BREAKING: Kristol Eyes Conservative Lawyer David French for Independent Presidential Run

[jmyrlefuller]

Why do you [and others] still argue against Trump when you have only one other choice? This is starting to verge on dementia.

That's the false dilemma again. We have plenty of choices.

The Trump Caucus has been trying desperately this whole cycle to paint this as Trump versus the strawman. Trump vs. Jeb. Trump vs. "Lyin' Ted," whoever that is. And now Trump vs. Clinton. If we're not for Trump according to his harpies, we're for some nefarious strawman invented by Trump.

Trump could never stand on his own merits, so he creates his own, weaker enemies.

[Poser]

It is no longer "Trump versus straw man." There are no straw men left, only the Democrat candidate Hillary Clinton. Barring some unknown occurrence, only two people have a chance to be our next POTUS.  Republicans and conservatives voting third party succeed only in diminishing the vote total for the Republican candidate, bringing Hillary Clinton one vote closer to victory.

You may not like Donald Trump. You may believe he is not a genuine conservative. You may dislike his mannerisms. You may suspect he will pivot to the left once elected. But... You absolutely know that Hillary Clinton is a  card carrying leftist who will decimate the Supreme Court, the second amendment and the free enterprise system as we know it. You know she will welcome millions and millions of illegal aliens into our neighborhoods.

No matter what you think of  Trump. Hillary is hundreds of times worse.

[DCPatriot]

It is no longer "Trump versus straw man." There are no straw men left, only the Democrat candidate Hillary Clinton. Barring some unknown occurrence, only two people have a chance to be our next POTUS.  Republicans and conservatives voting third party succeed only in diminishing the vote total for the Republican candidate, bringing Hillary Clinton one vote closer to victory.

You may not like Donald Trump. You may believe he is not a genuine conservative. You may dislike his mannerisms. You may suspect he will pivot to the left once elected. But... You absolutely know that Hillary Clinton is a  card carrying leftist who will decimate the Supreme Court, the second amendment and the free enterprise system as we know it. You know she will welcome millions and millions of illegal aliens into our neighborhoods.

No matter what you think of  Trump. Hillary is hundreds of times worse.

Thank you, @Poser !   

[RoosGirl]

I don't know if Hillary will be worse or not.  I certainly won't be voting for her.  But Trump has no record, so there's no proof he'll be better.  I can read all day long on his campaign site what he does or doesn't want to do, but I've asked numerous times what conservative causes has Trump championed over any number of years and there's no answer.

[DCPatriot]

I don't know if Hillary will be worse or not.  I certainly won't be voting for her.  But Trump has no record, so there's no proof he'll be better.  I can read all day long on his campaign site what he does or doesn't want to do, but I've asked numerous times what conservative causes has Trump championed over any number of years and there's no answer.

You have two horses in front of you.

The Democrat horse has a 25 year resume as an international failure...never winning one race.  never accomplishing one notable thing.

The Republican horse has a 34 year resume of success...turning a $2 million dollar investment into an empire ...some say, worth $10 BILLION.

And yet, you claim they're both essentially the same.

 

[Poser]

You can lead a horse to water...

[RoosGirl]

You have two horses in front of you.

The Democrat horse has a 25 year resume as an international failure...never winning one race.  never accomplishing one notable thing.

The Republican horse has a 34 year resume of success...turning a $2 million dollar investment into an empire ...some say, worth $10 BILLION.

And yet, you claim they're both essentially the same.

 

I don't claim the are essentially the same.  I say there is no proof they are different with respect to their political philosophy and how they would govern.  You answer my question then, I've been waiting for someone to answer, what conservative causes has Trump championed?  I don't mean the words written on his campaign site.  I mean what has he actually worked on (not thrown money at, which for him usually meant throwing money to both sides), but actually being a consistent voice/face for that conservative cause.

[RoosGirl]

I would also note that just because you may be smart or successful in one area of your life does not mean you will be successful in another.  By all accounts Jimmy Carter is a "smart" person, but do we need to discuss what a failure he was as a president?

[libertybele]

It is no longer "Trump versus straw man." There are no straw men left, only the Democrat candidate Hillary Clinton. Barring some unknown occurrence, only two people have a chance to be our next POTUS.  Republicans and conservatives voting third party succeed only in diminishing the vote total for the Republican candidate, bringing Hillary Clinton one vote closer to victory.

You may not like Donald Trump. You may believe he is not a genuine conservative. You may dislike his mannerisms. You may suspect he will pivot to the left once elected. But... You absolutely know that Hillary Clinton is a  card carrying leftist who will decimate the Supreme Court, the second amendment and the free enterprise system as we know it. You know she will welcome millions and millions of illegal aliens into our neighborhoods.

No matter what you think of  Trump. Hillary is hundreds of times worse.

Yes, with Clinton we know what we will be getting and that is a given.  No, I don't know that Trump will be any worse and neither does anyone else.  He has no record other than that of a liberal. He could go either way; he could very well act on what he's stated or he could be even more to the left than Hillary.  His personality and actions say that the later possibility is much more likely.  Had he not jumped down the throats of the members of his own party like he has done and gone after Hillary in the same fashion I wouldn't be a #NeverTrump.

[truth_seeker]

It is no longer "Trump versus straw man." There are no straw men left, only the Democrat candidate Hillary Clinton. Barring some unknown occurrence, only two people have a chance to be our next POTUS.  Republicans and conservatives voting third party succeed only in diminishing the vote total for the Republican candidate, bringing Hillary Clinton one vote closer to victory.

You may not like Donald Trump. You may believe he is not a genuine conservative. You may dislike his mannerisms. You may suspect he will pivot to the left once elected. But... You absolutely know that Hillary Clinton is a  card carrying leftist who will decimate the Supreme Court, the second amendment and the free enterprise system as we know it. You know she will welcome millions and millions of illegal aliens into our neighborhoods.

No matter what you think of  Trump. Hillary is hundreds of times worse.

Where did you go to school ??  It looks to me like The University of Common Sense. (UCS, for short)

Political Correctness is getting Americans killed.

Make America Safe Again, Make America First Again, Make America Great Again

[libertybele]

I don't claim the are essentially the same.  I say there is no proof they are different with respect to their political philosophy and how they would govern.  You answer my question then, I've been waiting for someone to answer, what conservative causes has Trump championed?  I don't mean the words written on his campaign site.  I mean what has he actually worked on (not thrown money at, which for him usually meant throwing money to both sides), but actually being a consistent voice/face for that conservative cause.

  You summed up things quite nicely.  What has Trump actually worked on when he has actually been a consistent voice/face for a conservative cause?  I can't name one.  I can't name one issue that he hasn't flip flopped on; gun control; illegal immigration, Muslim refugees, the border wall, abortion, Obamacare, etc.  I can't name one time where he hasn't attacked members of his own party instead of attacking Clinton on the same issue.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

[DCPatriot]

I don't claim the are essentially the same.  I say there is no proof they are different with respect to their political philosophy and how they would govern.  You answer my question then, I've been waiting for someone to answer, what conservative causes has Trump championed?  I don't mean the words written on his campaign site.  I mean what has he actually worked on (not thrown money at, which for him usually meant throwing money to both sides), but actually being a consistent voice/face for that conservative cause.

@RoosGirl

I've said on this site countless times....THIS ELECTION ISN'T CONSERVATIVE vs. LIBERAL.  That ship sailed.

We're at a fork in the road now where it's a CLEAR CHOICE:

1) Do you want more of Obama-type policy?  More Socialism?  More unfettered immigration?  More destruction of the American way of life and the American dream for millions of young people?

or:

2) Do you want to try something else?

[RoosGirl]

@RoosGirl

I've said on this site countless times....THIS ELECTION ISN'T CONSERVATIVE vs. LIBERAL.  That ship sailed.

We're at a fork in the road now where it's a CLEAR CHOICE:

1) Do you want more of Obama-type policy?  More Socialism?  More unfettered immigration?  More destruction of the American way of life and the American dream for millions of young people?

or:

2) Do you want to try something else?

Okay, replace my word "conservative" with "republican" and answer the question.  It's not that I disagree with most of the things Trump says, though I do think they could be said with a lot more class, I just have no reason to believe them.  What I really believe is that they're being said for political expediency and may or may not be believed by the man who is saying them.

[INVAR]

@RoosGirl

I've said on this site countless times....THIS ELECTION ISN'T CONSERVATIVE vs. LIBERAL.  That ship sailed.

We're at a fork in the road now where it's a CLEAR CHOICE:

1) Do you want more of Obama-type policy?  More Socialism?  More unfettered immigration?  More destruction of the American way of life and the American dream for millions of young people?

or:

2) Do you want to try something else?

We are trying something else.  We're no longer taking the blue pill that we're force-fed.  We're going third party or writing in this year.

You are correct to note that in terms of a Conservative vs Liberal 'choice' in this election, we have none.  It's a choice between two NY Liberal Leftists.  You can have them both.

Your questions about 'do we want?' are irrelevant because it does not matter which of these two heinous clowns vying for the office is 'crowned' leader.   You're going to have more Socialism, more unfettered invasion, more destruction of the American culture, life and dreams for every single person in this land regardless if you choose Trump or if they choose Hildabeast.

Because that is what this people want, and that is what the Ruling Class Oligarchy is feeding you all.

[Sanguine]

@RoosGirl

I've said on this site countless times....THIS ELECTION ISN'T CONSERVATIVE vs. LIBERAL.  That ship sailed.

We're at a fork in the road now where it's a CLEAR CHOICE:

1) Do you want more of Obama-type policy?  More Socialism?  More unfettered immigration?  More destruction of the American way of life and the American dream for millions of young people?

or:

2) Do you want to try something else?

Yeah, that's a tough argument to make: "vote for our guy because we're not sure what he's going to do".   But, you make it valiantly.

[Poser]

We are trying something else.  We're no longer taking the blue pill that we're force-fed.  We're going third party or writing in this year.

You are not trying something new. You are trying something that failed. Remember a funny looking guy from Texas named Ross Perot? He got Bill Clinton Elected with only 43% of the vote.  Remember him again in 1996? He got Bill Clinton reelected with less than a majority again. Remember Ralph Nader in 2000? He did the same thing to the Democrats.

The whole third party thing has been tried and tried again. You have chosen a proven losing strategy. It's not new.
Perhaps you are young and haven't had an opportunity to learn from three of the last six elections.

Also, please note that staying home doesn't work either. Note the 2012 election where conservatives stayed home because the candidate was a moderate Mormon. Obama won with fewer votes than he needed to defeat McCain.

Let's try not to repeat the mistakes of the past.

[Wingnut]

@RoosGirl

I've said on this site countless times....THIS ELECTION ISN'T CONSERVATIVE vs. LIBERAL.  That ship sailed.

We're at a fork in the road now where it's a CLEAR CHOICE:

1) Do you want more of Obama-type policy?  More Socialism?  More unfettered immigration?  More destruction of the American way of life and the American dream for millions of young people?

or:

2) Do you want to try something else?

Like Trump you are windier than a bag full of farts.

[roamer_1]

Let's try not to repeat the mistakes of the past.

You already have - The presumptive nominee has *nothing* for Conservatives, and yet you expect Conservatives to vote for him anyway.
It won't happen this time any better than it did last time.

And neither will the 'lesser evil' argument, wrapped in fear.

Same mistakes again, indeed.

[Poser]

You have chosen Hillary Clinton. It's sad really.

[DCPatriot]

Like Trump you are windier than a bag full of farts.

    You do make me smile, @Wingnut

[roamer_1]

You have chosen Hillary Clinton. It's sad really.

No, Those who nominated Trump chose hillary.

[RoosGirl]

And the Trump supporters have yet to answer my question.  I have framed the question exactly the way they wanted me to; replaced conservative with republican (even though Trump says he's a conservative), shortened the arbitrary time frame that was somehow unfair.  No answer.  And that they cannot answer does not seem to give them pause.  But hey, at least they're not choosing Hillary. What would happen if everyone who is voting against Hillary wrote in Ted Cruz or Scott Walker or RoosGirl.  I'm not Hillary either, and at least my campaign contributions have all been to conservatives. :P

[jmyrlefuller]

You are not trying something new. You are trying something that failed. Remember a funny looking guy from Texas named Ross Perot? He got Bill Clinton Elected with only 43% of the vote.  Remember him again in 1996? He got Bill Clinton reelected with less than a majority again. Remember Ralph Nader in 2000? He did the same thing to the Democrats.

The whole third party thing has been tried and tried again. You have chosen a proven losing strategy. It's not new.
Perhaps you are young and haven't had an opportunity to learn from three of the last six elections.

Also, please note that staying home doesn't work either. Note the 2012 election where conservatives stayed home because the candidate was a moderate Mormon. Obama won with fewer votes than he needed to defeat McCain.

Let's try not to repeat the mistakes of the past.

So answer me this:

How do you stop both Trump and Clinton?

You have no answer because in your mind, you have to choose one or the other. Both wholly unacceptable candidates. Both a clear threat to our freedom. Yet in your mind, Trump is better and for one reason alone: he has an R next to his name.

[jmyrlefuller]

@RoosGirl

I've said on this site countless times....THIS ELECTION ISN'T CONSERVATIVE vs. LIBERAL.  That ship sailed.

We're at a fork in the road now where it's a CLEAR CHOICE:

1) Do you want more of Obama-type policy?  More Socialism?  More unfettered immigration?  More destruction of the American way of life and the American dream for millions of young people?

or:

2) Do you want to try something else?

"Something else?" That's the best you've got?

I've seen enough episodes of Let's Make a Deal to know that when Monty Hall offers you a trade, your chances of getting something great behind door #2 are exactly the same as getting a zonk. The odds get even worse when he drops hints.

Our country cannot afford the proverbial zonk.

[wolfcreek]

So answer me this:

How do you stop both Trump and Clinton?

You have no answer because in your mind, you have to choose one or the other. Both wholly unacceptable candidates. Both a clear threat to our freedom. Yet in your mind, Trump is better and for one reason alone: he has an R next to his name.

That's all assumption on your part and it flies in the face of clear differences in the two.