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http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Pat-Buchanan-Whites-Trump-Hope/2016/05/28/id/731249/

Conservative commentator Pat Buchanan said Saturday that white middle-class Americans have become so disenfranchised that many are looking to Donald Trump as African Americans did to Barack Obama in 2008 — "with hope."

"I think, culturally, they're under assault," Buchanan, former aide to Republican Presidents Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, told Michael Smerconish on CNN. "The phrase "angry white male" is one of the few slurs that can be used today.
"I think for the white American middle class, they feel that the good times are over for good and they look to Donald Trump the way that African Americans looked to Barack Obama, with hope."

Buchanan explored the issue in a column this week on his website and on Newsmax, building from an article published last year in The New York Times.

"Middle-aged whites are four times as likely as middle-aged blacks to kill themselves," he said. "Their fitness levels are falling as they suffer rising levels of physical pain, emotional stress and mental depression, which helps explain the alcohol and drug addiction."

Buchanan attributed these conditions to myriad economic and social factors, ranging from continuous stagnant unemployment, immigration — legal and illegal — plunging marriage rates, affirmative action and negative images of whites in history books and the media.

"White males, now down to 31 percent of the population, have become the only Americans against whom it is not only permissible, but commendable, to discriminate," Buchanan said.

He called Trump "The Great White Hope," taking the name used to describe boxer Jess Willard, who knocked out Jack Johnson in 1915 to win the heavyweight title.

Willard lost the title four years later to Jack Dempsey.

"It's just a term, but what is very important is what it indicates," Buchanan told Smerconish. "The largest turnout ever has taken place in the Republican primaries — and, enormously, the votes for Donald Trump had been white votes, working-class votes, middle-class votes, people driven by nationalism and populism who have never come out before.
"We have to explain that and understand it," he added, beating back ideological concerns.

"I make the best effort I can do to do that — and to have the political correctness line thrown at you on every line you use in the column, I don't think is helpful."

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http://buchanan.org/blog/great-white-hope-125286

The original column. Worth reading.

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When our cultural and political elites celebrate “diversity” and clamor for more, what are they demanding, if not fewer white males in the work force and in the freshman classes at Annapolis and Harvard?

What is the moral argument for an affirmative action that justifies unending race discrimination against a declining white working class, who have become the expendables of our multicultural regime?

“Angry white male” is now an acceptable slur in culture and politics. So it is that people of that derided ethnicity, race, and gender see in Donald Trump someone who unapologetically berates and mocks the elites who have dispossessed them, and who despise them.

Is it any surprise that militant anti-government groups attract white males? Is it so surprising that the Donald today, like Jess Willard a century ago, is seen by millions as “The Great White Hope”?


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http://buchanan.org/blog/great-white-hope-125286

The original column. Worth reading.

It finishes:

“I believe in the GOP Big Tent. We need to unite in 2012. White, black, gay and straight. TeaParty, Social Conservatives, Establishment types, Libertarians and Neo-Cons, alike. We all must find common ground. Not just for the sake of winning this monumental election. But to reclaim the Big Tent, Big Party mantle of the man who united us best, Ronald Reagan.” - Andrew Breitbart.

“I urge you to vote for Donald Trump because he is the one candidate who points out that we should accept immigrants who are good for America,  We don’t need Muslims. We need smart, well-educated white people who will assimilate to our culture. Vote Trump.”  - Jared Taylor founder of the white supremacist magazine American Renaissance.

Diversity doesn't have to mean fewer whites in the workforce or college unless the world is a zero sum game.  Reagan said a rising tide lifts all boats.  I think it is possible for the GOP to appeal to minorities without rejecting conservatism, and I think Trump's rush into the arms of nationalist xenophobes is the worst thing to happen to my party in my lifetime.

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“I believe in the GOP Big Tent. We need to unite in 2012. White, black, gay and straight. TeaParty, Social Conservatives, Establishment types, Libertarians and Neo-Cons, alike. We all must find common ground. Not just for the sake of winning this monumental election. But to reclaim the Big Tent, Big Party mantle of the man who united us best, Ronald Reagan.” - Andrew Breitbart.

“I urge you to vote for Donald Trump because he is the one candidate who points out that we should accept immigrants who are good for America,  We don’t need Muslims. We need smart, well-educated white people who will assimilate to our culture. Vote Trump.”  - Jared Taylor founder of the white supremacist magazine American Renaissance.

Diversity doesn't have to mean fewer whites in the workforce or college unless the world is a zero sum game.  Reagan said a rising tide lifts all boats.  I think it is possible for the GOP to appeal to minorities without rejecting conservatism, and I think Trump's rush into the arms of nationalist xenophobes is the worst thing to happen to my party in my lifetime.

Breitbart's comment is spot on. Totally agree with that.

Size of government is a problem in some of this; small is what many want yet at the same time, like healthcare, government programs become entrenched and a lot of people are voting on this.
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Will Trump end up hurting whites as Obama has hurt blacks?

With his predilection for tariffs unfortunately the answer might be "yes".

I understand from Trump supporters that Trump is talking about "making better deals", but really, what that entails is an unknown, so I have go by what he says. And he really seems to like tariffs.

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Will Trump end up hurting whites as Obama has hurt blacks?

With his predilection for tariffs unfortunately the answer might be "yes".

I understand from Trump supporters that Trump is talking about "making better deals", but really, what that entails is an unknown, so I have go by what he says. And he really seems to like tariffs.
Weird, The Tariff boogyman is being blown way out of context as a talking point for the left. Tariffs are the Extreme last resort Trump has discussed, that are the final option if all other trade negotiations, trade correction strategies, etc.,  have failed. If a tariff is imposed it means the Trade is so bad to America and unfix-able the Tariff is the least harmful option to America remaining.
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Will Trump end up hurting whites as Obama has hurt blacks?

With his predilection for tariffs unfortunately the answer might be "yes".

I understand from Trump supporters that Trump is talking about "making better deals", but really, what that entails is an unknown, so I have go by what he says. And he really seems to like tariffs.

I think the black community has done worse under Obama
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Pat Buchanan: Whites Looking to Trump as Blacks Did Obama — 'With Hope' 



The whole idea is creepy and makes my skin crawl
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The whole idea is creepy and makes my skin crawl


The last time I checked the President is supposed to represent everyone.
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Lets have some fun with the liberal race baiters:

How about a commercial about a soap so strong it washes the black off?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq-I0JRhvt4

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/05/27/chinese-commercial-advertises-detergent-strong-enough-wash-off-black-skin-blasted-online-jaw-droopingly-racist/

Maybe they should have used Wong Cleaning Service



and yes I am ridiculing the so called conservatives trolling the Democrat race card attacking Trump on Hilary's behalf.

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Buchanan should just shut the hell up.

You can talk about a loss of traditional American values and harm to the middle class without mentioning race.  It becomes a stronger argument because it appeals to minorities as well.  Even Trump knows that, and doesn't try to make his movement about "white people".
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I've been posting in this forum for at least a year now, perhaps longer, that if the Republicans expect to win the presidency again, that they had best forget about blacks and Hispanics and concentrate on increasing their share of "the white vote".

Just gaining 2-3% more of that vote in several critical states, could tip them in our direction and win the presidency.

And here's the guy to do it. Can't put my finger on exactly why a billionaire would pull support from the working class stiffs (I know because I was one of 'em myself) -- but he does.

Anyway, we're gonna find out if my theory works this November, aren't we...?

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Buchanan should just shut the hell up.

You can talk about a loss of traditional American values and harm to the middle class without mentioning race.  It becomes a stronger argument because it appeals to minorities as well.  Even Trump knows that, and doesn't try to make his movement about "white people".

Absolutely.  Individual liberty has nothing whatsoever to do with race.  It has only to do with individuals and with the freedom of that individual to achieve his or her destiny.

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I've been posting in this forum for at least a year now, perhaps longer, that if the Republicans expect to win the presidency again, that they had best forget about blacks and Hispanics and concentrate on increasing their share of "the white vote".

Just gaining 2-3% more of that vote in several critical states, could tip them in our direction and win the presidency.

And here's the guy to do it. Can't put my finger on exactly why a billionaire would pull support from the working class stiffs (I know because I was one of 'em myself) -- but he does.

Anyway, we're gonna find out if my theory works this November, aren't we...?

The problem with your theory is that Romney got 63% of the white vote in 2012 (the highest percentage ever) and lost.   Trump is not going to increase that number because there are too many whites who would never vote for him.

He can't make it up with Hispanics or Asians or blacks because he's alienated them with his language. 

Trump's got all the white nationalist votes he's going to get.  And all those white kids behind Bernie Sanders are not going to flock to him; they'll go to Hillary.

Don't know what he's going to do to try to increase his percentages, but this slash-and-burn stuff he continues to do is not gaining him ANY additional support.
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As a believer in Providence and our duty to the Sovereign who governs us all, I cannot go with that idea as an ends justifies the means plan.  It is just morally wrong to "forget the black and Hispanics" and focus on the white vote.  I'm old fashioned I guess.  I believe we should articulate Constitutional conservative principles to everyone -- they are good for everyone -- and persuade them that those ideas always have been and always will be superior to the socialist, liberal, leftist nonsense the other side is offering.  That's how we win.  Stop trying to come up with some sneaky strategy.  Instead do and say and be what is right.  Then God who is sovereign over all can bless us again.

Amen to that.  I am forever stuck on the principle that men should be judged based on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.
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Rat Patrol wrote:
"I'm old fashioned I guess.  I believe we should articulate Constitutional conservative principles to everyone -- they are good for everyone -- and persuade them that those ideas always have been and always will be superior to the socialist, liberal, leftist nonsense the other side is offering"
and then said:
"Then God who is sovereign over all can bless us again."

Well, I'll toss back at you a saying that I believe is Biblical in origin:
"Many are called, but few are chosen".

It took me YEARS to understand what that meant, but hey -- I'm thick anyway.

But someday you may realize that no matter how much you try to persuade some folks about "conservative principles", they just aren't going to listen to what you say.

Especially when the other side is rewarding them with free everything, including amnesty and citizenship if they get their way.

If you consider it your "calling" to do the "articulating" as you said above, you had best be prepared when you discover that very few of the non-Euros in America are going to accept what you believe in as their "chosen" values.

To them, the other side is providing the better deal.

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The whole idea is creepy and makes my skin crawl

Me too.  How about just American.  I am so tired of division. 
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The whole idea is creepy and makes my skin crawl

What about the opposite though? BLM and forcing whites to admit their "privilege"? The left wants you forcibly displaced and to learn your "place". Your "tribe" whether you like it or has already been chosen. You have no choice in this. The color of your skin has very much painted a target on your back already whether you care to acknowledge it or not IMO.

Hell even Hillary has been talking up "privilege" lately. What do you think that means? You haven't gotten to where you have on your own accord except on the basis of your skin color. And what do you think the left intend to do about it?

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Here’s a true story. When I was in medical school there was a group of 20-40 students who were self-defined “progressive brown people” (their words, not mine). I was once told by one member of this group that eventually brown people were going to “outnumber white people” and when “Texas goes Democratic” it is going to be “game over for white people”—they will end the hegemony of white culture and tax me so much there will be no privilege left to give my children. They also had some pretty negative things to say about the allegedly vanilla sexual preferences of a married friend of mine. Now these people were drunk, and being a bow tie and tassel loafer wearing milquetoast, I merely raised my eyebrows and walked away. I know it sounds unbelievable, but it happened at a “top 10” medical school party.
I almost posted that story in the AltRight thread. I mean, what are you supposed to do when people think like this? It’s crazy. BLM protested my midnight Mass, which might make sense if I was in SSPV and invited Williamson to say it. When someone says that loving Western culture makes you a “white supremacist”, it’s hard not to shrug and say “yeah, so, what if I am?” Now, I’m not a white supremacist in any meaningful way (heck I voted for Obama, twice, although, I do regret the second vote, and Cardinal Sarah’s new book is on my must read list), but if all that is left is tribal conflict (and I’m not saying that it is), I’m picking my own tribe. Part of the Alt Right’s appeal is that people like David Brooks (and I really do like poor David and don’t mean to make him a punching bag), and to some extent me, is that we aren’t really willing to go to the mat for what we value because we are afraid of being called mean names. Say what you will about the AltRight, and from what I’ve seen they are pretty odious, but the debate on immigration is the first time I’ve seen the Overton Window shifted to the Right on a major issue. And they successfully fought back over GamerGate. The conventional right could probably learn some backbone from them, if nothing else. I don’t see things getting better anytime in the near future. I’m buying 100 acres and a gun.

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 I think it is possible for the GOP to appeal to minorities without rejecting conservatism,



Ah,  still making jokes I see. 




and I think Trump's rush into the arms of nationalist xenophobes is the worst thing to happen to my party in my lifetime.


What is wrong with being an American nationalist?   Perhaps i'm biased by being raised in this country,   but my observation from much study of history leads me to believe that the American experiment has produced the most successful (up till 1964 anyway)  form of government that the world had ever seen.   

Founded on Natural law and a belief in God,  it has produced more good for more people than any other form of government which has ever existed.   



And Xenophobe?   An irrational fear of foreigners?   We have no fear of foreigners,  especially not an irrational one,    but we very much understand that their ideas will recreate the same cesspool sort of government and societies as that from which they are fleeing.   


American ideas solve problem.   Foreign ideas create more socialism and poverty.   

Why would we want any more solicitors of socialism?   How can that possibly do us any good?   


How can that possibly do anyone any good?   


If you could let the people come while leaving their horrible socialist mindsets behind,   then that would be one thing,   but because they will bring socialist and totalitarian mindsets into our nation,   what good are they?   


It's hard enough to fight the D@mned socialists we already have in this country now.   Again,  why would we want any more of them?   




Edit:   Okay,   I see you didn't keep your quotes straight,  and that last part wasn't your words,  even though it wasn't in quotes,    so consider my argument as applying to the original author instead of yourself. 


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I think the black community has done worse under Obama


Everyone has done worse under Obama,   except of course for the High tech industry which is in the midst of a naturally occurring (and therefore having nothing to do with the stupid imbecile they foisted off on the rest of us)  boom,   and his cronies in the "Global Warming"  and "Green Energy"   rackets.   


Crooks and con-men are doing fine under Obama,  but decent folk have been subjugated to massive inflation and collapsing job markets.   

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The last time I checked the President is supposed to represent everyone.

And yet we will wind up with two candidates who are going out of their way to alienate whole demographics.  But on election night either Trump or Clinton will be up there talking about how they want to bring the country together.  Pair of liars.

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Amen to that.  I am forever stuck on the principle that men should be judged based on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.


We have a "Precedent"  that is sitting in that office based on *NOTHING*   but the color of his skin.   


He had no accomplishments.   He had no experience at anything.   He never held a real job in his life beyond dipping ice cream for Baskin Robbins.   

The man is in office because he is black.   Not because he is the best man for the job,   not because he had any high degree of knowledge or intellect.   Obama is the ultimate expression of the "affirmative action"  paradigm.   


He was elected because the thought of a "black"  president gave the media people orgasms.    Obama is the ultimate "virtue Signal"   because he allowed stupid and racist white people to feel good about themselves because they could show how non-racists they were by voting for a "black"  guy.   


The fact that he was an ignorant,  lazy,   stupid,  mouthy, malignant piece of Sh*t human being,   was beside the point.   He was "Black"   and that's all that mattered to the Liberals who run the news and entertainment industries.   


He was "passable"   and so they went with him.   


He has turned out to be a horrible embarrassment,   but the media is so heavily invested in the fiction that this idiot can run a country,   that they have used their power and influence in an effort to keep the pawns from noticing.   


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What is wrong with being an American nationalist?   Perhaps i'm biased by being raised in this country,   but my observation from much study of history leads me to believe that the American experiment has produced the most successful (up till 1964 anyway)  form of government that the world had ever seen.   

Founded on Natural law and a belief in God,  it has produced more good for more people than any other form of government which has ever existed.

There is nothing wrong with being an American Mr. Strawman.  I didn't argue that there is anything wrong with being an American, so I refuse to argue that there is something wrong with being an American.  I have a problem with isolationist nationalists.  Nationalists didn't make America great.

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And Xenophobe?   An irrational fear of foreigners?   We have no fear of foreigners,  especially not an irrational one,    but we very much understand that their ideas will recreate the same cesspool sort of government and societies as that from which they are fleeing.

I know I have no fear of foreigners.  You claim you also have no fear of foreigners but then go on to explain your irrational fear. 

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American ideas solve problem.   Foreign ideas create more socialism and poverty. 

When Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence he substituted a French word "citizen" for the word "subjects."
Your notion that foreign ideas create socialism is sophomoric.

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Why would we want any more solicitors of socialism?   How can that possibly do us any good?   
How can that possibly do anyone any good?

I don't think I can explain all the benefits of immigration to you.   

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Edit:   Okay,   I see you didn't keep your quotes straight,  and that last part wasn't your words,  even though it wasn't in quotes,    so consider my argument as applying to the original author instead of yourself.

I have no idea what you are try to convey with this sentence.

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I know I have no fear of foreigners.  You claim you also have no fear of foreigners but then go on to explain your irrational fear. 


It isn't irrational,   and it does not rise to the level of a "phobia"  which is the word you previously used.   It is completely rational,   and in fact quite sensible.  Did you not grasp the concept that the entire world is more socialist minded than are we?   

Why do we need more socialists?   Especially third world socialists?   



When Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence he substituted a French word "citizen" for the word "subjects."


Yes,  back when those foreign ideas were about moving from Monarchy towards Republicanism.   We did that,  and that was a good idea,  but moving back towards a Socialist/Monarchist apparat is a bad idea, and that's the latest thinking on all the Foreign fronts of which I am aware.   Do you know of one that falls more along the lines of American Republicanism?   

 

Your notion that foreign ideas create socialism is sophomoric.

Your notion that because an idea is foreign,   it must therefore be good,  belies the actually facts that are apparent to anyone who has looked.   There is not another nation in the world that hasn't marched far to the left.   They are all economic basket cases,  they are all less free than we,  and they are all moving faster towards being atheist collapsed societies,  followed by Islamic totalitarianism.   

Your thinking that we can learn anything about societal progress from them is what is sophomoric.   




I don't think I can explain all the benefits of immigration to you.   



I think that's a pretty safe bet.   You can't explain benefits which are non-existent.   Importing more socialists is like drilling another hole in the boat to let out all the water. 


It is stupid in theory and catastrophic in practice. 


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I have no fear of foreigners.

I saw some graphic somewhere for example, that one city in Virginia has seen more of a demographic change in 10 years than most people will see in a 100 years.

Let's at the same time, not get carried away. We are humans too and one wonders if we are meant to be subjected to such drastic changes.