Liberty or Tyranny

[TomSea]

Kind of a random contribution here but I was listening to Medved today and a caller said maybe one reason so many millennials can sympathize with Socialists is because they have no real experience living with a threat as the Soviet Union and Red China were.  So, maybe they want us to become like Denmark or Sweden. (Sigh)

[INVAR]

Kind of a random contribution here but I was listening to Medved today and a caller said maybe one reason so many millennials can sympathize with Socialists is because they have no real experience living with a threat as the Soviet Union and Red China were.  So, maybe they want us to become like Denmark or Sweden. (Sigh)

That is what ALL Fabian Socialists have wanted to turn us into.

Apparently, they succeeded.

Worse is coming.

[TomSea]

That is what ALL Fabian Socialists have wanted to turn us into.

Apparently, they succeeded.

Worse is coming.

Yes, GB would mention them but interestingly, in the '70s, there were the old "Freedom Talk" shows with Harold Munn, there is some info on the web on this; the Fabians were discussed way back then.  I had this book, I'd like to read it again. Of course, it appears one can find it used. The book was sold by the Freedom Talk people and the Focus on the Family pastor, James Dobson worked for them, he probably got a bit of a start there.

[Norm Lenhart]

Agreed.

There are a few like that. They remind me of the little robo-kid in the movie "A.I." praying to the Blue Fairy. Same words over and over and over. Nothing you say will breach their impenetrable wall of belief in their 'rightness'. And like the Robokid, they will continue rehashing their fantasy to an unhearing, uncaring object until their batteries die.

Look at it this way. History shows the useful idiots are the first people taken to the camps when socialists take power. And none are more deserving. Every cloud has a silver lining.

[LMAO]

Look at it this way. History shows the useful idiots are the first people taken to the camps when socialists take power. And none are more deserving. Every cloud has a silver lining.

They're taken to the camps first because the useful idiots become the biggest threat to the false gods they put their faith in when they discover they've been duped.

In my opus on FR, I told JR that if by some miracle Trump wins, he will be the first to regret his vote. But then again, maybe not. Some people are too invested in their false god to ever give them up regardless what they do

[Lando Lincoln]

There are a few like that. They remind me of the little robo-kid in the movie "A.I." praying to the Blue Fairy. Same words over and over and over. Nothing you say will breach their impenetrable wall of belief in their 'rightness'. And like the Robokid, they will continue rehashing their fantasy to an unhearing, uncaring object until their batteries die.

Look at it this way. History shows the useful idiots are the first people taken to the camps when socialists take power. And none are more deserving. Every cloud has a silver lining.

Damn, that's "cheerful" Norm.

But, true.

[Norm Lenhart]

Damn, that's "cheerful" Norm.

But, true.

I am, above all else, a boundless font of positivity, sweetness and light...

Where some see people getting their well earned just rewards as a bad thing, I'm positively thrilled to my core when it happens.

Sarcasm aside, we got to our current state of dysfunction as a country when people stopped being held responsible for their actions. And we won't fix this fiasco until the people who caused it are held to account. Fortunately history shows that although it may be a long time in coming, they ALWAYS get held to account for their actions.

So when the very people who they worked so tirelessly to ensure take power, far be it from me to stand in history's well trod path.

[geronl]

There are a few like that. They remind me of the little robo-kid in the movie "A.I." praying to the Blue Fairy.

@Meshuge Mikey

Calling Mr Photoshop...

[Bigun]

I am, above all else, a boundless font of positivity, sweetness and light...

Where some see people getting their well earned just rewards as a bad thing, I'm positively thrilled to my core when it happens.

Sarcasm aside, we got to our current state of dysfunction as a country when people stopped being held responsible for their actions. And we won't fix this fiasco until the people who caused it are held to account. Fortunately history shows that although it may be a long time in coming, they ALWAYS get held to account for their actions.

So when the very people who they worked so tirelessly to ensure take power, far be it from me to stand in history's well trod path.

ABSOLUTELY and positively RIGHT ON!!

“Nothing is more certain than that a general profligacy and corruption of manners make a people ripe for destruction. A good form of government may hold the rotten materials together for some time, but beyond a certain pitch, even the best constitution will be ineffectual, and slavery must ensue.”

John Witherspoon, The Dominion of Providence Over the Passions of Men, 1776

“No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and Virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders. “


Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren, November 4, 1775

[Norm Lenhart]

“No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and Virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders. “

Which is why the whole 'lesser evil' idiocy always has and always will, result in failure. But people 'know better' and stupidly take that route anyway. Every election. Same excuses. Same screaming tantrums. Same result.

More evil in power and further destruction of the idea that was 'America' that the mental giants just can't seem to explain away. Or take the slightest bit of responsibility for causing.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Which is why the whole 'lesser evil' idiocy always has and always will, result in failure. But people 'know better' and stupidly take that route anyway. Every election. Same excuses. Same screaming tantrums. Same result.

More evil in power and further destruction of the idea that was 'America' that the mental giants just can't seem to explain away. Or take the slightest bit of responsibility for causing.

I actually think the Conservative purity test is the real idiocy, and we knocked out several decent candidates this time around.

[Norm Lenhart]

I actually think the Conservative purity test is the real idiocy, and we knocked out several decent candidates this time around.

Except that no one asked for purity. We asked for conservatism. We hear this excuse every 2 years and thats all it is. An excuse.

[don-o]

Except that no one asked for purity. We asked for conservatism. We hear this excuse every 2 years and thats all it is. An excuse.

Which is why this time is so discouraging to me. "We" got the conservatism option at the top, but the numbers do not look good at all. I voted Cruz in the primary, but, I cannot help but note that his "messaging" is not all that appealing to me. Sharing a platform with Glenn Beck really alarmed me.  I can overlook that, but do not understand it. All I can discern is that he thought Christians could and would rise in his support, but they have not. In fact, people who claim to be Christian are supporting a man who never has repented of his sins.

[Bigun]

Which is why this time is so discouraging to me. "We" got the conservatism option at the top, but the numbers do not look good at all. I voted Cruz in the primary, but, I cannot help but note that his "messaging" is not all that appealing to me. Sharing a platform with Glenn Beck really alarmed me.  I can overlook that, but do not understand it. All I can discern is that he thought Christians could and would rise in his support, but they have not. In fact, people who claim to be Christian are supporting a man who never has repented of his sins.

You have to take into account that the media is actively carrying water for Trump! At least until he gets the nomination that is!

[Free Vulcan]

Which is why this time is so discouraging to me. "We" got the conservatism option at the top, but the numbers do not look good at all. I voted Cruz in the primary, but, I cannot help but note that his "messaging" is not all that appealing to me. Sharing a platform with Glenn Beck really alarmed me.  I can overlook that, but do not understand it. All I can discern is that he thought Christians could and would rise in his support, but they have not. In fact, people who claim to be Christian are supporting a man who never has repented of his sins.

We still got some states that may be friendly to Cruz...Indiana, Montana, Nebraska, possibly some others. Trump needs 300 delegates or so, there are about 500 left, which means he's gotta win around 60%.

And no I've not been happy with Cruz's campaign of late either. He kneejerks too much to what Trump is doing. He needs to set himself apart and get back to message, while point out that Trump isn't going to deliver on the rhetoric, or is a flip-flopper.

[Norm Lenhart]

Which is why this time is so discouraging to me. "We" got the conservatism option at the top, but the numbers do not look good at all. I voted Cruz in the primary, but, I cannot help but note that his "messaging" is not all that appealing to me. Sharing a platform with Glenn Beck really alarmed me.  I can overlook that, but do not understand it. All I can discern is that he thought Christians could and would rise in his support, but they have not. In fact, people who claim to be Christian are supporting a man who never has repented of his sins.

I just managed to dump about 6 paragraphs of reply....The joys of unfamiliar controls on a forum ;)

But in condensed form, ...

Cruz mistook most Christians and most Americans for people of integrity willing to stand behind the crap they spout online and to their friends. The last several elections show that most on the right of America are no more Christian or American in actual deed than the king of Saudi Arabia. "Christians' today are thoroughly infiltrated by the left which is why so many are pro abortion/homo/immigration.

I think Cruz has little choice other than strange alliances since he cannot...CANNOT trust so called conservatives. I think his plan is to win and hold the libs that got him there at bay as best he can. Which would still result in less liberalism being enacted than if Trump wins.

Unfortunately that's a dangerous game to play. But the alternative is stand aside and allow a man with a thoroughly documented life history of leftist support and 'promises' of hard right' positions take power.

Which is why I upgraded my PC, bought a VR headset and am washing my hands of this bastardized mess liberals made of America. We are screwed even if Cruz wins and lives up to his promises because he will be stuck governing a country with almost no one but actual conservatives recognizing his presidency. The handful of us that still draw breath.

[Free Vulcan]

I just managed to dump about 6 paragraphs of reply....The joys of unfamiliar controls on a forum ;)

But in condensed form, ...

Cruz mistook most Christians and most Americans for people of integrity willing to stand behind the crap they spout online and to their friends. The last several elections show that most on the right of America are no more Christian or American in actual deed than the king of Saudi Arabia. "Christians' today are thoroughly infiltrated by the left which is why so many are pro abortion/homo/immigration.

I think Cruz has little choice other than strange alliances since he cannot...CANNOT trust so called conservatives. I think his plan is to win and hold the libs that got him there at bay as best he can. Which would still result in less liberalism being enacted than if Trump wins.

Unfortunately that's a dangerous game to play. But the alternative is stand aside and allow a man with a thoroughly documented life history of leftist support and 'promises' of hard right' positions take power.

Which is why I upgraded my PC, bought a VR headset and am washing my hands of this bastardized mess liberals made of America. We are screwed even if Cruz wins and lives up to his promises because he will be stuck governing a country with almost no one but actual conservatives recognizing his presidency. The handful of us that still draw breath.

As I like to say here...we are past the debt red line. We will be to the point in a few years where the interest on the debt is going to seriously start sapping tax revenue, and that's if interest rates don't spike.

How much economic pain we suffer depends on who's in charge and what steps they take, now. Cruz will be the only one who will even try to deal with that. Anyone else? L²A - Learn to Live Amish.

[musiclady]

As I like to say here...we are past the debt red line. We will be to the point in a few years where the interest on the debt is going to seriously start sapping tax revenue, and that's if interest rates don't spike.

How much economic pain we suffer depends on who's in charge and what steps they take, now. Cruz will be the only one who will even try to deal with that. Anyone else? L²A - Learn to Live Amish.

I live about an hour away from the largest Amish community in the country.

You'd better believe I've thought about joining them considering the debauchery in this country, sanctioned by the left, and now by Trump.

There may be no where else to go............

[Norm Lenhart]

As I like to say here...we are past the debt red line.

One of many lines we crossed. I get that people are hoping beyond hope that a white knight will ride in and fix it. That IMO is the appeal of Trump. It's an illusion because 1: America is too far gone on a number of levels besides, 2: The American PEOPLE are too far gone to salvage as evidenced by their demonstrated actions and 3: There is no genuine desire by a majority to change course.

Some of us here and elsewhere very much want course correction. But we are a small minority and as firm as our beliefs, actions and principles may be, we are few and no one wants to stand with us.

It sucks. Royally. But it is demonstrated reality. We absolutely should do all within our power to fight for the America our countrymen pissed away. But we are simply too few to alter the course they set America on.

[Free Vulcan]

I live about an hour away from the largest Amish community in the country.

You'd better believe I've thought about joining them considering the debauchery in this country, sanctioned by the left, and now by Trump.

There may be no where else to go............

They are the next county over (and a few on the edge of mine) just a few miles away. I'm gunning for property in the middle of that as we speak, if I can find something affordable. I already got most of the skills.

When the welfare gravy train gets cut back, and it will have to get cut back to pay interest or default, then it gets interesting.

[INVAR]

I actually think the Conservative purity test is the real idiocy, and we knocked out several decent candidates this time around.

We have practiced choosing the "lessor of evils" in every national election since Reagan and the country has gone hard Left and taken over in a velvet coup by Marxists.

If Principles are easily discarded for expedience, then they were never Principles to begin with, and morals and cores will be as lightweight as a dandelion seed caught in the breeze; it will fly wherever the wind blows, and the only anchor will be to gravitate to raw power and control.

We used to call that tyranny by the way.

Castigating Principles as idiocy is how we have arrived where this nation finds itself in the first place.

[Norm Lenhart]

In many ways, the transgendered bathroom controversy is an excellent illustration of the Conservative movement in America: a whole lot of people who are not Conservative and can give a rat's ass about the Constitution identify as Conservatives and demand to be seen that way.

Snowflakes. They are not discernible from BLM or the average college student today in mindset. So they will get the country they fought so desperately to bring about. Sucks for us, but I sleep well knowing that their fall will be spectacular.

Can't stop it. Might as well enjoy the view.

[Bigun]

We have practiced choosing the "lessor of evils" in every national election since Reagan and the country has gone hard Left and taken over in a velvet coup by Marxists.

If Principles are easily discarded for expedience, then they were never Principles to begin with, and morals and cores will be as lightweight as a dandelion seed caught in the breeze; it will fly wherever the wind blows, and the only anchor will be to gravitate to raw power and control.

We used to call that tyranny by the way.

Castigating Principles as idiocy is how we have arrived where this nation finds itself in the first place.

VERY well stated and ABSOLUTELY true! 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

We have practiced choosing the "lessor of evils" in every national election since Reagan and the country has gone hard Left and taken over in a velvet coup by Marxists.

I don't think it has much to do with ideology. We put up a bunch of unappealing candidates and we lost. Dems did the same thing during the Reagan years. Ideology isn't that relevant when deciding electibility.

If Principles are easily discarded for expedience, then they were never Principles to begin with, and morals and cores will be as lightweight as a dandelion seed caught in the breeze; it will fly wherever the wind blows, and the only anchor will be to gravitate to raw power and control.

We used to call that tyranny by the way.

Castigating Principles as idiocy is how we have arrived where this nation finds itself in the first place.

Principles are good, but the reality of living a democracy (we are a democratic republic) is that electibility is always, always an issue. What good is it to remain firm on your principles but lose mindlessly every 4 years? I don't see the value in that.

Balance, we need balance.

[Smokin Joe]

Seems like it's a little of both. But the perfect conservative candidate is an illusion, and the purity test is a ruse cooked up by talk radio hosts to keep people nice and angry.

Purity is good, at least in an ideological sense. In Personal behaviour, and in business or political dealings purity indicates the ability of that person to adhere to that ideology. While it is easy to decry the concept of the candidate who is 100% what is desired as the "perfect standing in the way of the good", consider that some things are deal breakers. Some candidates have everything but that one thing which breaks the deal.

For instance, if you have not seen this, wait for the song. It provides a shining example of that sort of situation. (WARNING: mild language and sexual references).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4_Bxqp2tQU

All in fun mind you, and with no intent to offend anyone.