is supposed to be some big name business man and all we hear about it how he gave to both sides of every issue, democrats and republicans in order to help his business.  Is there any record of him hosting fundraisers for the National Right To Life Committee or Salvation Army or Samaritan's Purse or GOA or NRA or name your conservative political activist here, at any level or consistently over any number of years?  As far as I can tell Trump is all about helping Trump and anything he does that I know about has some self-serving goal to it.  Do you have info to the contrary?

Do the research. and I wouldn't use Google.

[wolfcreek]

I'll use Ted Cruz as an example because he is who I supported and know the best, fought for American sovereignty and gun rights in front of SCOTUS.  That is what a conservative in the position he was in does.

While he was working for the State of TX as a lawyer. Trump has never held a position like that. He's in the business of making money for his shareholders.

[wolfcreek]

Are you kidding me? He's on his third marriage. Good husbands need only do it once.

I didn't get it right the first time and no one is crucifying me.

[RoosGirl]

While he was working for the State of TX as a lawyer. Trump has never held a position like that. He's in the business of making money for his shareholders.

Yes, as I tried to make clear, I wouldn't expect a Trump to do the same exact thing, he couldn't in the profession he is in.  It was an example.

[RoosGirl]

Do the research. and I wouldn't use Google.

I've looked and found nothing.  I've asked here and no Trump supporter has been able to answer the question; what conservative and/or republican cause has Trump consistently championed over the last 5 years?  There are some pretty hard core Trump people here, if they can't answer then who can?  If they can't answer I have to presume the answer is "There aren't any."  I am genuinely interested in having an honest answer to the question.  Any answer I have gotten in some rehash of the nonsense on the Trump campaign website.

[jmyrlefuller]

I didn't get it right the first time and no one is crucifying me.

No one's calling you a great spouse, either, and I doubt that you dumped your spouse for the next newest hot model the way Trump did. Twice.