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Re: Liberty or Tyranny
« Reply #75 on: April 27, 2016, 04:54:06 pm »
So we start rounding up people and executing them?

They will be rounding us up.

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« Reply #76 on: April 27, 2016, 04:55:12 pm »
I don't see any specific there.

Will you just ignore it again if I repost it again from the last time? Specifically, you vote for what you want. If thats conservative governance, you vote for conservative candidates. You do not vote for leftists and pie in the sky moderates and rationally expect to get the conservatism you claim to want. You vote for Conservative candidates, not spineless pragmatists that by definition, stand for expedience and not conservative beliefs and values.

If you do not vote for conservatives, the responsibility for government shifting left is yours (not just you, ANYONE sharing your position. I mean lets face facts. People that vote for conservatives are following the model enacted by the founders.  People that vote pragmatically place victory over principle. Thats what pragmatic voting is. Thats what pragmatism is. Pragmatic and principled are on opposite ends of the universe.

So you have a choice. If you choose poorly, don't complain about people like Barry running America because it wasn't conservative voters that supported, nominated and failed to elect his pragmatic alternative. Likewise this election, people that choose pragmatism over principle can be again assured that they will do so without the help of conservatives with principle who still believe in the country the founders created.

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« Reply #77 on: April 27, 2016, 04:56:24 pm »
So we start rounding up people and executing them?

They are far more likely to come after us, or try anyway.
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« Reply #78 on: April 27, 2016, 04:57:16 pm »
This discussion is getting so good we might have to split the topic off, even if we have strayed from the thread's intent.


And with that, I'm gonna take the side of the Mods aka Our Gracious Hosts and recommend you all put this in the regular forum.

Or, to put it another way....

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« Reply #79 on: April 27, 2016, 05:00:18 pm »
They are far more likely to come after us, or try anyway.

History shows it's not just likely...It's a dead set certainty.

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« Reply #80 on: April 27, 2016, 05:02:54 pm »
And with that, I'm gonna take the side of the Mods aka Our Gracious Hosts and recommend you all put this in the regular forum.

Or, to put it another way....



Ah, but at TBR we can take entire thread of posts and split them off to a completely new topic thread. We are not static and fixed like the antiquated FR.  :laugh:

I am inquiring about that as we speak.
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« Reply #81 on: April 27, 2016, 05:04:19 pm »
History shows it's not just likely...It's a dead set certainty.

And that's where the Governors come into play, and why our states need to be made as strong as possible, and why I believe in state activism before federal.
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« Reply #82 on: April 27, 2016, 05:04:44 pm »
Gonna start a new thread entitled Liberty or Tyranny using Norm's quote from above as the basis.  See you there!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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« Reply #83 on: April 27, 2016, 05:09:21 pm »
Gonna start a new thread entitled Liberty or Tyranny using Norm's quote from above as the basis.  See you there!

Being CCG and Archaelogy moderator I have spliting and merging powers, would you like me to begin the thread or merge into it?
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« Reply #84 on: April 27, 2016, 05:11:43 pm »
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Any child inherently understands if he goes to the ice cream shop and orders strawberry he will not get chocolate.  Thats simply reality. Likewise, any thinking individual cannot logically conclude they will receive x by putting their support behind Y. The world does not and never has worked that way. To think one gets something by supporting it's opposite is literally madness.

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(To move the discussion from the welcome FR Refugees thread!)
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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« Reply #85 on: April 27, 2016, 05:14:29 pm »
Being CCG and Archaelogy moderator I have spliting and merging powers, would you like me to begin the thread or merge into it?

For us Newbs with Teh StuPidZ in site navigation, what section is this going to? Under members only?

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« Reply #86 on: April 27, 2016, 05:15:24 pm »
Being CCG and Archaelogy moderator I have spliting and merging powers, would you like me to begin the thread or merge into it?

I've already started the thread so please merge if you will! Or. if need be, just do what you have to do and I will pull the one I started down.

Thanks!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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« Reply #87 on: April 27, 2016, 05:16:29 pm »
For us Newbs with Teh StuPidZ in site navigation, what section is this going to? Under members only?

Right now it's in the open forum under Politics.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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« Reply #88 on: April 27, 2016, 05:18:18 pm »
For us Newbs with Teh StuPidZ in site navigation, what section is this going to? Under members only?

CCG is the Cruz Caucus Group. It's under the 2016 Repub and Dem Primaries category. History/Archaelogy is in the General Category list.

CCG - http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/board,101.0.html

H/A - http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/board,94.0.html

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« Reply #89 on: April 27, 2016, 05:18:39 pm »
Right now it's in the open forum under Politics.

Got it. Gracias!

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« Reply #90 on: April 27, 2016, 05:21:20 pm »
Norm Lenhart

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,202939.msg852739.html#msg852739

(To move the discussion from the welcome FR Refugees thread!)

Truly this "Norm Lenhart" fellow is a brilliant yet humble individual ;)

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« Reply #91 on: April 27, 2016, 05:23:33 pm »
Come on down, Lando!  (Do you do dishes?)

Cook. Dishes.  Pool cabana boy...
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« Reply #92 on: April 27, 2016, 05:24:50 pm »
Being CCG and Archaelogy moderator I have spliting and merging powers, would you like me to begin the thread or merge into it?

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« Reply #93 on: April 27, 2016, 05:26:29 pm »
Norm Lenhart

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,202939.msg852739.html#msg852739

(To move the discussion from the welcome FR Refugees thread!)

To expand on that, I am reminded of the quote "We hold these things to be self evident...".

We all get bogged down arguing minutia. But we often lose the big picture completely. There are simply some things we have to agree are 'true' or 'factual' in order for any meaningful discussion or debate to happen. There has to be a starting point.

It does little good to argue conservative value with people that believe that abortion or men in womens' bathrooms is in fact a conservative value. And thats what I'm getting at with the quote you posted.

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« Reply #94 on: April 27, 2016, 05:28:34 pm »
I'm going to split the posts then merge, just going to take a bit.
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« Reply #95 on: April 27, 2016, 05:28:56 pm »
Norm Lenhart

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,202939.msg852739.html#msg852739

(To move the discussion from the welcome FR Refugees thread!)

Norm, I love that.  I'm stealing it.

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« Reply #96 on: April 27, 2016, 05:29:41 pm »
  Pool cabana boy...

Not that there's anything WRONG with that... ;)

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« Reply #97 on: April 27, 2016, 05:30:01 pm »
Truly this "Norm Lenhart" fellow is a brilliant yet humble individual ;)
Yes he is!  Hi Norm! :patriot:
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« Reply #98 on: April 27, 2016, 05:31:17 pm »
To expand on that, I am reminded of the quote "We hold these things to be self evident...".

We all get bogged down arguing minutia. But we often lose the big picture completely. There are simply some things we have to agree are 'true' or 'factual' in order for any meaningful discussion or debate to happen. There has to be a starting point.

It does little good to argue conservative value with people that believe that abortion or men in women's' bathrooms is in fact a conservative value. And thats what I'm getting at with the quote you posted.

I fully understand that Norm!   And it goes to the EXACT problem we are facing here and now! People who claim to be conservative but who are somehow willing to excuse ANYTHING Trumps says or does simply because they don't want Hillary! It makes no sense to me!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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« Reply #99 on: April 27, 2016, 05:32:10 pm »
I'm going to split the posts then merge, just going to take a bit.

KOOL! Thanks!  :beer:
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien