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The Party of Reagan Is No More
« on: March 27, 2016, 12:50:31 am »


Once known for common sense, the GOP gives way to Donald Trump

With the death on March 6 of a dignified First Lady–an influential cultural figure in her own right and the devoted keeper of her husband’s flame–both Ronald and Nancy Reagan have now passed into history. Increasingly, it appears, the same can be said of the party they took such care in shaping.

The most obvious evidence of this is the rise of Donald Trump, a man who is the antithesis of so much that Ronald Reagan stood for: intellectual depth and philosophical consistency, respect for ideas and elevated rhetoric, civility and personal grace. The fact that Trump is the favorite to win the Republican presidential nomination shows how far the GOP has drifted from the animating spirit of the most consequential and revered Republican since Abraham Lincoln.
Trump’s attempt at a hostile takeover is not a thunderclap on a cloudless day. It was years in the making. And when the mantle worn by Reagan might be settling on the likes of Trump, this end-of-an-era moment demands that we reflect on what has happened to our Republican Party.

For those of us open to such self-examination–to understanding what conditions gave rise to Trump and Trumpism–the explanation starts with certain harmful habits. These include employing apocalyptic rhetoric, like the assertion that America is on the verge of becoming Nazi Germany. Such reckless language is evidence of fevered and disordered minds and paves the way for Trump’s incendiary rhetoric.

But that’s hardly the whole of it. Republicans embraced the political knife-fighting tactics of Newt Gingrich in the 1990s and light-as-air political figures like Sarah Palin in the 2000s. Many Republicans–including self-proclaimed “constitutional conservatives”–began to speak of compromise as a synonym for capitulation, which is odd given that the Constitution itself was the result of a whole series of accommodations–and Reagan was a gifted compromiser. (In the debate over the Constitution, there was even a deal struck that came to be known as the Great Compromise, by which every state was to have two members in the U.S. Senate, offsetting proportional representation in the House.) Republicans became suspicious too of the “spirit of moderation” that James Madison argued is essential in understanding which measures are in the public good. What many modern Republicans are looking for is conflict, confrontation, the politics of the cage match.

At some point along the way, it became fashionable in the Republican Party–in some quarters, anyway–to replace reason with rage, to deny science when it was at odds with ideology and to cheer mindless stunts like shutting down the federal government rather than responsibly managing and relimiting it.

Voters are complicit in this too; many of them have come to confuse cruelty, vulgarity and bluster with strength and straight talk. And Republican lawmakers compounded a problem they had promised to solve, promoting rather than ending corporate welfare and crony capitalism.
There’s another explanation as well–political and intellectual sclerosis, by which I mean the failure to apply enduring principles to changing circumstances. This is something that Reagan did quite well. He developed a policy agenda–on taxes, monetary policy and regulations–that addressed the problems of his era, including high inflation, high interest rates and high unemployment. He understood the hardships facing ordinary Americans. He gave voice to them. And he offered concrete solutions to them. He adjusted to the realities of his time.

Ronald Reagan’s heirs have been decidedly less skilled at doing so.

One reason for this is that Reagan was so successful. The shadow he cast was so large that many of the Republicans who followed him could not escape it. For them, every year was 1981. Every problem could be solved by simplistically applying Reagan’s policy to it, even if the situations were not remotely comparable. (When Reagan took office, the inflation rate was in the double digits. Today it is less than 2%.) Republicans became uncreative and intellectually lazy. They placed themselves in an ideological straitjacket, trying to be more Reagan than Reagan (for example, promising they would not raise any taxes under any conditions for any amount of spending cuts). In the process, they became captive to the past.

As a result, too many Republicans lost touch with ordinary Americans. They had almost nothing to say about wage stagnation, the struggles of working-class Americans, the lack of social mobility, soaring tuition and health care costs, and how to extend health insurance to the uninsured. They were unable to explain, let alone address, huge structural changes caused by globalization, advances in technology and automation, which had harsh effects on low-skill workers. Blue collar Americans in particular felt unheard, ignored, abandoned.

Out of all this has emerged an opportunistic populist by the name of Trump.

It’s still too early to know what will come of all this. If Trump wins the nomination, he will go some distance toward undoing the influence of Reagan on the modern Republican Party–on policies like trade and immigration, in its commitment to limited government and cultural renewal, and in its concern for justice. Just as significant would be the dramatic change in tone, countenance and ethos. We are in the process of seeing the grace and joie de vivre of Reagan replaced by the crass and cruel insults, the obsessive Twitter attacks and the vindictiveness of Trump. The party of Lincoln and Reagan would be led by a man who embraces, at least in part, the ethics of Nietzsche.

Trump still has a ways to go before securing the nomination. (To date, roughly two-thirds of Republican primary voters are voting against him.) Yet even if he succeeds, many of us who are children of the Reagan revolution will not go gently into the good night. We will not vote for Trump under any circumstances, even if he is the nominee; what’s more, we will do everything in our power to reclaim the Republican Party from this demagogic and authoritarian figure.

This does not mean the mechanical imposition of Reagan-era policies, but it does mean being guided by conservative principles that seek to limit the size and reach of the state, that take into account human nature, defend human dignity and promote human flourishing. It means articulating an enduring vision of a limited government “sustaining the space for society to thrive in an age of social fragmentation and weakening institutions,” in the words of Yuval Levin, whose forthcoming book The Fractured Republic grapples with these issues. And just as important, it means recapturing the spirit of Reagan–making our Republican Party a welcoming party once again, inclusive and open, united in its commitment to American ideals, hopeful about the future and attractive to working-class Americans. The kind of party, in other words, that Ronald and Nancy Reagan would be proud of.

http://time.com/4253747/the-party-of-reagan-is-no-more/
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Re: The Party of Reagan Is No More
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2016, 12:58:50 am »
I saw this Time Magazine cover at the pharmacy tonight and I immediately felt a deep pain inside. I had a lump in my throat, seriously. Reality has set in. One man who is like no candidate that ever ran, has chiseled the epithet R.I.P GOP in stone that could very well last for eternity. Will we ever see a scene like what is on this cover again? Is the Party now truly divided, with Trump Supporters and those of us that can't support him separated forever? Pray for America. Pray for healing of this Great Nation, no matter what happens in November.
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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2016, 01:29:24 am »
The writers at TIME have no actual ability to understand anything truly conservative as it applies to politics.  They have no clue whatsoever.  Everything is viewed by them through a leftist lens.  Still, the basic point, that the party of Reagan is no more, if not true, is very likely to soon be true.  Trump won't revive it.  Kasich won't revive it.  Cruz might, but it will still be a battle every step of the way.  The enemies of Reagan style constitutional conservatism are many, both within and without the GOP.

What is the Reagan style constitutional conservatism you speak of? 
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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2016, 01:33:41 am »
Reagan was warm, likable, optimistic, folksy.

Sounds like the opposite of the Donald.

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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2016, 02:04:29 am »
What is the Reagan style constitutional conservatism you speak of?


Reagan, For Those Under 40    

Written June 11, 2004
By John Carlson (KVI Talk Radio host and Conservative commentator)

This may sound shocking to anyone under 40, but 25 years ago, a lot of serious people were seriously wondering whether America’s best days were already past us. Time magazine ran a cover story asking “Where have all the Heroes Gone?” Inflation was 12%, Unemployment over 7% and both were rising simultaneously, giving birth to a new term, “stagflation”. Gasoline was just as expensive as it is today (accounting for inflation), except there wasn’t much to buy and long lines snaked around the block. Articles in respected magazines and newspapers asked whether the American Presidency was “too big a job for just one person”. American soldiers weren’t the good guys. Just watch any war movie made in the mid-to late 70’s. If our guys weren’t bad, they were distraught, discouraged, crazy or suicidal. Just 10 short years before becoming the world’s only Superpower, America seemed paralyzed after Vietnam while the Soviet empire expanded throughout the Third World. And it wasn’t just the Communists pushing us around. Millions of Americans watched Islamic militants sack the American embassy in Iran and march 52 blindfolded American hostages in front of television cameras. They wouldn’t release them for over 400 days. In the Spring of 1979, President Jimmy Carter delivered one of the most unusual presidential speeches ever delivered from the White House. Known today as the “Malaise” speech, its theme was that America was suffering a “crisis of the spirit”. Even Democrats were not impressed. Carter was challenged for renomination by Senator Ted Kennedy. Carter won (or Kennedy lost, more accurately), but his party was divided and his nation was despondent. Enter Ronald Reagan. Against this somber background, Reagan insisted that America’s brightest days were still in front of us, not behind us. He rejected the Vietnam syndrome, instead declaring that America was not the cause of corruption and evil abroad, but the cure for it, particularly in facing down Soviet communism. As for solving problems at home, we didn’t need the government to do more, we needed it to do less. The size, girth and expense of government was the problem, not the solution. In an era preoccupied with the “complexity” of insoluble problems, Reagan said “There are simple solutions - just not easy ones.” Sophisticated people found Reagan, well....... unsophisticated. Also naïve, not all that bright, and much too hard line. But Reagan was telling Americans what they wanted to hear and what they wanted to believe about their country. And when they elected him by a 41 State landslide, he went to work doing what he said he would do. He said his program to cut income taxes, government regulation and domestic government spending would unleash a rising tide of jobs, prosperity and opportunity. It did. He said that deregulating oil prices would lower the price of gasoline and end the “energy crisis”. It did. He said he would fire the air traffic controllers who were illegally striking if they didn’t return to work. He did. As for dealing with the Soviets, Reagan said that his program of vastly increasing military spending, planting Pershing missiles in NATO countries and aiding anti-Soviet rebels throughout the Third World would one day relegate Marxist Leninism to “the ash heap of history”. This was too much for his critics, made up of a big chunk of Congress, most university professors, and much of the national news media. They regarded Reagan as either dumb, a warmonger or both, and they insisted that his policies would trigger a never-ending arms race and perhaps lead to the unthinkable – a nuclear war. When Reagan announced his support for a space-based system to defend the country from a nuclear strike, tensions rose even higher. ABC aired a movie, “The Day After”, about America under nuclear attack. The “nuclear freeze” movement in 1984 was every bit as intense and its demonstrations every bit as large as the anti-Iraq-War movement is in 2004. History has yet to render a verdict on Iraq, but we already know who was right about the Soviets. The dumb warmonger won the Cold War without firing a shot. And soldiers were the good guys in the movies again. Martin Sheen and Marlon Brando in “Apocalypse Now” gave way to Tom Cruise and Tom Skerrit in “Top Gun”. But Reagan did more than unlock the American economy and liberate millions of people from Communist captivity. He gave America back its smile. His sense of humor helped, but so did his belief that political differences weren’t personal differences, a sentiment that seems to have gone missing on both sides in recent years. Where should history rank Reagan? Probably as the greatest President in the last 50 years because, like Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Reagan defined and ignited an entire political movement. For FDR it was New Deal liberalism. For Reagan, American conservatism. Before Reagan, conservatism was instinctively reactive and mostly negative: stop spending on this, don’t do that, etc. Reagan made it both positive and pro-active - a movement based on core beliefs and clear ideas. As Ted Kennedy, of all people, put it, Reagan “wrote most of these ideas not only into law, but into the national consciousness.” Dozens of conservative think tanks and more than 40 state-based policy centers around the country are daily churning out ideas for policymakers based on free markets, limited government and personal responsibility. Reaganism lives on. Today we take it for granted in America that great days are still in front of us. We take for granted that lower taxes will stimulate growth. We take for granted that the best way to deal with deadly adversaries is to stand up to them, not make excuses for them. 25 short years ago, Americans didn’t take any of those things for granted. That’s what Reagan changed. 
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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2016, 02:07:36 am »
Millennial, right?



Just a little guess but, based on his handle - MACVSOG68 - I kinda don't think MACVSOG68 is a millennial.

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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2016, 02:22:41 am »
A-Lert and Sinkspur:  please don't spoil a serious article with childish spats.  A-Lert, please don't start these fights.  Sinkspur, please don't give in to provocation.  Your posts will be edited completely because they didn't add anything to the conversation.  Please don't do it again.

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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2016, 02:25:03 am »
Just a little guess but, based on his handle - MACVSOG68 - I kinda don't think MACVSOG68 is a millennial.

Military Assistance Comand Vietnam, Special Operations Group,  68!  NOT a millennial! Far from it!
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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2016, 02:26:55 am »
It belies a truth to say that the party of reagan is no more: the people the GOP needs to vote have no concept of reagan. I barely remember the guy myself, was 4 when he was inaugurated, I just remember things like the challenger etc.

When I see GOP candidates arguing over which one emulates Reagan I can picture millennials and younger Gen-xers, like me but uninformed, scratching their head. Millennials have no concept of reagan, all they know about the 1980's is what their parents or professors or teachers have told them about it.

It's just another way the conservative movement is out of touch and lives in it's own bubble. Trump is another symptom, although I have seen a lot of younger people at his rallies.

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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2016, 02:27:01 am »
A-Lert and Sinkspur:  please don't spoil a serious article with childish spats.  A-Lert, please don't start these fights.  Sinkspur, please don't give in to provocation.  Your posts will be edited completely because they didn't add anything to the conversation.  Please don't do it again.

I posted a serious reply to the article and was attacked by Sinkspur.

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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2016, 02:28:02 am »
A-Lert and Sinkspur:  please don't spoil a serious article with childish spats.  A-Lert, please don't start these fights.  Sinkspur, please don't give in to provocation.  Your posts will be edited completely because they didn't add anything to the conversation.  Please don't do it again.

He's on ignore. No more problem with that problem from me.
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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2016, 02:33:17 am »
He's on ignore. No more problem with that problem from me.

Thank you very much.  We all appreciate it.

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« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2016, 02:34:21 am »
I posted a serious reply to the article and was attacked by Sinkspur.

Please drop it.

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« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2016, 02:37:47 am »
You may be right. However he may rather prefer that title, because the other alternative for a "conservative" who no longer appreciates the Reagan years is what I call someone suffering from "Grumpy old-fart syndrome".

I asked a simple question to get a conversation started based on the OP and a couple of comments, not to engage in any
Crap about my appreciation of Reagan or my age.  So let's just leave it at that.
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« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2016, 02:39:43 am »
Here is another reason why the Party of Reagan Is No More.

http://thehill.com/video/campaign/204565-bill-kristol-better-for-the-republican-party-if-ron-paul-left-gop-



Bill Kristol: 'Better for the Republican Party' if Ron Paul left GOP


By Geneva Sands - 01/17/12 05:47 PM EST

"I think it would be better for the Republican Party if he left the Republican Party," Kristol said on C-SPAN's "Washington Journal" Tuesday.

Kristol, the founder and editor of The Weekly Standard, argued that Paul's fellow candidates and others in the GOP are wasting time and energy trying to prevent Paul from running as a third-party candidate by placating his candidacy and giving his views credibility.

He compared Paul to former Republican presidential candidate Pat Buchanan, telling C-SPAN that Republicans unsuccessfully tried to keep him from leaving the party.

Buchanan ran as an insurgent conservative against more establishment candidates in 1992 and 1996. Although he pulled a huge upset in New Hampshire by besting Bob Dole, he failed to win the nomination, eventually leaving the party and running on the Reform Party ticket in 2000.

"A lot of people, and I was one of them, said goodbye and good riddance. You’re not in the mainstream of the Republican Party, go run as a Reform Party candidate, as an independent candidate," Kristol said, referring to Buchanan.

Kristol claimed that Buchanan's departure helped the Republican Party because his views differed so far from the mainstream.

"Ron Paul’s a little different from Pat Buchanan, but he’s no better, in my view, and I actually think the Republican Party will be benefited in the long run, but even in the short run," he said.

Paul, who has remained loyal to his themes of civil liberty, fiscal conservatism and limited government throughout the primary process, has denied interest in a third-party candidacy and has said he will remain in the Republican Party.

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« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2016, 02:40:47 am »
I asked a simple question to get a conversation started based on the OP and a couple of comments, not to engage in any
Crap about my appreciation of Reagan or my age.  So let's just leave it at that.

You should know by now that intelligent  conversation with Trump supporters is difficult.

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« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2016, 02:43:18 am »
I asked a simple question to get a conversation started based on the OP and a couple of comments, not to engage in any
Crap about my appreciation of Reagan or my age.  So let's just leave it at that.

I removed my comment about age. Hopefully we can get this thread back on topic.
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« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2016, 02:45:00 am »
Bigun:  since I decided to police this thread (I don't know why), I'm going to ask you to rein it in as well.  Please try to be a little more constructive, at least for tonight.

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« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2016, 02:47:36 am »
Let's face it, the party changed from Coolidge to Goldwater to Reagan. I think if Reagan were still alive he'd realize there'd need to be some changing, but I also think he wouldn't agree with throwing the baby out with the bathwater either. Which we seem to have done a bit.

I think conservatives have become a little too doctrinaire, which is fine in principle, but not in message. While I don't care for Trump's campaign tactics, the one thing he has done right is hit on Populism, and articulated things people have felt.

Now if we could get a real conservative who could do the same thing - not unlike Reagan - we'd really have something. I think if Reagan were alive he'd tell us we need to market ourselves better and speak the people's language.

That to me is the biggest thing we have thrown out that Reagan did right.

Addendum: and by damn we need to get much much better at strategy.
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« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2016, 02:52:57 am »
Ronald Reagan said to Republicans back in 1967:

    Ronald Reagan knew how to unite Americans

    “Fortunately for those millions of concerned citizens, we too had paused to take inventory.  We discovered we could no longer afford the luxury of internal fighting, backbiting and throat-cutting.  We discovered our philosophical difference with those presently in power was greater than any grudge or split within our own ranks.  We’re ready and in position to offer an alternative for those concerned citizens who wanted to join with others, not to win a contest, but to preserve a way of life.”