Author Topic: Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US (Read 26119 times)

Carling · « **Reply #25 on:** December 08, 2015, 02:49:27 am »

Quote from: NavyCanDo on December 08, 2015, 02:05:21 am

Except for the one thing that prevents us from becoming the Nazis of 1933 – it’s called the First Amendment. Such a loathsome boar, and unfortunately there is nothing remotely funny about him anymore.

How does the First Amendment apply to halting the immigration of citizens/"refugees" from Muslim countries?

We didn't accept Japanese immigrants or anything other than German/Austrian Jewish immigrants during the WWII era. Did that make us "Nazis?"

What an odd post. Kind of dumb, actually, unless I'm missing something.

NavyCanDo · « **Reply #26 on:** December 08, 2015, 02:51:26 am »

Quote from: Carling on December 08, 2015, 02:49:27 am

How does the First Amendment apply to halting immigration from Muslim countries?

We didn't accept Japanese immigrants or anything other than German/Austrian Jewish immigrants during the WWII era. Did that make us "Nazis?"

Nazis, no. Facist very very close we came.

Carling · « **Reply #27 on:** December 08, 2015, 02:52:19 am »

Quote from: NavyCanDo on December 08, 2015, 02:49:09 am

Freedom of Speech? Have you ever read the First Amendment? Well the Supreme Court has - and Trump does not have a snowball's chance in hell of getting this one done.

The United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting ...

Um, the US Constitution applies to citizens of the United States. How does it apply to citizens of other countries?

Bizarre reasoning, at the very least.

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #28 on:** December 08, 2015, 02:53:09 am »

Quote from: Carling on December 08, 2015, 02:49:27 am

How does the First Amendment apply to halting the immigration of citizens/"refugees" from Muslim countries?

That's the question Carling. And it's a damn good one.

Carling · « **Reply #29 on:** December 08, 2015, 02:54:05 am »

Quote from: NavyCanDo on December 08, 2015, 02:51:26 am

Nazis, no. Facist very very close we came.

We were fighting facism.

You actually sound like Neville Chamberlain, or FDR before the events of today 74 years ago at Pearl Harbor, when FDR reluctantly entered the USA into WWII.

Are you sure you're on the right board?

Bigun · « **Reply #30 on:** December 08, 2015, 02:54:47 am »

Donald Trump.

Not ready for prime time and everybody (well almost) knows it!

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #31 on:** December 08, 2015, 02:55:33 am »

Quote from: NavyCanDo on December 08, 2015, 02:49:09 am

The United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting ...

Would you prefer we stop "immigration/refugees" by country? We can do that.

DCPatriot · « **Reply #32 on:** December 08, 2015, 02:56:00 am »

Quote from: Carling on December 08, 2015, 02:49:27 am

How does the First Amendment apply to halting the immigration of citizens/"refugees" from Muslim countries?

We didn't accept Japanese immigrants or anything other than German/Austrian Jewish immigrants during the WWII era. Did that make us "Nazis?"

What an odd post. Kind of dumb, actually, unless I'm missing something.

Exactly.....lately it's like I'm reading a bunch of babbling loons.

DCPatriot · « **Reply #33 on:** December 08, 2015, 02:57:13 am »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on December 08, 2015, 02:53:09 am

That's the question Carling. And it's a damn good one.

That was my question too....

....bunch of loons and freaks.

Carling · « **Reply #34 on:** December 08, 2015, 02:59:54 am »

Quote from: DCPatriot on December 08, 2015, 02:57:13 am

That was my question too....

....bunch of loons and freaks.

Unless they read it as Trump saying he's banning Islam for US citizens, which he didn't, it's the most stupid criticism I've seen of Trump as of yet, and that's quite the achievement.

Carling · « **Reply #35 on:** December 08, 2015, 03:00:20 am »

Looks like the ripcord already got pulled on this thread by the TDS gang.

Even more odd it came on Pearl Harbor day, where the US actually did take measures against allowing immigration from enemy countries, even if they weren't themselves soldiers.

Hell, we even rounding up the Japanese and put them into prison camps in the USA.

Carling · « **Reply #36 on:** December 08, 2015, 03:05:35 am »

Quote from: Machiavelli on December 08, 2015, 01:53:53 am

Donald Trump's call to ban Muslim immigrants is based on a very shoddy poll

Philip Bump
The Washington Post
December 7, 2015

Full article

I have unbridled contempt for the SPLC, however, I know nothing about the Center for Security Policy, so I can neither approve of them nor condemn them.

Now we're quoting the hate-group SPLC to smear GOP candidates. This place is turning into DU or DailyKos with the wild-eyed liberal sources and talking points.

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #37 on:** December 08, 2015, 03:06:07 am »

Quote from: DCPatriot on December 08, 2015, 02:57:13 am

That was my question too....

....bunch of loons and freaks.

This primary season will be the times to try our souls.

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #38 on:** December 08, 2015, 03:09:24 am »

Quote from: Bigun on December 08, 2015, 02:54:47 am

Donald Trump.

Not ready for prime time and everybody (well almost) knows it!

Why? Because he speaks the truth without a PC filter? (Serious question)

DCPatriot · « **Reply #39 on:** December 08, 2015, 03:09:37 am »

Quote from: Carling on December 08, 2015, 03:00:20 am

Looks like the ripcord already got pulled on this thread by the TDS gang.

Even more odd it came on Pearl Harbor day, where the US actually did take measures against allowing immigration from enemy countries, even if they weren't themselves soldiers.

Hell, we even rounding up the Japanese and put them into prison camps in the USA.

Exactly what I asked in reply #20.

Notice as soon as we confront them, they run just like cockroaches when a light is turned on?

Bigun · « **Reply #40 on:** December 08, 2015, 03:13:09 am »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on December 08, 2015, 03:09:24 am

Why? Because he speaks the truth without a PC filter? (Serious question)

No. That I like.

He just doesn't understand and doesn't seem to care how our government is supposed to work. Serious answer.

Besides which I simply DO NOT TRUST him.

Carling · « **Reply #41 on:** December 08, 2015, 03:16:53 am »

Quote from: Bigun on December 08, 2015, 03:13:09 am

He just doesn't understand and doesn't seem to care how our government is supposed to work. Serious answer.

What about the article posted in the OP shows he doesn't understand how our government works? The loudest critic in this thread says it's a First Amendment issue, which I fail to see how that can all be the case. If anything it's stupid in this thread, which was your criticism of Trump, it's that line of reasoning.

That shows to me a lack in understanding how our government is supposed to work, and any Trump criticisms by NavyCanDo from this point forward will be dismissed by me unless he addresses how the First applies to immigration law. It's an absurd argument.

Do you have any examples of Trump's apparent ignorance of how our currently dysfunctional government, that I've read you post many times isn't working, is supposed to work?

Are you happy with how government is working today?

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #42 on:** December 08, 2015, 03:17:23 am »

Quote from: Bigun on December 08, 2015, 03:13:09 am

No. That I like.

He just doesn't understand and doesn't seem to care how our government is supposed to work. Serious answer.

Besides which I simply DO NOT TRUST him.

Okay...a thoughtful answer. Here's my question: what's upsetting you so much about stopping immigrants/refugees from ISIS rich countries---especially since we do not have the means or the will to vet them?

Bigun · « **Reply #43 on:** December 08, 2015, 03:20:58 am »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on December 08, 2015, 03:17:23 am

Okay...a thoughtful answer. Here's my question: what's upsetting you so much about stopping immigrants/refugees from ISIS rich countries---especially since we do not have the means or the will to vet them?

Who said I was upset?

In fact this is one of the things I agree with Rand about.

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #44 on:** December 08, 2015, 03:21:53 am »

Quote from: Bigun on December 08, 2015, 03:20:58 am

Who said I was upset?

In fact this is one of the things I agree with Rand about.

Do you agree with Trump on this?

Scottftlc · « **Reply #45 on:** December 08, 2015, 03:22:02 am »

I knew this would be an entertaining thread!

Applying the Constitution to foreign nationals who have never set foot in America...the whole world is America now I guess. Bringing in The Japanese internment of American citizens when we are talking here about temporarily stopping those foreign nationals from entering (largely to totally unvetted, as we've already proven) while we get a handle on our refugee, visa and immigration systems...not to mention passing judgement on our own leaders in WW2 facing an existential threat.

I always said that liberals - the left - would happily go to their deaths, and cause all of our deaths, for their nice, sweet sensibilities that are oh, so fine in times of peace and safety. I was unaware that conservatives would fall into that camp as well...simply out of foggy hatred for one individual.

Bigun · « **Reply #46 on:** December 08, 2015, 03:27:38 am »

Quote from: Carling on December 08, 2015, 03:16:53 am

Do you have any examples of Trump's apparent ignorance of how our currently dysfunctional government, that I've read you post many times isn't working, is supposed to work?

Are you happy with how government is working today?

Yes I do. He seems to think he will be able to just rule by decree .

Most assuredly not! Which is precisely why we can't have someone who would simply continue the dysfunction!

Bigun · « **Reply #47 on:** December 08, 2015, 03:28:27 am »

Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on December 08, 2015, 03:21:53 am

Do you agree with Trump on this?

No. I do not.

Right_in_Virginia · « **Reply #48 on:** December 08, 2015, 03:29:05 am »

Quote from: Bigun on December 08, 2015, 03:28:27 am

No. I do not.

Is it because the idea is coming from Trump?

Carling · « **Reply #49 on:** December 08, 2015, 03:31:10 am »

Quote from: Bigun on December 08, 2015, 03:27:38 am

Yes I do. He seems to think he will be able to just rule by decree .

Where did he say this? I'm not a Trump supporter, but I'm not a mind-reader, either.

I know you're a Cruz guy, and I am now too, but they are basically playing bad cop (Trump)/good cop (Cruz) while playing outside of how "government works."