Pat Buchanan: Whites Looking to Trump as Blacks Did Obama — 'With Hope'

[Bigun]

If Trump is the arsonist,  what then is Hillary?   A Super Arsonist?   


Clarify your perspective on this,   because whatever it is that Trump is,   Hillary is far worse.   

Exponentially worse.

Which is worse? Arsenic or Cyanide?

[MBB1984]

The problem with your theory is that Romney got 63% of the white vote in 2012 (the highest percentage ever) and lost.   Trump is not going to increase that number because there are too many whites who would never vote for him.

He can't make it up with Hispanics or Asians or blacks because he's alienated them with his language. 

Trump's got all the white nationalist votes he's going to get.  And all those white kids behind Bernie Sanders are not going to flock to him; they'll go to Hillary.

Don't know what he's going to do to try to increase his percentages, but this slash-and-burn stuff he continues to do is not gaining him ANY additional support.

Trump is currently polling 15% of the black vote in Ohio with another 11% undecided.  Trump could easily get 18% in Ohio and obtain 13-15% of the overall black vote in America.  That would more than double Romney's total.

[MBB1984]

If Trump is the arsonist,  what then is Hillary?   A Super Arsonist?   


Clarify your perspective on this,   because whatever it is that Trump is,   Hillary is far worse.   

Exponentially worse.

Exactly.  Elect Hillary and the Supreme Court will move in a Marxist direction for at least thirty years.  You can kiss the First and Second Amendments goodbye, to say the least.

[MBB1984]

That is not my notion, nor did I say anything like that.  I am tired of arguing the words you put in my mouth.  Hope you had a nice weekend you proud nationalist.

Why do you ridicule those who love their country?

[Formerly Once-Ler]

As usual you are correct again Once-Ler. And you have a gift with words   

Thanx for the kind compliment.

[Oceander]

Why do you ridicule those who love their country?

NSDAP.  Go look it up.  Nationalists can be very dangerous, particularly to their fellow countrymen.

[musiclady]

If Trump is the arsonist,  what then is Hillary?   A Super Arsonist?   


Clarify your perspective on this,   because whatever it is that Trump is,   Hillary is far worse.   

Exponentially worse.

The problem is with your hypothesis, that you have no evidence that Trump will not be the one who is 'exponentially worse.'

There is no 'lesser' with these two evils.

[musiclady]

Why do you ridicule those who love their country?

Nationalism and love of country are not synonymous.

[musiclady]

The left is a pack of racist demagogues, but that doesn't mean we should fight them by being racist demagogues ourselves.

 

But under Trump's "leadership" we are becoming exactly what the left is.

His caricature of a conservative is destroying actual conservatism.

True conservatism has nothing to do with race.  Buchanan's playing the race card like this is despicable.

[roamer_1]

Obama demonstrates that the "Adult"  phase of our nation is long past.   We are entering a "senile"  or "second childhood"  phase of our national existence. 

No, I can assuage myself with the idea (at least) that he is a product of liberalism running against liberalism (Romney). It is my hope that Trump's episode finishes likewise, in that at the least, I can maintain that world view.

The country is stupider than it has ever been in it's history.

Trump - The 'pull my finger' candidate.

I already know what will happen.

[geronl]

Way back in the early 90's I thought Buchanan was sane.

[geronl]

Exactly.  Elect Hillary and the Supreme Court will move in a Marxist direction for at least thirty years.  You can kiss the First and Second Amendments goodbye, to say the least.

Trump wants to control and shut down parts of the internet, he wants to ban criticism of himself in the press, he has been no friend to the Bill of Rights, he has even said security trumps the Bill of the Rights. He has also long been a critic of the 2nd amendment and I think he will appoint liberal judges too.

[musiclady]

Way back in the early 90's I thought Buchanan was sane.

He's been on the edge for a long time.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Buchanan was a geezer in the early 90's. Must be a walking corpse by now.

[HonestJohn]

Ah,  still making jokes I see. 





What is wrong with being an American nationalist?   Perhaps i'm biased by being raised in this country,   but my observation from much study of history leads me to believe that the American experiment has produced the most successful (up till 1964 anyway)  form of government that the world had ever seen.   

Founded on Natural law and a belief in God,  it has produced more good for more people than any other form of government which has ever existed.   



And Xenophobe?   An irrational fear of foreigners?   We have no fear of foreigners,  especially not an irrational one,    but we very much understand that their ideas will recreate the same cesspool sort of government and societies as that from which they are fleeing.   


American ideas solve problem.   Foreign ideas create more socialism and poverty.   

Why would we want any more solicitors of socialism?   How can that possibly do us any good?   


How can that possibly do anyone any good?   


If you could let the people come while leaving their horrible socialist mindsets behind,   then that would be one thing,   but because they will bring socialist and totalitarian mindsets into our nation,   what good are they?   


It's hard enough to fight the D@mned socialists we already have in this country now.   Again,  why would we want any more of them?   




Edit:   Okay,   I see you didn't keep your quotes straight,  and that last part wasn't your words,  even though it wasn't in quotes,    so consider my argument as applying to the original author instead of yourself.

What's an American nationalist?  Is it someone who supports Americans?  Then why all the scapegoating of Muslim Americans?  They are American and American nationalist love Americans.

And what about those "Obama" phones?  Those were given out to Americans.

Judging from the comments here, it's really just another way of saying WASPs.  Everyone else is not 'American'.

[HonestJohn]

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/buchanan/will-there-always-be-an-england/  Posted it in a thread too I guess in the opinions section.

Buchanan's latest. I guess one has to buy into what he says. I read all of those books he wrote, "Suicide of a Superpower", "Death of the West", those books were written 10 or more years ago; but it is what the topic of discussion is now.

Maybe it is Nativism, being like the "know nothings", I've heard it all.

I wish what Buchanan was writing about was not so as much. Then, say, you have Conservatives who come out and say "we've always been a nation of immigrants" and I respect that point of view too.

Buchanon hasn't changed since Buckley tossed him out of the GOP.  He's still the 'polite' bigot, finding anyone not white and Christian to be unfit to be 'American'.

He's penned articles about how Hitler was good for Germany, for Pete's sake! 

That he's looked on as acceptable to the GOP today shows how far the conservative movement and the GOP have regressed from  the days of Reagan.

[DiogenesLamp]

Which is worse? Arsenic or Cyanide?

False comparison.   Trump is more like buttermilk.   Horribly tasting and not necessarily satisfying,  but won't kill you.    Hitlery is like Cyanide.   


Hillary will use the force of government as if it were her own personal Gestapo.   Trump will simply grow the government like a typical old school Democrat,   but he won't be particularly vindictive or angry at any of us.   


Trump will make us sick to our stomach,   but Hillary will try to cut our guts out.   

Hillary is a Nazi. 

[DiogenesLamp]

Trump is currently polling 15% of the black vote in Ohio with another 11% undecided.  Trump could easily get 18% in Ohio and obtain 13-15% of the overall black vote in America.  That would more than double Romney's total.

Trump is far more popular with black people than has been any other Republican  candidate since Eisenhower.  I've seen polls that he can score as much as 25% of the Black vote.   I've seen black people endorsing him.   I think Mike Tyson endorsed him. 


We never see this.   Trump is cutting deep into Democrat territory with his appeal.   He is cutting into their black demographic,  and he is also cutting very strongly into their blue collar Union demographic. 


Trump is going to win in a smash-up  blow-out. 

[DiogenesLamp]

Exactly.  Elect Hillary and the Supreme Court will move in a Marxist direction for at least thirty years.  You can kiss the First and Second Amendments goodbye, to say the least.

How do people not grasp this?   Hitlery will be a horrible disaster.  She will be far worse than Bumbles Odumbo,   and we will end up with a very Gestapo like government trying to impoverish,  imprison  or kill us.   


Yes,  and she will seal in the latest batch of stupidity masquerading as our "court system." 


Trump is a mess,   but Hillary is viciously evil. 

[sinkspur]

False comparison.   Trump is more like buttermilk.   Horribly tasting and not necessarily satisfying,  but won't kill you.    Hitlery is like Cyanide.   


Hillary will use the force of government as if it were her own personal Gestapo.   Trump will simply grow the government like a typical old school Democrat,   but he won't be particularly vindictive or angry at any of us.  


Trump will make us sick to our stomach,   but Hillary will try to cut our guts out.   

Hillary is a Nazi.

So will Trump use the force of government against his enemies: 

Donald Trump versus The First Amendment

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432037/donald-trump-libel-it-not-if-its-true

Trump has ALREADY been vindictive.  Did you pay attention at all to the primaries?

[DiogenesLamp]

NSDAP.  Go look it up.  Nationalists can be very dangerous, particularly to their fellow countrymen.

Nationalists may engage in patriotic wars,   (WWI)   but socialists run death camps.    It is the "Sozialistiche"  aspect of the NSDAP  that made it so evil.   


Oh,   and it's party leadership was mostly homosexual.   People don't seem to understand that about the NAZional soZIalistiche   party. 


They weren't right in the head from the git-go. 

[DiogenesLamp]

The problem is with your hypothesis, that you have no evidence that Trump will not be the one who is 'exponentially worse.'

There is no 'lesser' with these two evils.

Nobody who has looked at the behavior of Hillary Clinton for the last 24 years can conclude that Donald Trump is just as bad.    Do we have a Trump body count?   Do we have Trump using the power of government to investigate their political enemies tax filings?   


Do you know anything about the history of Hitlery Clinton?   


You cannot be serious.   You must be speaking from ignorance,   because seldom has there ever appeared in political movements anyone so hate-filled  viciously evil as Hillary.   


Trump is a freaking boy scout compared to that horrible evil b*tch. 




Yeah,  she was an evil b*tch back in the early 70s too. 

[DiogenesLamp]

What's an American nationalist?  Is it someone who supports Americans?  Then why all the scapegoating of Muslim Americans?  They are American and American nationalist love Americans.

And what about those "Obama" phones?  Those were given out to Americans.

Judging from the comments here, it's really just another way of saying WASPs.  Everyone else is not 'American'.

You seem to be having a conversation with someone other than me,  and it appears you have mistakenly responded to one of my messages.    Perhaps you replied to the wrong thread or something? 

[sinkspur]

 Musiclady is one of the most respected members of this forum, has been here since its inception, and doesn't deserve your insults made from a position of complete arrogance.

You had best climb down off your high horse and dial it back.  Your measly posting history does not give you license to trash one of our most respected members.

If you want to be respected, act like a civilized human being.

[truth_seeker]

Maybe just unrealistic. In simple terms, the next President will be a democrat or a Republican period.

The probability of having more conservative outcomes from democrats versus Republicans is out of the question, whereas the opposite is more probable.

If you want conservative outcomes, probability indicates voting for Republicans, imperfect as they are.