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Your notion that because an idea is foreign,   it must therefore be good, 
That is not my notion, nor did I say anything like that.  I am tired of arguing the words you put in my mouth.  Hope you had a nice weekend you proud nationalist.

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http://www.theamericanconservative.com/buchanan/will-there-always-be-an-england/  Posted it in a thread too I guess in the opinions section.

Buchanan's latest. I guess one has to buy into what he says. I read all of those books he wrote, "Suicide of a Superpower", "Death of the West", those books were written 10 or more years ago; but it is what the topic of discussion is now.

Maybe it is Nativism, being like the "know nothings", I've heard it all.

I wish what Buchanan was writing about was not so as much. Then, say, you have Conservatives who come out and say "we've always been a nation of immigrants" and I respect that point of view too.
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That is not my notion, nor did I say anything like that. 


Close enough as to make a distinction without a difference. 




I am tired of arguing the words you put in my mouth.  Hope you had a nice weekend you proud nationalist.


You are simply dodging questions for which you likely have no answers.   I simply ask what nation on the planet is less socialist than we?   


Your silence argues more powerfully for the truth than do your words.   

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Close enough as to make a distinction without a difference. 
Ridiculous. :laugh:
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You are simply dodging questions for which you likely have no answers.   I simply ask what nation on the planet is less socialist than we?   
Your silence argues more powerfully for the truth than do your words.

Oh.  Do you double dog dare me?  I guess since you beat this dead horse so nicely, I'll take the other side of the argument you have framed for me.

America has tax-payer funded Social Security, unemployment, disability, WIC women infant children aid, public schools,  housing subsidies, Obama phones, and grants for urine art. 

In FY2014 the US spent over $2 Trillion on SS, Healthcare, and other entitlements.

"what nation on the planet is less socialist than we?"
Maybe I'll answer your question with another question.
What nation spends less on social programs than the US?
The answer is all of them.

Not sure what was the point of that silly adventure...unless you are looking for a nice place to get away from the USA and our rampant socialism.   Might I suggest Zimbabwe.  The have a nice strong man nationalist dictator...very little social spending at all...unless you count prison as social spending.  Of course he's not to fond of white people, but hey! You take the good with the bad.  But if Zimbabwe isn't you cup of tea try any nation with a dictator, king, or ayatollah and I'm sure you'll find they treat their poor like the scum they are.

Wikipedia lists about 140 countries with a lower tax rate than the USA, if that helps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates

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Pat Buchanan: Whites Looking to Trump as Blacks Did Obama — 'With Hope'


Like we need more 'Hopey-Changey'... And this time from the side that's supposed to be the 'adults'...

It ain't gonna end well.

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As a believer in Providence and our duty to the Sovereign who governs us all, I cannot go with that idea as an ends justifies the means plan.  It is just morally wrong to "forget the black and Hispanics" and focus on the white vote.  I'm old fashioned I guess.  I believe we should articulate Constitutional conservative principles to everyone -- they are good for everyone -- and persuade them that those ideas always have been and always will be superior to the socialist, liberal, leftist nonsense the other side is offering.  That's how we win.  Stop trying to come up with some sneaky strategy.  Instead do and say and be what is right.  Then God who is sovereign over all can bless us again.

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As a believer in Providence and our duty to the Sovereign who governs us all, I cannot go with that idea as an ends justifies the means plan.  It is just morally wrong to "forget the black and Hispanics" and focus on the white vote.  I'm old fashioned I guess.  I believe we should articulate Constitutional conservative principles to everyone -- they are good for everyone -- and persuade them that those ideas always have been and always will be superior to the socialist, liberal, leftist nonsense the other side is offering.  That's how we win.  Stop trying to come up with some sneaky strategy.  Instead do and say and be what is right.  Then God who is sovereign over all can bless us again.


Very well stated!

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Ridiculous. :laugh:
Oh.  Do you double dog dare me?  I guess since you beat this dead horse so nicely, I'll take the other side of the argument you have framed for me.

America has tax-payer funded Social Security, unemployment, disability, WIC women infant children aid, public schools,  housing subsidies, Obama phones, and grants for urine art. 

In FY2014 the US spent over $2 Trillion on SS, Healthcare, and other entitlements.


We've spent 21 trillion on the  "War on Poverty"  since 1964.   What is your point?    Yes,  we have F***ing socialists running through and through our government,   it is what we are trying to fight.   Well,   at least some of us are trying to fight it. 

 






"what nation on the planet is less socialist than we?"
Maybe I'll answer your question with another question.
What nation spends less on social programs than the US?
The answer is all of them.



Are we now making Democrat style arguments?   As a percentage of their GDP,   all of them spend more.   (except the impoverished ones,  of course.)  The fact that we have more money than do they has nothing to do with it.   The only salient factor is what percentage of their income they spend on social programs.    Your effort to say "all of them"   is deliberately misleading. 







Not sure what was the point of that silly adventure...unless you are looking for a nice place to get away from the USA and our rampant socialism. 


If I knew of such a place  I would go there.   The USA represents the last bastion of sanity in the world,   and it too is losing it's mind.    Oddly enough,   Russia seems to be heading in the opposite direction,  but it has quite a ways to go before I would regard it as completely sane.  Likewise I think the strong man concept of government is too heavily ingrained into the Russian psyche. 



Might I suggest Zimbabwe.  The have a nice strong man nationalist dictator...very little social spending at all...unless you count prison as social spending.  Of course he's not to fond of white people, but hey! You take the good with the bad.  But if Zimbabwe isn't you cup of tea try any nation with a dictator, king, or ayatollah and I'm sure you'll find they treat their poor like the scum they are.


What the h3ll is wrong with you?  Why are you advancing these false and misleading liberal arguments?   Nobody said anything about treating the poor like scum,  but unless you are an idiot,  you have to recognize that our current system is about as wrong headed as it can possibly be.   

People have grown up on welfare and they keep creating generation after generation that will live on the dole.    This is not good for these people,  and it is certainly not good for this nation.   

Franklin had the absolute right of it 240 years ago. 


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“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”



And we have not even got to the point of discussing the fact that our "poverty programs"   have not a D@mn thing to do with helping people.   Their sole purpose from inception to the present is to grab around 10 million votes for the Democrats,   and for that task they have been wildly successful.   

But for improving peoples lives?   Complete and total failure.   They've simply made people's lives worse,  and not just the people for whom they were theoretically helping.    The welfare system has created massive ghettos of fatherless families which produce feral males that feed our crime sprees.   

The people who are paying the bills to create all these unwanted children also have to deal with the offspring produced by such dysfunctional families robbing and murdering them.    We pay to feed them,  and then we end up paying to imprison them,   and for no better purpose than to keep Democrats in power. 


You have a very odd sort of world view for someone who patronizes a conservative website. 
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Like we need more 'Hopey-Changey'... And this time from the side that's supposed to be the 'adults'...

It ain't gonna end well.


Obama demonstrates that the "Adult"  phase of our nation is long past.   We are entering a "senile"  or "second childhood"  phase of our national existence. 


The country is stupider than it has ever been in it's history. 

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I can't believe that I voted for this Shrub in 92..
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What about the opposite though? BLM and forcing whites to admit their "privilege"? The left wants you forcibly displaced and to learn your "place". Your "tribe" whether you like it or has already been chosen. You have no choice in this. The color of your skin has very much painted a target on your back already whether you care to acknowledge it or not IMO.

Hell even Hillary has been talking up "privilege" lately. What do you think that means? You haven't gotten to where you have on your own accord except on the basis of your skin color. And what do you think the left intend to do about it?

Read this:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/retribalizing-america/

You and many principled conservatives are probably "anti-tribal" and I understand that. But the enemy isn't.

Applause can well go here, DL's posts and others here.

Buchanan is probably stating a mere fact, that yes, a lot of whites do like what Trump said and he gives them some energy the way, some people vote for Obama for similar reasons.

This does not exclude that the message is for everyone. 

I see the message on the left to be anti-many-Americans, so this brings in some balance.

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As a believer in Providence and our duty to the Sovereign who governs us all, I cannot go with that idea as an ends justifies the means plan.  It is just morally wrong to "forget the black and Hispanics" and focus on the white vote.  I'm old fashioned I guess.  I believe we should articulate Constitutional conservative principles to everyone -- they are good for everyone -- and persuade them that those ideas always have been and always will be superior to the socialist, liberal, leftist nonsense the other side is offering.  That's how we win.  Stop trying to come up with some sneaky strategy.  Instead do and say and be what is right.  Then God who is sovereign over all can bless us again.

Thank God, Trump or Buchanan said nothing about forgetting the black and Hispanics.

I hope an interpretation of the article is not done in some forced way. And not a self-righteous one that smites Trump or Buchanan.

I suppose the Obama administration said forget white people; well, that's actually open to interpretation too I gather.
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The whole idea is creepy and makes my skin crawl

Me to!

And I am a white man!
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Even on one of the Fox shows; where mainly those women speak, I hardly even watch Fox anymore; they were saying in this time, it seems the white male has been maligned over the past several years. Obama attracted voters likely because of "white guilt" among other factors. I don't think there is anything wrong with Buchanan penning this while it is not exclusive of others. That is a favorable interpretation to browbeat the sentiments Buchanan expressed.

I'd like to see where what Buchanan said was wrong,  that many whites are looking to Trump as Blacks did to Obama. Some such types of followers of course, may not have a healthy interpretation of that message but that happened with blacks too. New Black Panthers at voting booths?
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Buchanan is probably stating a mere fact, that yes, a lot of whites do like what Trump said and he gives them some energy the way, some people vote for Obama for similar reasons.

I think it is as simple as that......at least I hope so.
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You think you're anti-tribal? Lulz...

http://www.examiner.com/article/white-man-who-joins-eric-garner-protest-struck-head-with-hammer-by-blacks

White man who joins Eric Garner protest struck in head with hammer by blacks :



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Sad, that Buchanan has been allowed to opine after this onset of senility.
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I remember when Martin O'Malley had to recant from saying "All Lives Matter" to BLM.

In the end, we are all Americans; I'll vote for he or she who favors the cause of Americans.

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We've spent 21 trillion on the  "War on Poverty"  since 1964.   What is your point?    Yes,  we have F***ing socialists running through and through our government,   it is what we are trying to fight.   Well,   at least some of us are trying to fight it.

You are trying to fight it...with Trump? :silly:
How noble of you.  Sorry you didn't like my answers.


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You are trying to fight it...with Trump? :silly:
How noble of you.  Sorry you didn't like my answers.

Sending Donald Trump to fix Washington is like sending an arsonist to put out a fire!
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You are trying to fight it...with Trump? :silly:



I'm a Cruz supporter.   Now that the more foolish members of the GOP have selected bombastic populist,   we will have to work with the tool we have.   


I don't see Trump as doing anything at all to slow the growth of government,   but I see Hillary accelerating it both in cost and in abusive powers.   








How noble of you.  Sorry you didn't like my answers.



I might like them just fine if I ever hear any.   


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Sending Donald Trump to fix Washington is like sending an arsonist to put out a fire!


If Trump is the arsonist,  what then is Hillary?   A Super Arsonist?   


Clarify your perspective on this,   because whatever it is that Trump is,   Hillary is far worse.   

Exponentially worse.   

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Everyone has done worse under Obama,   except of course for the High tech industry which is in the midst of a naturally occurring (and therefore having nothing to do with the stupid imbecile they foisted off on the rest of us)  boom,   and his cronies in the "Global Warming"  and "Green Energy"   rackets.   


Crooks and con-men are doing fine under Obama,  but decent folk have been subjugated to massive inflation and collapsing job markets.

Quite an excellent post.  You nailed it!

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Sending Donald Trump to fix Washington is like sending an arsonist to put out a fire!

Trump's idea of "fixing Washington" is bigger, badder government with Him in charge.  That's the ""fix"".  He is just as deluded as his fawning cult-members/supporters.
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